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Rank the B1G Coaches

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Izzo#1 (yech); CAM #5 in this ranking of B1G coaches. What is interesting is the lack of B1G experience in the current coaches. Wonder if the average years of coaching in the B1G is near a low point?

The level of coaching the the B1G took a turn down when Beilein left. He was challenging Izzo for #1 an in my opinion winning the challenge in the past few years.

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too many new coaches to do a ranking like this. Obvious why you posted this here, but I wont take the bait.
 
too many new coaches to do a ranking like this. Obvious why you posted this here, but I wont take the bait.
and you would be wrong. With Beilein, Ryan and Matta gone coaches moved up due to attrition not accomplishments. I posted it to point out the lack of accomplished coaches in the B1G. Although I am happy CMP is the coach at Purdue its kinda an indictment of the B1G coaches that a coach without a FF in 15 years would be rated #2.
 
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Good joke but I don't think the timing is very good, do you?
Obviously, I think it is. The timing is never bad when it comes to making fun of them.
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and you would be wrong. With Beilein, Ryan and Matta gone coaches moved up due to attrition not accomplishments. I posted it to point out the lack of accomplished coaches in the B1G. Although I am happy CMP is the coach at Purdue its kinda an indictment of the B1G coaches that a coach without a FF in 15 years would be rated #2.

Your a HS kid looking for a program besides MSU that will give you a chance to compete for a BT title and a chance to go to the sweet 16 each of your four years in college. Which COACH do you trust to accomplish this?

I think Painter is the only one that has earned that trust.

You are a betting man. You can pick one BT basketball program (excluding “State”) to put all your money on. The bet? highest conference winning percentage over the next 10 years. You are a data based risk adverse gambler. Which program do you bet on?

The B10 hasn’t won a title in almost 20 years. Izzo and MSU give our conference a shot every year. He’s as good at getting to the final four as anyone. But the rest of this list? Looks pretty awful to me.

I’d say that Painter had built the second best program in the B10. But, it probably isn’t a top 20 National program. There are other programs (Michigan, OSU, Wisky), that may be currently better programs, but they have question marks at the coaching position, coaches matter. PU basketball is a known commodity. Say all you want about their NCAA ceiling, but I’m betting on their floor with Painter as their coach. Especially in a league with so many coaching and program question marks.

What other program looks to make the tournament every year and compete against MSU? Maryland? I’ll put my money on the coach that does less with more and fade the guy that does less with all the talent. OSU? Seems to have a good young coach, on paper, for now. Wisky? Questions that will continue to become more pressing as they distance themselves from the Bo Era. Meechigan? Big time questions. Illinois/Iowa/Minny ? More questions, though I expect them to all be perennial BT MID tier programs. Nebraska/Rutgers/PSU/NU , are who they are until they prove they’re not.

Don’t misunderstand and confuse program with team. I’m not saying PUke doesn’t finish 10th this year. But it seems that Pu has a program right now that is stronger than the Keady years. Its Keady plus a solid chance at a sweet 16 every year. At least until They stumble. But, they keep exceeding my expectations.

Indiana? I’d say we have above a 75% chance of having 2 “good” seasons in a row. But, do we go 2-10 in the next 10 years for tourney bids? No idea. Is Miller even our coach in 2 years, I have no idea. If we have a coach that makes 9/10 NCAAs, has a few sweet 16s, a few top two conferences finishes over the next 10 years, there’s a good chance he’s retiring as our coach. Now, of course that could change, but I don’t believe the powers to be at IU (NOW) have expectations that are higher than that.

Looking at this list, it’s a pretty dumb list as 1-2 are obvious and the rest could have been pulled from a hat. Still, for IU fans it looks like good news / bad news.

(Bad) I will predict that if MSU doesn’t win it all, the conference is staring at another 20 year NC drought. On paper at least (I know, on paper doesn’t mean anything)

(Good). It’s a wide open conference. If Painter can build what I am arguing is currently the 2nd best program in the conference, surely Miller can do the same at IU. And maybe he can do it being half the coach that Painter has proven to be. In fact, I’d argue that there is no excuse if he doesn’t.
 
Painter would have put another banner up in Bloomington with the talent they have gotten over this time span. I would even argue he would have brought in even better talent.
And if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.

Painter has had plenty of opportunities to reach a FF and recruit better talent: it isn't impossible. The "big boys"' haven't exactly been tearing down Painter's door.
 
What an unimpressive list of coaches.

I expect Hoiberg and Howard to leapfrog up the rankings very quickly.

It’s tough knowing Holtmann was right in our backyard and we let him get away. We could be having their success right now. Very disappointing.
 
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What an unimpressive list of coaches.

I expect Hoiberg and Howard to leapfrog up the rankings very quickly.

It’s tough knowing Holtmann was right in our backyard and we let him get away. We could be having their success right now. Very disappointing.
No idea if Howard is a B1G caliber coach or just another former player who attempted to coach.
 
What an unimpressive list of coaches.

I expect Hoiberg and Howard to leapfrog up the rankings very quickly.

It’s tough knowing Holtmann was right in our backyard and we let him get away. We could be having their success right now. Very disappointing.
Let him get away? You're running on full tilt today.
 
What an unimpressive list of coaches.

I expect Hoiberg and Howard to leapfrog up the rankings very quickly.

It’s tough knowing Holtmann was right in our backyard and we let him get away. We could be having their success right now. Very disappointing.

Howard? Lol. Those NBA guys always suck man.
 
What an unimpressive list of coaches.

I expect Hoiberg and Howard to leapfrog up the rankings very quickly.

It’s tough knowing Holtmann was right in our backyard and we let him get away. We could be having their success right now. Very disappointing.

Their success isn’t that impressive. Not yet.
 
The B10 hasn’t won a title in almost 20 years. Izzo and MSU give our conference a shot every year. He’s as good at getting to the final four as anyone. But the rest of this list? Looks pretty awful to me.
(Bad) I will predict that if MSU doesn’t win it all, the conference is staring at another 20 year NC drought. On paper at least (I know, on paper doesn’t mean anything)


Hmmm. So if Izzo can't win it all this year, the entire conference is doomed for 2 decades? Interesting viewpoint.
 
True. But we know which one Archie is now.

We don't know what Archie is yet. Make the dance and win a game this season which I think is very reasonable given our roster and land a top 10 2021 class and I think he'll do well here for a while. Now if we miss the dance this season you'd be correct to start calling him Fredo. But not yet. I think we're going to have a good season and go up from there.
 
We don't know what Archie is yet. Make the dance and win a game this season which I think is very reasonable given our roster and land a top 10 2021 class and I think he'll do well here for a while. Now if we miss the dance this season you'd be correct to start calling him Fredo. But not yet. I think we're going to have a good season and go up from there.
Time will tell. We’re certainly not trending in the right direction though.
 
Penny Hardaway isn’t exactly struggling. Billy Donovan did ok. Same with Calipari. The bottom line is some have and some haven’t.

Lol Penny. Dude finished 5th in a shit conference last year and made the NIT with a record that was basically the same as the year prior and you're mentioning him in the same breath as Donovan and Calipari.

Last year you said Bryce Drew was kicking our ass in recruiting.

Is he still?
 
And if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.

Painter has had plenty of opportunities to reach a FF and recruit better talent: it isn't impossible. The "big boys"' haven't exactly been tearing down Painter's door.
Then again, Painter hasn’t been mentioned in the FBI investigations into the shoe companies and the way most of the “big boys” recruit.
 
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Hmmm. So if Izzo can't win it all this year, the entire conference is doomed for 2 decades? Interesting viewpoint.

No, that's not what I meant. If Izzo can't win it all (not just this season, but in general), who in the conference will?

I don't see the Big10 as doomed either way. The reality is that we are going on 20 years without a title for a B10 program. The conference wasn't doomed over those 20 years, it just failed to do what a number of other conferences could.

I am pretty confident that as long as Izzo is at State they will be a National Championship contender.

But, looking at the rest of the conference , I have no confidence. If the league couldn't do it with some pretty good coaches that are now gone, why should I expect them to do it in the future?

I'd feel better about the league's chances if the conference had EITHER
1. More than one elite program*
2. More than one elite coach.*

*assuming Izzo and State are both, which I suppose is debatable.

EDIT: here is a link I found that somewhat mirrors how I would rate the BT coaches on a National level. I would put Izzo somewhere around 5th Nationally, Painter solidly in the top 20, and everyone else (for now) much lower (way outside the top 20). The list has Izzo 2, Painter 14....and Miller as the next best in the league, at 38. I only glanced at the list, looking for BT coaches, so I am not saying its close to being accurate, but it does reflect how I feel about our conference. Things can change, obviously.

Ihttps://www.ranker.com/list/best-current-college-basketball-coaches/ranker-ncaa-basketball
 
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And if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.

Painter has had plenty of opportunities to reach a FF and recruit better talent: it isn't impossible. The "big boys"' haven't exactly been tearing down Painter's door.
And yet if Crean in his final 3 years had Painters record of the last 3 he would still be at IU.

And if CAM ends up this year with the same results Painter had in his first three years many will be happy.
 
And yet if Crean in his final 3 years had Painters record of the last 3 he would still be at IU.

And if CAM ends up this year with the same results Painter had in his first three years many will be happy.
Most of the IU fans I know (a lot of them don't post on this board) wanted Crean gone LONG before he was fired. He was held onto for too long because of Fred's ridiculous contract buyout.

Ultimately 1 elite 8 in 15 years isn't good enough for most of the IU fans that I know (including me). He would most likely have been run out of town at this point, especially considering that Fred touts final 4s and national championships as the ultimate goal.

That being said IU has a much higher ceiling than Purdue, so maybe Painter would've been to a final 4 by now if he was coaching here.
 
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Most of the IU fans I know (a lot of them don't post on this board) wanted Crean gone LONG before he was fired. He was held onto for too long because of Fred's ridiculous contract buyout.

Ultimately 1 elite 8 in 15 years isn't good enough for most of the IU fans that I know (including me). He would most likely have been run out of town at this point, especially considering that Fred touts final 4s and national championships as the ultimate goal.

That being said IU has a much higher ceiling than Purdue, so maybe Painter would've been to a final 4 by now if he was coaching here.
But he's not.
Even Mike Davis went to a NCAA National Championship game at IU.
 
I was just responding to his claim that Painter's results would be good enough for IU. They're not, bottom line.
You are correct. I agree with you.
Mike Davis did a great job getting IU to the Final Four, and to the National Championship game.
 
The Big Ten must have awful coaches if a guy with a 35-31 record and no NCAA tournament appearances is the fifth best coach. Fran McCaffery is much more proven than Archie at this level.
 
The Big Ten must have awful coaches if a guy with a 35-31 record and no NCAA tournament appearances is the fifth best coach. Fran McCaffery is much more proven than Archie at this level.
Best coach is not the same thing as most proven in the B1G. Archie proved more at Dayton that Fran has at Iowa.
 
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