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Nah, I'll pass...
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You're like my granddaughter who covers her eyes and thinks no one can see her.
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Wait a sec.Should abortion be legal at the point where the baby can feel pain?
Same offer to you, Zeke.It’s too crazy for even Tucker and Newsmax. But not our Trumpers. Lol https://news.yahoo.com/dinesh-d-souza-claims-tucker-212549727.html
It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?I think most Americans really don't care about abortion. At least not enough to get involved in any way. So they try to settle on something that sounds least offensive, which is the compromise you are talking about.
But it's doomed to failure, because the compromise makes no sense. If the anti-abortion activists are right, then abortion needs to be banned. If the abortion rights activists are right, then abortion decisions need to be left to the woman. Saying that abortion is okay up to a point, and not okay after that, has no logical underpinning. As evidence, we have the impending toppling of Roe, which fundamentally assumed that such a point must exist, and that this point was the point around which to balance the various interests and find that elusive compromise.
What's the most common opinion people you know have about abortion? I've never done a survey, but I can answer easily: "I don't agree with it, but it's ultimately up to the woman." Almost everyone I know would agree with a statement like that. But the statement makes no sense. Rephrase that a bit, and it says, "I don't agree with murder, but it's ultimately up to the murderer."
Anyway, what I'm really saying is the "common sense" approach to abortion lacks any actual sense, and that's why it's doomed. Someone will win. I suspect it will be the anti-abortion activists who eventually come out on top.
Yes, that is possible. I don't think that's realistic long-term, though, simply because there are no activists to be found for such a middle road.There is a middle line, viability. One can find abortion before viability acceptable and not after.
I guess we'll just have to wait a few years to see who comes closer to the mark.It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?
I think the most likely result in the next few years is that it will be left up to the states. At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if the federal government passed some sort of national guideline as I described.
I’ll pass. I don’t need to waste 90 minutes of my life on more crazy.
Let me also add that I don't see how the viability line can have a strong logical underpinning. Saying a fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb is not the same as saying the fetus deserves rights, which as I indicated above is where I think this is all heading eventually.There is a middle line, viability. One can find abortion before viability acceptable and not after.
My guess is the pro-choice position will have to evolve to that to win enough votes.Yes, that is possible. I don't think that's realistic long-term, though, simply because there are no activists to be found for such a middle road.
Once again, the USSC isn't supposed to rule based on polls and also, does it matter now? They appear to be overturning Roe and it will be up to the states. By the way, I've heard and read numerous constitutional scholar opinions recently, liberal and conservative, and it seems nearly unanimous that Roe was always on shaky ground. It probably never should have happened, and we could be done with this argument by now.Substantive Due Process is a legitimate legal principle, and it has been used sparingly: get over it. It solved the issue as well as possible.
Roe was a compromise, and viability is towards the end of the 2nd trimester: close enough.
What are you afraid of?I’ll pass. I don’t need to waste 90 minutes of my life on more crazy.
Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.I think you're being naive. The problem wasn't that the courts imposed their will on the states. The problem was that any abortions at all were allowed.
Prediction: Anti-abortion activists will shortly be finding a vehicle to argue that fetuses deserve 14th Amendment protections under the Constitution, and ask the courts to impose their will on all the states, effectively banning abortion nationwide by judicial fiat. Suddenly, they won't have any problem with law imposed by unelected judges.
A baby who can survive outside the womb doesn't deserve rights?Let me also add that I don't see how the viability line can have a strong logical underpinning. Saying a fetus is developed enough to survive outside the womb is not the same as saying the fetus deserves rights, which as I indicated above is where I think this is all heading eventually.
That, I can agree with. I still don't see them winning, but who knows? This war is far from over.My guess is the pro-choice position will have to evolve to that to win enough votes.
That morality of being against killing of inncocents is a bad thing to you then.Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.
Pay better attention. I didn't say that - and I wouldn't.A baby who can survive outside the womb doesn't deserve rights?
What kind of goul are you?
Good. I'm glad you wouldn't.Pay better attention. I didn't say that - and I wouldn't.
Nonsense. That would be a weak campaign supported by a small minority in every state.Mark my words -- the Republican moralists will soon start some new anti-contraception campaign. It's not just about abortion, to them. It's about imposing their view of morality.
I went to law school, and Roe v. Wade and Casey were taught in multiple classes. Many of my law professors were just fine with Roe v. Wade and Casey. Originalism isn't the only theory of interpretation, and conservatives tend to favor this theory.Once again, the USSC isn't supposed to rule based on polls and also, does it matter now? They appear to be overturning Roe and it will be up to the states. By the way, I've heard and read numerous constitutional scholar opinions later, liberal and conservative, and it seems nearly unanimous that Roe was always on shaky ground. It probably never should have happened, and we could be done with this argument by now.
Appreciate the offer but I was able to find streams of it so, you can stop giving D'Sousa your money.
If Roe is canceled the likely future is clear based on the political nature of the states and our Senate. Red states will outlaw abortion entirely, blue states will permit it to a great extent, and purple states will put it somewhere between first trimester and viability dependent on political expediency.It's also not at the top of my agenda, but I don't think you'd find that answer if you asked everyone you knew. I think you'd find exactly what the polls say, which is "I'm OK with it in the first trimester and think there should be significant restrictions after that." Why would your friends be outside what the statistics tell us they'd likely believe?
I think the most likely result in the next few years is that it will be left up to the states. At some point, I wouldn't be surprised if the federal government passed some sort of national guideline as I described.
There was this girl in college... practically Jeffrey Dahmer...Or taken to the extreme, is whacking off mass murder?
Sloppy 3/4 zip
I could think up a thousand ways to f*ck with these protesters. But it would get old with them out in front of homes. My gawd my neighbors and I...ohh the horror. Lmao we could get creative.Sloppy 3/4 zip
Time to dust off that fire hose and rile up the Dobermans?I could think up a thousand ways to f*ck with these protesters. But it would get old with them out in front of homes. My gawd my neighbors and I...ohh the horror. Lmao we could get creative.
Hey cmon I know you can be creative here. Watcha got?Time to dust off that fire hose and rile up the Dobermans?
You want to commit crimes against these people?Hey cmon I know you can be creative here. Watcha got?
Fire Hose? I was thinking powerwashers.
How bout some black cats with the ole white stripe on the back released into the crowd. Skunk...LOL
Some gas powered micro trucks with black cat firecrackers.
Biden by way of Psaki apparently has no problem protesting in front of people's' homes. Despicable.I could think up a thousand ways to f*ck with these protesters. But it would get old with them out in front of homes. My gawd my neighbors and I...ohh the horror. Lmao we could get creative.
I wanna have fun with em. Lighten up Francis.You want to commit crimes against these people?
Battery and being a criminal is fun for you? Yikes.I wanna have fun with em. Calm down Francis.
OMG you must have been fun to hang out with. Hey you wanna yell shit and disturb me in my neighborhood there will be some small prices to pay. All my neighbors would be like...Battery and being a criminal is fun for you? Yikes.
Screaming in front of one's home has to violate nuisance ordinances.Battery and being a criminal is fun for you? Yikes.
I can have a good time without commiting crimes: most people can.OMG you must have been fun to hang out with. Hey you wanna yell shit and disturb me in my neighborhood there will be some small prices to pay. All my neighbors would be like...
I think there is normally a decibal level. The 1A is what it is.Screaming in front of one's home has to violate nuisance ordinances.
Also, two slightly different shades of blue worn together?Sloppy 3/4 zip
Fantastic!! Like an old man walk of shame.Also, two slightly different shades of blue worn together?
1/4 zip and bball shorts? Also, although they didn't show his feet, guaranteed he's got Crocs down there.
The only that bugs me there are the Cole Haans with the white soles. Can't get there man. Can't do it.Fantastic!! Like an old man walk of shame.
I'll tell ya what I'm a big fan of that finally caught on: "dress shoes" tennis shoes bottom. Cole haan got it cooking ages ago but now many apparel companies are on board
Goat, What is your view then? Is there a point where you would not permit abortion? If so, where is that point?Pay better attention. I didn't say that - and I wouldn't.