Purdue and Wilton Speight injury...

[I loved lucys]

What a pathetic clownshow Purdue is. A real first rate operation they run up there. The way Speight was treated was inexcusable.

Michigan's doctor really dropped the ball at multiple spots along the way, and Purdue's shortcomings made his inexcusable errors even worse.

Reminiscent of IU's multiple instances of ridiculously poor medical treatment experienced by student athletes across several sports under the current AD's leadership, with known malfeasance in at least three varsity sports. You would hope that the problems with UM, PU and IU would cause all Big Ten AD's to come together in a concerted way to better protect the student-athletes.

 

[Bowlmania]

Michigan's doctor really dropped the ball at multiple spots along the way, and Purdue's shortcomings made his inexcusable errors even worse.

Reminiscent of IU's multiple instances of ridiculously poor medical treatment experienced by student athletes across several sports under the current AD's leadership, with known malfeasance in at least three varsity sports. You would hope that the problems with UM, PU and IU would cause all Big Ten AD's to come together in a concerted way to better protect the student-athletes.

Too funny, ewezrfan. In typical fashion, you're either unwilling or unable to refrain from taking a shot at IU even when the case being discussed has absolutely nothing to do with IU. I still haven't figured out whether your contempt for IU is based on something real or imagined, but I lean toward the latter.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Article:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...-handled-poorly-purdue-father-says/107045682/

Here is what Purdue's visitor locker room looks like:

http://www.jconline.com/story/sport...rity-most-big-ten-football-coaches/716848001/

Current IU equipment supply letter (x-ray available in training room):

IU visitor locker room:

IU medical facility starting next summer (more x-ray/MRI equipment available, located directly next to visitor locker room):

http://iuhoosiers.com/news/2017/4/1...thletics-excellence-academy.aspx?path=general

“The Irsay Family Wellness Clinic will aid in the physical and mental well-being of the nearly 650 students that participate in 24 varsity sports at Indiana. It will house exam rooms, x-ray machines, procedure rooms, physician offices, sports psychologist offices, a nutrition office and a consultation room.”

The Excellence Academy, the new medical facilities and the SABOR really will set IU apart in all 24 sports. Kudos to Glass and staff for the vision, the fundraising, and the execution.

 

[I loved lucys]

Too funny, ewezrfan. In typical fashion, you're either unwilling or unable to refrain from taking a shot at IU even when the case being discussed has absolutely nothing to do with IU. I still haven't figured out whether your contempt for IU is based on something real or imagined, but I lean toward the latter.

I was simply pointing out the glaring hypocrisy of IU fans ripping on Purdue and Michigan on the heels of the medical treatment transgressions in Bloomington. Would think even someone like you would be capable of recognizing how foolish it is to piously rip any other school when IU's house was so horribly out of order. And my only contempt is for people who ignore the truth, something you seem to do with impugnity.

 

[boiler1987]

What a pathetic clownshow Purdue is. A real first rate operation they run up there. The way Speight was treated was inexcusable.

So you don’t place any blame on UM’s medical staff? You’re right though. It’s inexcusable that Purdue made Speight walk off the field instead of on a stretcher.

 

[boiler1987]

It is getting worse. Barstool just awarded Purdue their Hardo of the year for demanding an insurance card before they would do the X-Ray.

Really don’t think this will end up being a big deal at all. Michigan had to try to deflect attention away from their losses I guess. If they’re undefeated, my guess is they don’t make a stink about this.

 

[td75]

Boiler, you're a mouth piece for Purdue, a homer, a biased fan that's incapable of making an intelligent, logical, and rational idea about this embarrassing Purdue saga....

 

[Indianaftw]

I was simply pointing out the glaring hypocrisy of IU fans ripping on Purdue and Michigan on the heels of the medical treatment transgressions in Bloomington. Would think even someone like you would be capable of recognizing how foolish it is to piously rip any other school when IU's house was so horribly out of order. And my only contempt is for people who ignore the truth, something you seem to do with impugnity.

Dilly Dilly

 

[boiler1987]

Boiler, you're a mouth piece for Purdue, a homer, a biased fan that's incapable of making an intelligent, logical, and rational idea about this embarrassing Purdue saga....

I agree that some of our facilities need to be improved and they will be. But Michigan is absolutely to blame too. Their medical staff looks completely incompetent. Not sure why you can’t see that.

Embarrassing? This will blow over in no time. I’m guessing you think this hurts Purdue in recruiting?

 

[IUgradman]

I agree that some of our facilities need to be improved and they will be. But Michigan is absolutely to blame too. Their medical staff looks completely incompetent. Not sure why you can’t see that.

Embarrassing? This will blow over in no time. I’m guessing you think this hurts Purdue in recruiting?

What is sick and deranged about you is how your only concern is the public relations fallout and its effect on Purdue's recruiting, not the fact that someone's health was endangered because of your school's pathetic incompetence.

 

[IUgradman]

Boiler, you're a mouth piece for Purdue, a homer, a biased fan that's incapable of making an intelligent, logical, and rational idea about this embarrassing Purdue saga....

And an obsessive creep who stalks multiple IU message boards simultaneously. The police need to put it on a watchlist.

 

[boiler1987]

What is sick and deranged about you is how your only concern is the public relations fallout and its effect on Purdue's recruiting, not the fact that someone's health was endangered because of your school's pathetic incompetence.

Our school decided to have him walk off the field and not go on a stretcher? Endangered? You act like it was some serious injury. If it was so serious, UM medical staff would’ve had him on a board and taken to a hospital in an ambulance. He will likely play in a few weeks. Doesn’t sound like anything was endangered because if so, UM’s doctors should be sued for malpractice.

 

[IUgradman]

Creep because I post on multiple message boards? Not sure why you have such a problem with me. I can have civilied conversations with other iu fans but apparently not with you.

A creep because you post on multiple INDIANA message boards. Most fans are more interested in their own teams, but not you. Let me explain to everyone this troll's schtick: they scour IU message boards for any critical mention of Purdue then chime in to defend their alma mater. Newsflash- expect criticism of Purdue on an IU message board. You don't see me creating accounts on Purdue message boards to defend IU whenever a PUke criticizes it. That is because I am a normal, well adjusted human being who is not obsessed with a rival school.

Seek help, kid.

 

[boiler1987]

A creep because you post on multiple INDIANA message boards. Most fans are more interested in their own teams, but not you. Let me explain to everyone this troll's schtick: they scour IU message boards for any critical mention of Purdue then chime in to defend their alma mater. Newsflash- expect criticism of Purdue on an IU message board. You don't see me creating accounts on Purdue message boards to defend IU whenever a PUke criticizes it. That is because I am a normal, well adjusted human being who is not obsessed with a rival school.

Seek help, kid.

I’m good but thanks for the advice. Care to respond to my other comment about Michigan’s gross incompetence?

 

[IUgradman]

I’m good but thanks for the advice. Care to respond to my other comment about Michigan’s gross incompetence?

Many people with severe psychological issues are in denial about it so I am not surpised that you say you are "good."

Care to comment on the litany of inexcusable incompetencies by Purdue and the local hospital?

 

[JohnsyRick]

A creep because you post on multiple INDIANA message boards. Most fans are more interested in their own teams, but not you. Let me explain to everyone this troll's schtick: they scour IU message boards for any critical mention of Purdue then chime in to defend their alma mater. Newsflash- expect criticism of Purdue on an IU message board. You don't see me creating accounts on Purdue message boards to defend IU whenever a PUke criticizes it. That is because I am a normal, well adjusted human being who is not obsessed with a rival school.

Seek help, kid.

‘87 is ok, he’s actually a very reasonable poster (unlike many of the jackasses at gbi, good luck having a reasonable discussion over there !)
I do think that while PU should be shouldering more of the blame than they seem willing to do, UM’s medical people are also to blame. Bottom line, hopefully this incident results in a league wide standard so no athlete pays a price for neglect in the future.

 

[boiler1987]

‘87 is ok, he’s actually a very reasonable poster (unlike many of the jackasses at gbi, good luck having a reasonable discussion over there !)
I do think that while PU should be shouldering more of the blame than they seem willing to do, UM’s medical people are also to blame. Bottom line, hopefully this incident results in a league wide standard so no athlete pays a price for neglect in the future.

I definitely agree regarding the league wide standard. I take issue with the fact that UM isn’t taking an ounce of blame here which is ridiculous. Both sides are to blame. There are numerous pictures of Speight walking off the field. How did UM let that happen if they knew initially that it could be neck/spinal injury? That’s 100% on UM not Purdue.

 

[boiler1987]

Many people with severe psychological issues are in denial about it so I am not surpised that you say you are "good."

Care to comment on the litany of inexcusable incompetencies by Purdue and the local hospital?

Posting on rivals board equals severe psychological issues? Got it.

I’ll comment on those when you admit UM’s medical staff made some really bad decisions.

 

[IUgradman]

Posting on rivals board equals severe psychological issues? Got it.

I’ll comment on those when you admit UM’s medical staff made some really bad decisions.

Yes, scouring multiple IU message boards to comment on any criticism of Purdue is not normal.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Michigan's doctor really dropped the ball at multiple spots along the way, and Purdue's shortcomings made his inexcusable errors even worse.

Reminiscent of IU's multiple instances of ridiculously poor medical treatment experienced by student athletes across several sports under the current AD's leadership, with known malfeasance in at least three varsity sports. You would hope that the problems with UM, PU and IU would cause all Big Ten AD's to come together in a concerted way to better protect the student-athletes.

Any "mistreatment" of athletes medically at IU had nothing to do with equipment. This whole complaint raised by Michigan involved the facilities and medical devices available. IU does not have any issue with medical equipment, which is what this is about.

There were complaints by athletes regarding treatment regimen made by trainers but that has nothing to do with adequate medical equipment, which is what this whole ordeal was about.

 

[JohnsyRick]

I definitely agree regarding the league wide standard. I take issue with the fact that UM isn’t taking an ounce of blame here which is ridiculous. Both sides are to blame. There are numerous pictures of Speight walking off the field. How did UM let that happen if they knew initially that it could be neck/spinal injury? That’s 100% on UM not Purdue.

I think I said that UM shares blame in this, and I agree with you on that. At the same time, maybe they have and I haven’t seen it, but I don’t think PU has stepped up and admitted their facilities and handling of the situation should have been better.
In my view, it is water under the bridge at this point we just have to hope it leads to positive changes league wide.

 

[boiler1987]

Any "mistreatment" of athletes medically at IU had nothing to do with equipment. This whole complaint raised by Michigan involved the facilities and medical devices available. IU does not have any issue with medical equipment, which is what this is about.

There were complaints by athletes regarding treatment regimen made by trainers but that has nothing to do with adequate medical equipment, which is what this whole ordeal was about.

Again, I ask why did they have him walk off the field if they were so concerned about his safety?

 

[JohnsyRick]

Again, I ask why did they have him walk off the field if they were so concerned about his safety?

I don’t think BRCB was responding to you

 

[boiler1987]

I think I said that UM shares blame in this, and I agree with you on that. At the same time, maybe they have and I haven’t seen it, but I don’t think PU has stepped up and admitted their facilities and handling of the situation should have been better.
In my view, it is water under the bridge at this point we just have to hope it leads to positive changes league wide.

Not sure but yeah I agree it hopefully will lead to positive changes. I just think this story makes it seem like it’s all on Purdue which isn’t right. Once the facility updates are completed, this hopefully won’t ever be a problem. Maybe this allows us to make upgrades even quicker which would be nice. I agree Purdue didn’t handle this as well as they could’ve (the driver was a problem and how long it took) but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that it didn’t appear to be a true emergency due to how UM’s medical staff treated him on the field. Based on him walking off the field, I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed he should’ve needed an ambulance but now after the fact, they say yes he should’ve? Hmm

 

[boiler1987]

I don’t think BRCB was responding to you

Ahh my mistake.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Again, I ask why did they have him walk off the field if they were so concerned about his safety?

I honestly think that Speight himself admitted some responsibility in that. He clearly was quoted as saying that he didn't "think it was as bad as it was." These type of scenarios always involve some dialogue with the trainers and player on the turf and possibly was asked if he could walk off and he acknowledged. He later stated he couldn't imagine that he had three broken vertebrae. I mean, doctors and trainers sometimes have to rely on the verbal cues from the player. The player thinks he can walk it off without the cart and the doctors have to evaluate whether they think it is okay to do so.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

...Say in your best Allen Iverson impression:

“We talk’n boilers? Boilers? We talk’n bout Boilers? On a Friday night before B10 game? On an IU Board?

I petition the safe room police to please remove all “likes” and posts that count in the “Total Messages” count of those participants in this thread......sacrilege

 

[boiler1987]

I honestly think that Speight himself admitted some responsibility in that. He clearly was quoted as saying that he didn't "think it was as bad as it was." These type of scenarios always involve some dialogue with the trainers and player on the turf and possibly was asked if he could walk off and he acknowledged. He later stated he couldn't imagine that he had three broken vertebrae. I mean, doctors and trainers sometimes have to rely on the verbal cues from the player. The player thinks he can walk it off without the cart and the doctors have to evaluate whether they think it is okay to do so.

Yeah that makes sense. I guess it’s really the doctor’s call there.

 

[JohnsyRick]

Not sure but yeah I agree it hopefully will lead to positive changes. I just think this story makes it seem like it’s all on Purdue which isn’t right. Once the facility updates are completed, this hopefully won’t ever be a problem. Maybe this allows us to make upgrades even quicker which would be nice. I agree Purdue didn’t handle this as well as they could’ve (the driver was a problem and how long it took) but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that it didn’t appear to be a true emergency due to how UM’s medical staff treated him on the field. Based on him walking off the field, I don’t think anyone would’ve guessed he should’ve needed an ambulance but now after the fact, they say yes he should’ve? Hmm

Well, I do think you might be overly focused on him walking off the field, it obviously became apparent he needed to go to a hospital for further tests/X-ray/mri and it seems an ambulance is in order at that point. Just because there wasn’t immediate concern on the field doesn’t mean the MD isn’t allowed to change his view after further evaluation. It also seems there would be police escort etc , but again, all that said does not let UM off the hook for their part in this, they could have demanded an ambulance from the start I suppose.

 

[boiler1987]

Well, I do think you might be overly focused on him walking off the field, it obviously became apparent he needed to go to a hospital for further tests/X-ray/mri and it seems an ambulance is in order at that point. Just because there wasn’t immediate concern on the field doesn’t mean the MD isn’t allowed to change his view after further evaluation. It also seems there would be police escort etc , but again, all that said does not let UM off the hook for their part in this, they could have demanded an ambulance from the start I suppose.

Yeah that’s a good point. But to my knowledge, I don’t believe UM or their staff ever requested an ambulance you know? It was a weird situation but yeah it’ll blow over in no time.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Hey, Mike Leach locked kids in a dark janitor closet to recover from concussions and migraines.

He's flying high now. This is Harbaugh making another one of his "I've got something to say" appearances for media time.

 

[boiler1987]

Hey, Mike Leach locked kids in a dark janitor closet to recover from concussions and migraines.

He's flying high now. This is Harbaugh making another one of his "I've got something to say" appearances for media time.

Hit the nail on the head right there.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Really don’t think this will end up being a big deal at all. Michigan had to try to deflect attention away from their losses I guess. If they’re undefeated, my guess is they don’t make a stink about this.

Given the number of news outlets and social media running with this...it already is a big deal. It seemed to have died but got new life again the last couple of days.

Like I said, i doubt this is completely fair especially given the way UMs trainers handled him and it will go away. Recall IU had a SA care situation not long ago with a female Crew member being completely mishandled. That was on ESPN along with some of the Wilson abuse nonsense. IU fired Wilson and I assume addressed the other training protocols. These things pass as long as somebody makes some improvements.

 

[I loved lucys]

Any "mistreatment" of athletes medically at IU had nothing to do with equipment. This whole complaint raised by Michigan involved the facilities and medical devices available. IU does not have any issue with medical equipment, which is what this is about.

There were complaints by athletes regarding treatment regimen made by trainers but that has nothing to do with adequate medical equipment, which is what this whole ordeal was about.

You're right, IU's issues were rooted in the incompetence of trainers and physicians, a far more serious concern. Thanks for pointing that out and sharing the concerns that all friends of IU have regarding those sorry situations.

 

[Bowlmania]

something you seem to do with impugnity.

If you're going to insult someone, it's more effective if you use an actual word. It's "impunity," Einstein.

 

[I loved lucys]

If you're going to insult someone, it's more effective if you use an actual word. It's "impunity," Einstein.

It actually shows up in dictionaries spelled both ways, but if you feel a little better because of it, that's fine. I find it amusing that you considered it an insult, a very clear admission that the truth does scare you. Not surprising and brave of you to admit. And we'd never call you "Einstein" in a football discussion, would we?

 

[RBB89]

Any "mistreatment" of athletes medically at IU had nothing to do with equipment. This whole complaint raised by Michigan involved the facilities and medical devices available. IU does not have any issue with medical equipment, which is what this is about.

There were complaints by athletes regarding treatment regimen made by trainers but that has nothing to do with adequate medical equipment, which is what this whole ordeal was about.

No kidding. And besides, many people were appalled with the KW/trainers stuff, including me. I was especially pissed at the trainer that screwed over the member of the rowing team. That was pathetic.

But those issues seem to have been addressed, and the investment in medical facilities is tremendous. I applaud them for that.

 

[IUgradman]

PUke fans care more about the potential negative PR of this story than the story itself- a player's safety and well being were jeopardized by the incompetence of Purdue University. This shows the type of awful people Purdue fans are.

 

[I loved lucys]

PUke fans care more about the potential negative PR of this story than the story itself- a player's safety and well being were jeopardized by the incompetence of Purdue University. This shows the type of awful people Purdue fans are.

IUgradman would rather ignore facts than to have a serious discussion regarding a player's medical issue, all because (and only because) he hates Purdue. This shows the shallow nature of IUgradman.

 

[Bowlmania]

It actually shows up in dictionaries spelled both ways, but if you feel a little better because of it, that's fine. I find it amusing that you considered it an insult, a very clear admission that the truth does scare you. Not surprising and brave of you to admit. And we'd never call you "Einstein" in a football discussion, would we?

My objective, in this little exchange, was to establish that you are, in fact, ewezrfan, bobsnotbucks, kern county, helen dell and various other incarnations that were previously banned. Thanks for taking the bait and proving my case.