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I’m not even sure that’s the case. The “kinder, gentler” Catholic Church reformists have been hard at work for decades while church attendance continues to decline. Pandering to progressives and balking on long held beliefs is not the way to win more congregants. Only the more “Conservative” parishes are seeing any growth.
 
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I’m not even sure that’s the case. The “kinder, gentler” Catholic Church reformists have been hard at work for decades while church attendance continues to decline. Pandering to progressives and balking on long held beliefs is not the way to win more congregants. Only the more “Conservative” parishes are seeing any growth.
Are you questioning papal supremacy or primacy?
 
I’m not even sure that’s the case. The “kinder, gentler” Catholic Church reformists have been hard at work for decades while church attendance continues to decline. Pandering to progressives and balking on long held beliefs is not the way to win more congregants. Only the more “Conservative” parishes are seeing any growth.
Wow. A “kinder, gentler” approach taken by an organization that was founded by Jesus Christ. What’s this world coming to?
 
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I’m not even sure that’s the case. The “kinder, gentler” Catholic Church reformists have been hard at work for decades while church attendance continues to decline. Pandering to progressives and balking on long held beliefs is not the way to win more congregants. Only the more “Conservative” parishes are seeing any growth.
I think what you've written here misses the core theme of Catholicism, but that's not necessarily a knock on you. I think it's been missed for awhile by Church leadership. The word 'catholic' means 'universal' or 'all-inclusive.' And given the belief that the Catholic Church is the church St. Peter started at Jesus' directive, I feel like truly being all-inclusive is in line with Christ's teachings.

Turning away people and rigidly embracing only the conservative Catholics is a sure way to drive people out of he Church, even if at you say, conservative parishes are the ones seeing growth. That short-sighted, circle-the-wagons approach won't bode well for the Church in the foreseeable future.
 
Wow. A “kinder, gentler” approach taken by an organization that was founded by Jesus Christ. What’s this world coming to?
Isn't that wild?

Sometimes I don't know how church goers reconcile the 'we don't serve your kind here' mentality with what they hear in Church weekly.
 
I think what you've written here misses the core theme of Catholicism, but that's not necessarily a knock on you. I think it's been missed for awhile by Church leadership. The word 'catholic' means 'universal' or 'all-inclusive.' And given the belief that the Catholic Church is the church St. Peter started at Jesus' directive, I feel like truly being all-inclusive is in line with Christ's teachings.

Turning away people and rigidly embracing only the conservative Catholics is a sure way to drive people out of he Church, even if at you say, conservative parishes are the ones seeing growth. That short-sighted, circle-the-wagons approach won't bode well for the Church in the foreseeable future.
Not a criticism of you because you’re just quoting the other poster, but where’s the evidence that only “conservative “ parishes are experiencing growth, and what does “conservative” even mean in this context? In contrasting the ideology within the church, a more accurate distinction is between those who embrace doctrinal orthodoxy and those who take a more gospel-centric approach.
 
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Not a criticism of you because you’re just quoting the other poster, but where’s the evidence that only “conservative “ parishes are experiencing growth, and what does “conservative” even mean in this context? In contrasting the ideology within the church, a more accurate distinction is between those who embrace doctrinal orthodoxy and those who take a more gospel-centric approach.
That's actually a good question. I sort of just took the post I was replying to at it's word on that, but you've brought up good questions. I like your distinctions better than 'conservative' and 'liberal' in this case.
 
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Vatican playing the long game, lulling everyone to sleep so they let down their guard

nobody expects GIF
 
Some nuance... they aren't blessing the union, accepting it as a marriage, or recognizing gay marriage as acceptable. They are saying the individuals can be blessed, despite what the church considers to be ungodly behavior.
 
Not a criticism of you because you’re just quoting the other poster, but where’s the evidence that only “conservative “ parishes are experiencing growth, and what does “conservative” even mean in this context? In contrasting the ideology within the church, a more accurate distinction is between those who embrace doctrinal orthodoxy and those who take a more gospel-centric approach.
On a local level in Bloomington St. Charles is conservative and St Paul is liberal. Big difference in the way the homily is given. St Paul also has like 6 priests to St. Charles one, and he's an ex marine.

I would say St. Charles has seen an uptick in attendance where St. Paul has seen a decline in the last few years.
 
Some nuance... they aren't blessing the union, accepting it as a marriage, or recognizing gay marriage as acceptable. They are saying the individuals can be blessed, despite what the church considers to be ungodly behavior.
We all understand that buster brown. You aren’t informing anyone of anything.

It’s the first step.

Catholicism has been bastardized and distilled by Democrats into “Love everyone for who they are and don’t pass judgement”.

I’ve had about enough of it. The Jesuits are mostly to blame with their soft peddled bullshit. The University of Notre Dame and Georgetown University are no different from the Marxists ideologues you saw on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago.
 
Catholicism now means abandon all moral and ideological standards in favor of “being nice”. Whatever the hell that means. But don’t make any value judgements on people’s actions. God forbid.
 
We all understand that buster brown. You aren’t informing anyone of anything.

It’s the first step.

Catholicism has been bastardized and distilled by Democrats into “Love everyone for who they are and don’t pass judgement”.

I’ve had about enough of it. The Jesuits are mostly to blame with their soft peddled bullshit. The University of Notre Dame and Georgetown University are no different from the Marxists ideologues you saw on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago.
Insanely provincial attitude you have there to blame the whopping 3% of Catholics who are Democrats.
 
We all understand that buster brown. You aren’t informing anyone of anything.

It’s the first step.

Catholicism has been bastardized and distilled by Democrats into “Love everyone for who they are and don’t pass judgement”.

I’ve had about enough of it. The Jesuits are mostly to blame with their soft pedaled bullshit. The University of Notre Dame and Georgetown University are no different from the Marxists ideologues you saw on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago.
You seem like a serious Catholic. How do you square your feelings on this with your faith’s tenant that what comes from the Pope is as if from Christ himself?
 
You seem like a serious Catholic. How do you square your feelings on this with your faith’s tenant that what comes from the Pope is as if from Christ himself?
It's always humorous to see Catholics second guess the Pope. I mean, he's only God's Representative on Earth. Profane 28 year-old convicted fence jumpers are obviously in closer harmony with the Almighty.
 
It's always humorous to see Catholics second guess the Pope. I mean, he's only God's Representative on Earth. Profane 28 year-old convicted fence jumpers are obviously in closer harmony with the Almighty.
He’s a soft minded populist.

He adverts Catholicism as a good, party fun time while never mentioning any of its strictures.

I hate him. And Jesus would too.
 
I think what you've written here misses the core theme of Catholicism, but that's not necessarily a knock on you. I think it's been missed for awhile by Church leadership. The word 'catholic' means 'universal' or 'all-inclusive.' And given the belief that the Catholic Church is the church St. Peter started at Jesus' directive, I feel like truly being all-inclusive is in line with Christ's teachings.

Turning away people and rigidly embracing only the conservative Catholics is a sure way to drive people out of he Church, even if at you say, conservative parishes are the ones seeing growth. That short-sighted, circle-the-wagons approach won't bode well for the Church in the foreseeable future.
All-inclusive is definitely not in line with Christ’s teachings
 
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It's always humorous to see Catholics second guess the Pope. I mean, he's only God's Representative on Earth. Profane 28 year-old convicted fence jumpers are obviously in closer harmony with the Almighty.
Come on! You know Farva is smarter and knows more than anyone on here about every single topic. He tells us that daily. Is it really a surprise he knows more about Catholicism than the Pope?
 
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He’s a soft minded populist.

He adverts Catholicism as a good, party fun time while never mentioning any of its strictures.

I hate him. And Jesus would too.
Check that….he even knows what Jesus thinks. The man knows all. Just ask him. Lol
 
I’m not even sure that’s the case. The “kinder, gentler” Catholic Church reformists have been hard at work for decades while church attendance continues to decline. Pandering to progressives and balking on long held beliefs is not the way to win more congregants. Only the more “Conservative” parishes are seeing any growth.

I'm not a PR guy by trade or anything like that, but I wonder if the rape and molestation
of thousands of kids, the cover up, and the subsequent use of donations for legal defenses hurt parishioner #s?

again, I'm not an expert....
 
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I'm not a PR guy by trade or anything like that, but I wonder if the rape and molestation
of thousands of kids, the cover up, and the subsequent use of donations for legal defenses hurt parishioner #s?

again, I'm not an expert....
Well now that’s a good point. But where we really draw the line is if we can’t discriminate against gay people.
 
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You seem like a serious Catholic. How do you square your feelings on this with your faith’s tenant that what comes from the Pope is as if from Christ himself?
Papal infallibility is a lot more complicated than that. Most of what the Pope says is subject to the same errors as any other human. IANACL, but I do not believe what he issued today places any requirement on any Catholic to believe or subscribe to any new doctrine.
 
Papal infallibility is a lot more complicated than that. Most of what the Pope says is subject to the same errors as any other human. IANACL, but I do not believe what he issued today places any requirement on any Catholic to believe or subscribe to any new doctrine.
I don’t think as a Catholic you have the ability to admit a Pope is in error.

ETA: with respect to biblical teaching, church doctrine
 
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I'm not surprised it went over Farva's head, but I'm disappointed in you, snarl and Spartans. Perhaps you guys are suffering from a bit of provincialism, as well?
I was just asking a question not related to the op. Someone had told me there was a change in the Catholic Church in the 60s. Some churches didn’t go along with whatever the change was. I thought you might know what it was.
 
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