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Politico: Roe to be overturned per draft opinion

Should abortion be legal at the point where the baby can feel pain?
Wait a sec.

Your colleagues have been claiming their opponents want abortions up to the day before birth. Which is it?

You guys should coordinate your exaggerated hyperbole better.
 
I think most Americans really don't care about abortion. At least not enough to get involved in any way. So they try to settle on something that sounds least offensive, which is the compromise you are talking about.

But it's doomed to failure, because the compromise makes no sense. If the anti-abortion activists are right, then abortion needs to be banned. If the abortion rights activists are right, then abortion decisions need to be left to the woman. Saying that abortion is okay up to a point, and not okay after that, has no logical underpinning. As evidence, we have the impending toppling of Roe, which fundamentally assumed that such a point must exist, and that this point was the point around which to balance the various interests and find that elusive compromise.

What's the most common opinion people you know have about abortion? I've never done a survey, but I can answer easily: "I don't agree with it, but it's ultimately up to the woman." Almost everyone I know would agree with a statement like that. But the statement makes no sense. Rephrase that a bit, and it says, "I don't agree with murder, but it's ultimately up to the murderer."

Anyway, what I'm really saying is the "common sense" approach to abortion lacks any actual sense, and that's why it's doomed. Someone will win. I suspect it will be the anti-abortion activists who eventually come out on top.
It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?

I think the most likely result in the next few years is that it will be left up to the states. At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if the federal government passed some sort of national guideline as I described.
 
It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?

I think the most likely result in the next few years is that it will be left up to the states. At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if the federal government passed some sort of national guideline as I described.
I guess we'll just have to wait a few years to see who comes closer to the mark.
 
There is a middle line, viability. One can find abortion before viability acceptable and not after.
Let me also add that I don't see how the viability line can have a strong logical underpinning. Saying a fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb is not the same as saying the fetus deserves rights, which as I indicated above is where I think this is all heading eventually.
 
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Substantive Due Process is a legitimate legal principle, and it has been used sparingly: get over it. It solved the issue as well as possible.

Roe was a compromise, and viability is towards the end of the 2nd trimester: close enough.
Once again, the USSC isn't supposed to rule based on polls and also, does it matter now? They appear to be overturning Roe and it will be up to the states. By the way, I've heard and read numerous constitutional scholar opinions recently, liberal and conservative, and it seems nearly unanimous that Roe was always on shaky ground. It probably never should have happened, and we could be done with this argument by now.
 
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I’ll pass. I don’t need to waste 90 minutes of my life on more crazy.
What are you afraid of?

Think you'll be brainwashed? Afraid you might discover some inconvenient facts?

Don't be afraid to open your mind to learn new things. Teachers are supposed to encourage that sort of thing.
 
I think you're being naive. The problem wasn't that the courts imposed their will on the states. The problem was that any abortions at all were allowed.

Prediction: Anti-abortion activists will shortly be finding a vehicle to argue that fetuses deserve 14th Amendment protections under the Constitution, and ask the courts to impose their will on all the states, effectively banning abortion nationwide by judicial fiat. Suddenly, they won't have any problem with law imposed by unelected judges.
Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.
 
Let me also add that I don't see how the viability line can have a strong logical underpinning. Saying a fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb is not the same as saying the fetus deserves rights, which as I indicated above is where I think this is all heading eventually.
A baby who can survive outside the womb doesn't deserve rights?

What kind of goul are you?
 
Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.
That morality of being against killing of inncocents is a bad thing to you then.
 
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Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.
Nonsense. That would be a weak campaign supported by a small minority in every state.
 
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Once again, the USSC isn't supposed to rule based on polls and also, does it matter now? They appear to be overturning Roe and it will be up to the states. By the way, I've heard and read numerous constitutional scholar opinions later, liberal and conservative, and it seems nearly unanimous that Roe was always on shaky ground. It probably never should have happened, and we could be done with this argument by now.
I went to law school, and Roe v. Wade and Casey were taught in multiple classes. Many of my law professors were just fine with Roe v. Wade and Casey. Originalism isn't the only theory of interpretation, and conservatives tend to favor this theory.

The argument will never be over with, and Roe did nothing to prevent the argument from being settled. If Roe v. Wade is thrown out, you will see that there will be 50 different ways of dealing with abortion: this doesn't settle anything.
 
Same offer to you, Zeke.

What are you afraid of?

@TommyCracker is predictably silent on my offer.
Appreciate the offer but I was able to find streams of it so, you can stop giving D'Sousa your money.

I started it to make sure it was the program. The only surprise was his tone. I figured it would be fire and brimstone rally cries but, at least at the start, he was asking questions. Not like how Tucker asks questions which are dripping with rhetorical sleaze and heavy winks....so I was pleased with that.

I'll get to it eventually but going to finish up Yellowstone first.

That being said, the movie was completely debunked immediately after it was released.

Basically for the same reasons every republican judge laughed it out of court....the evidence is extremely weak.

Mainly the big 'ah ha' is using cellphone tracking data, which isn't precise enough to hold up in court.

Secondly it's based on if a cell phone number drove by a ballot drop box ten times in a month. Ummm drop boxes are placed in areas of convenience, like near places that people go to.

So ask yourself, when a person goes by a drop box ten times in a month is it because they are getting coffee? Going to the bank? Going to work? Or they are secret voting ballot mules dropping off tens of thousands of illegal ballots?

That's just one major fallacy of a huge list.

But that's not the purpose of the movie. It's purpose is to get people who already believe to spend money.

As mentioned before, Fox and Newsmax aren't giving it one thought. That alone speaks volumes.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...-gaping-holes-in-the-claim-of-2k-ballot-mules
 
It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?

I think the most likely result in the next few years is that it will be left up to the states. At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if the federal government passed some sort of national guideline as I described.
If Roe is canceled the likely future is clear based on the political nature of the states and our Senate. Red states will outlaw abortion entirely, blue states will permit it to a great extent, and purple states will put it somewhere between first trimester and viability dependent on political expediency.

A federal compromise law is unlikely unless Democrats can manage to get 60 Senate seats again. RePublicans aren’t going there. I don’t believe they would outlaw abortion even with 60 Senate seats .
 
Time to dust off that fire hose and rile up the Dobermans?
Hey cmon I know you can be creative here. Watcha got?

Fire Hose? I was thinking powerwashers.

How bout some black cats with the ole white stripe on the back released into the crowd. Skunk...LOL

Some gas powered micro trucks with firecrackers.
 
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Hey cmon I know you can be creative here. Watcha got?

Fire Hose? I was thinking powerwashers.

How bout some black cats with the ole white stripe on the back released into the crowd. Skunk...LOL

Some gas powered micro trucks with black cat firecrackers.
You want to commit crimes against these people?
 
I could think up a thousand ways to f*ck with these protesters. But it would get old with them out in front of homes. My gawd my neighbors and I...ohh the horror. Lmao we could get creative.
Biden by way of Psaki apparently has no problem protesting in front of people's' homes. Despicable.
 
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Also, two slightly different shades of blue worn together?

1/4 zip and bball shorts? Also, although they didn't show his feet, guaranteed he's got Crocs down there.
Fantastic!! Like an old man walk of shame.

I'll tell ya what I'm a big fan of that finally caught on: "dress shoes" tennis shoes bottom. Cole haan got it cooking ages ago but now many apparel companies are on board
 
Fantastic!! Like an old man walk of shame.

I'll tell ya what I'm a big fan of that finally caught on: "dress shoes" tennis shoes bottom. Cole haan got it cooking ages ago but now many apparel companies are on board
The only that bugs me there are the Cole Haans with the white soles. Can't get there man. Can't do it.
 
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