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OK lefties . . .

I don't agree with all of the vandalism, just don't buy them.

Now I will say this about Walz's position, if you believe Elon is a malignant influence on the government and that malignant influence is born out of his wealth, tanking Tesla stock is a pretty effective way to neuter him. From what I have read, his position in things like Twitter/X is directly related to leveraging the value of Tesla's stock.

I think that is a valid protest. Boycotts are sometimes counterproductive on the short term. If I were a Tesla stock holder I would want Elon bounced from his position. He is the one dragging the value down.
Have to say I’m surprised at your take. “Tanking Tesla stock is a pretty effective way to neuter him.” Fine, as far as that goes. Think you might have a different take if you were looking at your Minnesota employee retirement fund losing value as your state, as of the last known numbers, holds 1.6 million shares of Tesla stock? The term collateral damage applies here. Tesla is also a pretty large employer. Those employees can be at risk if some loon does something really stupid and futile.

The arsonist is just adding more fuel to his fire . . . . And others suffer.

And somebody is going to die in one of these attacks. Won’t happen from some dipshit degenerate fat fvck lib reaching into his butt and then wiping his shit on someone’s Tesla. It will happen when someone firebombs a dealership and some people are caught in the aftermath.

So, Tim Walz gets no pass from me about “oh, we’ll just boycott his products and hurt him in his wallet; that’ll teach him.”

The problem is that others will inevitably suffer, financially and, more importantly, physically.

Tim Walz is supposedly a responsible public servant. Bullshit on that.

Don’t buy a Tesla. That’s cool. I know I won’t. No plans ever to buy one before this; no plans now to buy one. I never have and never will watch The View but I’m not going to firebomb their studio some night.

You’ve minimized and completely missed the point.
 
Have to say I’m surprised at your take. “Tanking Tesla stock is a pretty effective way to neuter him.” Fine, as far as that goes. Think you might have a different take if you were looking at your Minnesota employee retirement fund losing value as your state, as of the last known numbers, holds 1.6 million shares of Tesla stock? The term collateral damage applies here. Tesla is also a pretty large employer. Those employees can be at risk if some loon does something really stupid and futile.

The arsonist is just adding more fuel to his fire . . . . And others suffer.

And somebody is going to die in one of these attacks. Won’t happen from some dipshit degenerate fat fvck lib reaching into his butt and then wiping his shit on someone’s Tesla. It will happen when someone firebombs a dealership and some people are caught in the aftermath.

So, Tim Walz gets no pass from me about “oh, we’ll just boycott his products and hurt him in his wallet; that’ll teach him.”

The problem is that others will inevitably suffer, financially and, more importantly, physically.

Tim Walz is supposedly a responsible public servant. Bullshit on that.

Don’t buy a Tesla. That’s cool. I know I won’t. No plans ever to buy one before this; no plans now to buy one. I never have and never will watch The View but I’m not going to firebomb their studio some night.

You’ve minimized and completely missed the point.
Tim walz is a creep and a weirdo. I wouldn’t want my minion anywhere near him. Perfect for this iteration of the left. Miles removed from a normal guy. His safe haven state….
 
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Sure. Tech companies don't have a COGS of $36k/unit. Or require huge industrial production facilities.


They're a car company.
You can call it whatever you want they're valued differently than Toyota because the market sees them as a tech company. Go on a 30 minute drive without touching the wheel of a Toyota and let me know how it works out for you.
 
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Never-Trumpers aren't doing this. Left-wingers are doing it. What they're doing is stupid and since Democrats own Teslas at a 4-1 rate over Republicans they're harming their own. I hope every single one is caught and prosecuted, but I'm one of the few consistent law and order conservatives here that believes those that commit crimes should be prosecuted no matter what the political motivation, if there is political motivation.
No proof he was a leftist or that poop was involved. But yes any vandalism should be prosecuted
 
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You can call it whatever you want they're valued differently than Toyota because the market sees them as a tech company. Go on a 30 minute drive without touching the wheel of a Toyota and let me know how it works out for you.

It's completely irrelevant. Tech companies have high valuations because, if successful, they can quickly scale their products and market with huge gross margins. The marginal cost of the next sale is nearly nothing.... It's why they are such attractive business models. Tesla will never be able to be anything more than another car manufacturer in a mature and competitive industry selling different flavors of a commodity product. And plenty of competition will be coming online in coming years for self driving.
 
Elon didn't bring on random people setting cars on fire. Don't be a f#ck tit:
What part of shock the world, it shocks you back don’t you comprehend? What isn’t revoltingly shocking about using a chainsaw as a metaphor for terminating the employment of thousands of workers?

As for your last sentence, aren’t you old enough to have learned how to get up on the right side of the bed? 🧐

Edit: To be clear, I’m not trying to justify illegal or violent acts. I’m just providing an explanation for such primitive behavior.
 
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It's completely irrelevant. Tech companies have high valuations because, if successful, they can quickly scale their products and market with huge gross margins. The marginal cost of the next sale is nearly nothing.... It's why they are such attractive business models. Tesla will never be able to be anything more than another car manufacturer in a mature and competitive industry selling different flavors of a commodity product. And plenty of competition will be coming online in coming years for self driving.
Think Tesla is also involved in robotics, AI, driverless car tech, etc.

I'm not defending their multiple, just saying that's what people are betting on.
 
Think Tesla is also involved in robotics, AI, driverless car tech, etc.

I'm not defending their multiple, just saying that's what people are betting on.
I will say that if I was rivian or any other ev manufacturing co bidding for contracts and grants from doe and other agencies I’d be throwing a fit over musk’s access. There needs to be Chinese walls. Conflicts.
 
It's completely irrelevant. Tech companies have high valuations because, if successful, they can quickly scale their products and market with huge gross margins. The marginal cost of the next sale is nearly nothing.... It's why they are such attractive business models. Tesla will never be able to be anything more than another car manufacturer in a mature and competitive industry selling different flavors of a commodity product. And plenty of competition will be coming online in coming years for self driving.
It's not irrelevant. If Tesla figures out driverless cars it's extremely undervalued. If it doesn't, it's overvalued. I don't follow it as closely as I use to, but AI is a data game and Tesla is the clear leader.
 
I don't agree with all of the vandalism, just don't buy them.

Now I will say this about Walz's position, if you believe Elon is a malignant influence on the government and that malignant influence is born out of his wealth, tanking Tesla stock is a pretty effective way to neuter him. From what I have read, his position in things like Twitter/X is directly related to leveraging the value of Tesla's stock.

I think that is a valid protest. Boycotts are sometimes counterproductive on the short term. If I were a Tesla stock holder I would want Elon bounced from his position. He is the one dragging the value down.
If Elon was bounced from his position in Tesla the stock with drop 50% practically over night. Nobody who owns the stock wants that. They just want him out of DOGE, which will happen eventually. It's actually a great buying opportunity.
 
Interestingly, today’s Law & Order addresses the topic discussed here. Young guy’s mother dies of cancer after the insurance company refuses to pay for the recommended treatment. Guy kills the CEO in cold blood in broad daylight and his defense is it was legal according to some law that his action saved lives.
 
It's not irrelevant. If Tesla figures out driverless cars it's extremely undervalued. If it doesn't, it's overvalued. I don't follow it as closely as I use to, but AI is a data game and Tesla is the clear leader.

Undervalued how? How is that going to be monetized in a way that justifies a market cap being half of the entire global market cap of the entire global auto industry?

They going to license their software and data to the rest of the industry? You can't justify it just by selling Teslas.
 
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Undervalued how? How is that going to be monetized in a way that justifies a market cap being half of the entire global market cap of the entire global auto industry?

They going to license their software and data to the rest of the industry? You can't justify it just by selling Teslas.
Yes or more than just to the auto industry.
 
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Have to say I’m surprised at your take. “Tanking Tesla stock is a pretty effective way to neuter him.” Fine, as far as that goes. Think you might have a different take if you were looking at your Minnesota employee retirement fund losing value as your state, as of the last known numbers, holds 1.6 million shares of Tesla stock? The term collateral damage applies here. Tesla is also a pretty large employer. Those employees can be at risk if some loon does something really stupid and futile.
The state can sell the stock.

As to collateral damage, I am a government worker. What kind of collateral damage do we think Mr. Musk has done to people over the past 8 weeks? And I don't want to hear about how he isn't in charge, I have personally had to clean up after his bullshit several times over the past few weeks. From his bullshit "take this money or I fire you" offer from his people's own personal servers to the stupid 5 things email to the fact that ****ing Twitter has been the way the government has been sending messages to the various Departments the past 2 months. He paid $200 million for access and boy oh boy is he getting it. His cronies are data mining the entire government, he makes money off of having the largest social media platform (that serves as the way government messages are delivered) that he purchased by leveraging the aforementioned Tesla stock, and he even got to turn the White House Lawn into a showroom for his car while the President and the Commerce Chief encouraged people to "buy Tesla". So no, I don't have an issue if in protest people hit him where it is most likely to hurt him. He injected himself and his companies into the government and the natural reaction to that is going to be to hit his pocket book. I don't like the guy, if they manage to knock some of his influence off by making him a few hundred billion poorer, good. **** him.
The arsonist is just adding more fuel to his fire . . . . And others suffer.

And somebody is going to die in one of these attacks. Won’t happen from some dipshit degenerate fat fvck lib reaching into his butt and then wiping his shit on someone’s Tesla. It will happen when someone firebombs a dealership and some people are caught in the aftermath.
I don't support the vandalism. It is dumb and counterproductive.
So, Tim Walz gets no pass from me about “oh, we’ll just boycott his products and hurt him in his wallet; that’ll teach him.”
He does me. And I am not a Walz fan. I just happen to be in a spot where the enemy of my enemy is useful.
The problem is that others will inevitably suffer, financially and, more importantly, physically.
Again, that doesn't seem to be a concern of Musk for me, the people I work with, or the other folks who have been fired by his department. Russ Vought made a point to say that I should suffer because of where I work and should be made to feel a villain. When the Republicans take that stance against me, well...**** em. And this isn't just a "You are just sore because people are getting fired, that happens to everyone so suck it up" situation. I have been laid off in the private sector before. The people who laid me off didn't make it part of their messaging to insult me and say that making me as uncomfortable as possible while getting half the country to join in on the hate train part of their lay off messaging.
Tim Walz is supposedly a responsible public servant. Bullshit on that.
Responsible public servants are in short supply these days. The Trump administration part deux has been almost completely devoid of responsible public service. This administration has done a few good things but on the whole it has been a complete shit show.
Don’t buy a Tesla. That’s cool. I know I won’t. No plans ever to buy one before this; no plans now to buy one. I never have and never will watch The View but I’m not going to firebomb their studio some night.
Again, I don't support the vandalism. Economic warfare isn't that. A more apt analogy would be getting advertisers to stop advertising with The View to hopefully get them pulled off the air. That is completely acceptable protest.
You’ve minimized and completely missed the point.
I don't feel I have. Frankly I have about bitten my tongue off the past two months while people talked up this moron when I have had to personally deal with the fall out of his dumbassery. Don't firebomb his cars. Don't wipe your ass on them. Don't key them. But make the brand radioactive in the hopes of decreasing his power and influence? Yeah, I am all in on that.
 
The state can sell the stock.

As to collateral damage, I am a government worker. What kind of collateral damage do we think Mr. Musk has done to people over the past 8 weeks? And I don't want to hear about how he isn't in charge, I have personally had to clean up after his bullshit several times over the past few weeks. From his bullshit "take this money or I fire you" offer from his people's own personal servers to the stupid 5 things email to the fact that ****ing Twitter has been the way the government has been sending messages to the various Departments the past 2 months. He paid $200 million for access and boy oh boy is he getting it. His cronies are data mining the entire government, he makes money off of having the largest social media platform (that serves as the way government messages are delivered) that he purchased by leveraging the aforementioned Tesla stock, and he even got to turn the White House Lawn into a showroom for his car while the President and the Commerce Chief encouraged people to "buy Tesla". So no, I don't have an issue if in protest people hit him where it is most likely to hurt him. He injected himself and his companies into the government and the natural reaction to that is going to be to hit his pocket book. I don't like the guy, if they manage to knock some of his influence off by making him a few hundred billion poorer, good. **** him.

I don't support the vandalism. It is dumb and counterproductive.

He does me. And I am not a Walz fan. I just happen to be in a spot where the enemy of my enemy is useful.

Again, that doesn't seem to be a concern of Musk for me, the people I work with, or the other folks who have been fired by his department. Russ Vought made a point to say that I should suffer because of where I work and should be made to feel a villain. When the Republicans take that stance against me, well...**** em. And this isn't just a "You are just sore because people are getting fired, that happens to everyone so suck it up" situation. I have been laid off in the private sector before. The people who laid me off didn't make it part of their messaging to insult me and say that making me as uncomfortable as possible while getting half the country to join in on the hate train part of their lay off messaging.

Responsible public servants are in short supply these days. The Trump administration part deux has been almost completely devoid of responsible public service. This administration has done a few good things but on the whole it has been a complete shit show.

Again, I don't support the vandalism. Economic warfare isn't that. A more apt analogy would be getting advertisers to stop advertising with The View to hopefully get them pulled off the air. That is completely acceptable protest.

I don't feel I have. Frankly I have about bitten my tongue off the past two months while people talked up this moron when I have had to personally deal with the fall out of his dumbassery. Don't firebomb his cars. Don't wipe your ass on them. Don't key them. But make the brand radioactive in the hopes of decreasing his power and influence? Yeah, I am all in on that.
"Don't firebomb his cars. Don't wipe your ass on them. Don't key them. But make the brand radioactive in the hopes of decreasing his power and influence? Yeah, I am all in on that."

You don't like any of that, but.......

Sorry - that's not exactly a stirring condemnation.

I get you don't like what he's doing. I don't like $37 Trillion in debt with bankruptcy around the corner, either.
 
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If Elon was bounced from his position in Tesla the stock with drop 50% practically over night. Nobody who owns the stock wants that. They just want him out of DOGE, which will happen eventually. It's actually a great buying opportunity.

He is radioactive and his association with the company is causing the stock to drop. The stock has shed 1/3 of its value over the past month and that correlates to Musk inserting himself into domestic politics. It is problematic when the face of the company is disliked by over 50% of the country. He Dylan Mulvaneyed himself.
 
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Undervalued how? How is that going to be monetized in a way that justifies a market cap being half of the entire global market cap of the entire global auto industry?

They going to license their software and data to the rest of the industry? You can't justify it just by selling Teslas.


A very short version of how they can monetize it. I also think it will be a winner take all market like Apple or Microsoft. Either the software or the actual cars become a continuous revenue stream. When I use to follow them closer, several analysts commented the goal is to get the cost of a mile down to a nickel.
 
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The state can sell the stock.

As to collateral damage, I am a government worker. What kind of collateral damage do we think Mr. Musk has done to people over the past 8 weeks? And I don't want to hear about how he isn't in charge, I have personally had to clean up after his bullshit several times over the past few weeks. From his bullshit "take this money or I fire you" offer from his people's own personal servers to the stupid 5 things email to the fact that ****ing Twitter has been the way the government has been sending messages to the various Departments the past 2 months. He paid $200 million for access and boy oh boy is he getting it. His cronies are data mining the entire government, he makes money off of having the largest social media platform (that serves as the way government messages are delivered) that he purchased by leveraging the aforementioned Tesla stock, and he even got to turn the White House Lawn into a showroom for his car while the President and the Commerce Chief encouraged people to "buy Tesla". So no, I don't have an issue if in protest people hit him where it is most likely to hurt him. He injected himself and his companies into the government and the natural reaction to that is going to be to hit his pocket book. I don't like the guy, if they manage to knock some of his influence off by making him a few hundred billion poorer, good. **** him.

I don't support the vandalism. It is dumb and counterproductive.

He does me. And I am not a Walz fan. I just happen to be in a spot where the enemy of my enemy is useful.

Again, that doesn't seem to be a concern of Musk for me, the people I work with, or the other folks who have been fired by his department. Russ Vought made a point to say that I should suffer because of where I work and should be made to feel a villain. When the Republicans take that stance against me, well...**** em. And this isn't just a "You are just sore because people are getting fired, that happens to everyone so suck it up" situation. I have been laid off in the private sector before. The people who laid me off didn't make it part of their messaging to insult me and say that making me as uncomfortable as possible while getting half the country to join in on the hate train part of their lay off messaging.

Responsible public servants are in short supply these days. The Trump administration part deux has been almost completely devoid of responsible public service. This administration has done a few good things but on the whole it has been a complete shit show.

Again, I don't support the vandalism. Economic warfare isn't that. A more apt analogy would be getting advertisers to stop advertising with The View to hopefully get them pulled off the air. That is completely acceptable protest.

I don't feel I have. Frankly I have about bitten my tongue off the past two months while people talked up this moron when I have had to personally deal with the fall out of his dumbassery. Don't firebomb his cars. Don't wipe your ass on them. Don't key them. But make the brand radioactive in the hopes of decreasing his power and influence? Yeah, I am all in on that.
You may not like it but I say with all due respect too bad if trump is the one doing it. Having a billionaire like Musk we didn’t vote for who bought his way in do it is yucky. And the optics of him parading around will only grow more unseemly. As I understand they put a date certain on his work and there are same for SGEs. Trump would do well to distance himself from Musk after this frenetic period subsides.
 
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A very short version of how they can monetize it. I also think it will be a winner take all market like Apple or Microsoft. Either the software or the actual cars become a continuous revenue stream. When I use to follow them closer, several analysts commented the goal is to get the cost of a mile down to a nickel.
Convinced me! I'm cashing in my IRA and putting it in Tesla!
 
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