I get it and agree. Only saying I am a fan of Beard.
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Woodson is 3-2 against Purdue’s best teams in history. Of course they want him out.
I want him out because I can't even talk smack with my IU buddies anymore. So many have become utterly apathetic about IU basketball and now college basketball because their team isn't worth the energy, money, and time to follow.
It would be one thing if a culture was being built and there was a path forward for IU, but Woodson doesn't have the age/time left in him to build that.
So, what is his strategy?
Roll the dice in the portal and hope to get Yahtzee! via NIL every year.
IU needs to recruit players who want to play for IU first and then pay them. It seems to have the inverse strategy, e.g., finding guys who want to get paid and then recruiting them.
There is a reason Woodson was successful with TJD. He was the former, and they kept him because they could pay him. And that got Woodson to 3-2 against Purdue. Are you honestly feeling confident about that streak continuing? Ballsy.
So him getting covid at the workout portion of the combine had zero to do with him staying? Does NIL not factor in on Edey? Such a baseless argument on why IU beat Purdue twice last year. So if PUke had IU money would they not go after talent?
Galloway's inconsistency is not due to a lack of effort. More from trying too hard.
Everyone in West Lafayette must love Mike Woodson. Oh no he pulled a few upsets that didn’t affect PU’s seasons at all.
They’re winning conference titles, winning big regular season games, and are in position to make deep tourney runs. They have hilariously choked in the tourney so far, but eventually they may not. IU isn’t competing for conf titles or anything in the tourney.
Back in the day we used to laugh at PU fans bragging about Keady’s record vs Knight. Now we do the same thing. It will be 3-3 for Woody vs PU after Saturday.
They’re winning conference titles, winning big regular season games, and are in position to make deep tourney runs. They have hilariously choked in the tourney so far, but eventually they may not. IU isn’t competing for conf titles or anything in the tourney.
Back in the day we used to laugh at PU fans bragging about Keady’s record vs Knight. Now we do the same thing. It will be 3-3 for Woody vs PU after Saturday.
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Dan said Galloway played mad like, "I am tired of losing" and others followed. He gave high praise to him. But he did say, "why don't you play like this every game?"
Match-ups and very inconsistent outside shooting. DD ought to understand that.
I don't think you understood my comment.
I think TJD stayed because
1) He liked IU. He was bought in to being a Hoosier first
2) He could get paid via NIL and thus didn't need to go pro to get cash for his skills.
Edey stayed for the same reasons as Purdue.
That's how NIL should be used.
And no I don't think Purdue would use NIL to just go buy talent.
It could have done that with Nijel Pack, and instead went and got David Jenkins last year and Lance Jones this year.
Purdue stacks players who want to be at Purdue first and foremost. It fills gaps (typically at max one a year) via the portal, but isn't going after recruits who are looking to simply get paid first.
It can pay recruits and transfers, but Purdue has no need to get in a bidding war for players.
Heck next season we can't take any transfers via the portal. Our roster is overfilled already with high school recruits who want to be Boilermakers.
No I understood what you wrote. NIL is being used as a recruiting tool and will be for the foreseeable future. Don’t think for a minute programs who don’t participate won’t in the future. Don’t act like Purdue won’t cross that road in the future. Also, don’t count your chickens just yet. When the NCAA loses these lawsuits many stable programs will go through some junk.
You definitely want to use NIL to initially recruit players and then keep them. Not just keep them.
Using NIL for recruiting is fine, that’s not why our roster is messed up.
Using NIL for recruiting is fine, that’s not why our roster is messed up.
Purdue can pay talent. It is. But it's not recruiting talent using NIL as the primary focus.
We have a whole team making a lot of money from NIL. We have the number 1 NIL store right now. Edey is reportedly making over seven figures this year. Players will get paid at Purdue.
Does IU have a bigger war chest? Cool. It always has. It's been overpaying coaches for 20 years. Now, it also gets to overpay its players too (in comparison to it's results).
What you pay doesn't mean you get a guaranteed return. But if it makes you feel good to to thump your chest about how much money IU can spend to buy talent and how great your NIL chest is have at it. But I'll guarantee you this, Purdue isn't going to be following IU down into that strategy. It will use NIL, but to enhance its current culture ... not buy it.
How is IU using NIL to buy culture?
IU is just making roster construction errors. We would be doing this with or without NIL.
IU has more NIL than Purdue. I don’t know why you need to be sensitive about it, it obviously doesn’t guarantee results. Duh. UK will always have more NIL than IU, is what it is.
Our hope is we somehow use our NIL well someday. Our ceiling is high if we ever figure it out.
IU is just making roster construction errors. We would be doing this with or without NIL.
IU has more NIL than Purdue. I don’t know why you need to be sensitive about it, it obviously doesn’t guarantee results. Duh. UK will always have more NIL than IU, is what it is.
Our hope is we somehow use our NIL well someday. Our ceiling is high if we ever figure it out.
Who’s thumping their chest? Most have 2 separate war chests. One to recruit and one to keep. You seem hell bent on the holier than thou stance. Hide and watch what happens on the NIL front. I’d bet money on PU using NIL like everyone else in the future. If you don’t think so then you are delusional.
if we were good it would be extremely close. Same redneck passion will mortgage the trailer to see their boys win.
Using NIL to recruit a roster full of transfers is the issue.
Embrace the culture of suck for a bit. Recruit really talented (or even less talented) high schoolers who want to be at IU. Pay them in the range that compares to others (e.g., you don't want recruits to pick IU because they can initially make more there... which leads you to get people chasing dollars only).
Breakout players will have plenty of money via the IU war chest. But inevitably, you'll have players that leave early for the NBA or get recruited over and decide that they want playing time somewhere else. That shouldn't be more than two (maybe three) a year. Fill in those gaps with another high school recruit or one maybe two transfers in.
It doesn't need to always be with a cast-off 5-star or a NIL-chaser from another P5 program. Find someone who wants to win and/or experience playing at a historic institution in the B1G. Give them a NIL check for doing so. Find talent that is transferring from an also-ran P5 team and wants to find a winning team (notably, this will be harder for IU right now, but in the long term, it shouldn't be).
Right now, IU has ONE high school commitment for the 2024 class. That's insane to me. The entire plan for next year rests on landing maybe one more possible high school recruit and then filling in everything else with transfers and the portal. Who knows... maybe it will work. But to me ... it sounds a lot like rolling the dice every April/May and hoping something can be piecemealed together. I don't know how you build a culture with that strategy.
But you don’t understand what you are seeing now vs what you will be seeing. The strategy is changing and it will take casualties with it. If PU keeps this strategy it may not always work. Thats what we are saying.
I’ve said a million times I don’t like our roster construction at all. So yea we want to build culture, but also have NIL capability to snag a top-10 recruit that fits the culture and who realistically isn’t going to go somewhere for a huge discount. Recruits wanting market rate NIL aren’t all mercenaries.
Actually IU has lost a few already because of demands. It’s not all about just buying players. Definitely an art to it.
Genuinely asking, what are the real expectations for IU football? Is it just get to bowl games consistently or is it more than that?
Agreed. I hope that Purdue somehow actually uses NIL in the future to convince players to come to Purdue…not sure if the administration will understand that though.
I can’t speak for everyone but any sort of bowl game most seasons, being competitive (like some upsets at home sometimes), and filling up the stadium/generating more revenue would be great. We are one of the worst D1 programs historically and I think people are reasonable in expectations.
Getting out of the B1G East will be great. Tired of playing three mega programs.
You don’t. You do not build a winning culture that way.
I don’t know. I think being cautious and letting the Tennessee’s of the world fight those battles might be ok. At some point you will eventually have to use it.
I’m not sure. Realistically I’m just ready for 6-8 wins and just having a chance. Top 8 in conference maybe with a break through season once in awhile. Who knows.
I hear ya. Purdue is in the same boat. Going to be even tougher to compete with the Pac 12 teams coming over. Hard to get excited for football…I got lucky with the Tiller teams/Brees/Orton…I don’t think it’ll ever be like that again.
I remember watching that first season and seeing that spread offense and saying…they will kill us. Took the B1G by surprise. Tiller was the real deal. Kentucky and the mummy years too. Changed college football. Made less talented teams look way better than they were.
Tiller was lucky he had Billy Dicken as QB his first year - experience guy who wasn't spectacular, but he could manage a game.
Then Drew Brees came along. Tiller was very fortunate with QBs his first years there.
He recruited Brees…so I think Tiller had a pretty good eye on who was going to work in his system.
Yes, I know he recruited Brees, but I don't think even Tiller realized how good he'd be.
IIRC, Brees didn't have many offers. Think I remember an Ivy League school in the mix somewhere.
He was a solid BIG QB and second best player in the state his SR year. Tiller used him perfectly. His ability and career really exploded once he hit NOLA
The thing that’s hard for me to understand is his shot. Last game his free throw form looked great and he made them. His shot from three looked much better.
How can a kid who’s been in the gym since he could walk still have a jump shot and free throw shot changing game to game?
Ha, it’s a great mystery. Especially being in Indiana where everyone learns how to shoot.
I’d add Cupps’ weird floaty form despite all his practice (breakfast club…) as something else that baffles me. How has no one been able to help him get the basics down? It’s a bummer.
Fun fact: Brees's Texas high school coach was the father of our own Jay Rodgers, QB at his HS before Brees.
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