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A Trump assassination attempt Oswald/Ruby style wouldn’t surprise me at this stage. Liberal Democrats would lose face if Trump was to be voted in again. With Trump it would be payback time and they know it.

Well if Trump has total immunity Biden will too. The Supremes could sign Trump's death warrant if they rule in his favor.
 
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As far fetched as this scenario seems, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility.

Trump is going to be on a revenge tour if he gets reelected. A lot of people would be in deep doo doo if that happens.
I would be pissed, too, given how abused he’s been by our government. Draining of The Swamp, part ll, is how it will be written in the Annals of American History.
 
I don't think he understands the nuances of how to use the levers of executive power to even do this....not lawfully, anyway. Brute force won't get this done.

So I don't think this is true -- except in the synaptic gaps where dark fantasies lurk.
Or will have the energy. My guess is he will pardon himself and get very little done
 
After what we all watched last I don’t see how the democrats can even allow him to finish his term. To me it’s gross negligence on their part.

Stoll, suspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why Biden got this far and what could have been done differently.

Couple these folks with those who didn't take to either Biden or Trump and you have a lot of Americans scratching their heads about our future.
 
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So when will Chase Oliver and RFK debate? I'm sure the Dems and Rep duopols have paid enough money to their crony networks to keep an Oliver/RFK debate if it happened off the airwaves.
 
Stoll, suspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why Biden got this far and what could have been done differently.

Couple these folks with those who didn't take to either Biden or Trump and you have a lot of Americans scratching their heads about our future.
The media are killing me today. They’ve been gaslighting us about how bad Biden has been. I’ve flipped through the various media today. The same ones talking about deepfakes are now acting shocked.

After you dismiss the ones on the far left and right, I agree those in the middle are scratching their heads.
 
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Stoll, suspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why Biden got this far and what could have been done differently.

Couple these folks with those who didn't take to either Biden or Trump and you have a lot of Americans scratching their heads about our future.
Maybe if they stopped trusting the media
 
After what we all watched last I don’t see how the democrats can even allow him to finish his term. To me it’s gross negligence on their part.

Stoll, suspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why Biden got this far and what could have been done differently.

Couple this with those who didn't take to Biden or Trump and you have a good mamy of us.

Looks like Trump or some miracle winner could face a highly divided nation to deal with.
 
Stoll, suspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why Biden got this far and what could have been done differently.

Couple this with those who didn't take to Biden or Trump and you have a good mamy of us.

Looks like Trump or some miracle winner could face a highly divided nation to deal with.
It’s sad. Either we elect Biden who’s obviously unfit or Trump and watch the left burn down the country.

No way democrats and republicans will work together on anything.

Maybe getting nothing done is the best outcome and new leaders will
rise from the ashes for 2028.
 
The NYT and WaPo editorial boards are, after the major labor unions, probably the biggest bellwethers of the Dem power structure outside the DNC/political leadership itself. Editorials from those papers (their boards, not from individual columnists) suggesting Biden should drop out would be evidence that it’s moved beyond political chatter to a live effort within the party
 
uspect a good many if not most Democrats are asking themselves today why HOW Biden got this far
FIFY. That is the question all of them should be asking. If they simply answer this one little HUGE question, they will join with MAGA that DC is totally broken and they have been totally used, controlled, subverted just like the ignorant dupes that DC makes sure that they are.
The other thread about "fallout" should be front and center. The answer is 3rd world banana republic, right here on the streets of DC.
 
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Last summer James Carville said that a strong Democratic candidate between the ages of 45-55 would beat Trump in a relative landslide. He named Josh Shapiro, Andy Basheer and Gretchen Whitmer by name. I honestly believe that’s true.

a younger, more energetic candidate without all the baggage would be able to toe the party lines and call out Trump on all his shit.

The messaging suddenly becomes less about the lesser of evils and more about a breath of fresh air and new blood while avoiding another shit stain of a train wreck presidential term Trump would bring.
Who could cut into Trump’s base? Fetterman?

There is zero chance Fetterman could be elected president, much as he’s played well in Pennsylvania.

Whitmer is risk/reward. There’s obvious Karen downside, and people like Scott Walker and Amy Kloubachar are cautionary tales of Midwesterners not being good fits on the national presidential stage. But the ability to win big in Michigan as a pretty strident liberal can’t be ignored
 
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Hey Marv...I'll admit when I do something f-ed up. The name of season 3 episode 1 is "Tomorrow" Hahahahaha

And Tomorrow was a trip.

Anyways, I rarely watch any of these series, but this one I do. How long have they been releasing full seasons of these shows all at once? I thought when this started you would get 1 episode and wait each week for the next show. I watched 3 new episodes last night.

Ha ha, the dangers of naming an episode "tomorrow".

That episode felt strange to me. I just watched two, it felt more normal - family fighting.

I think they released all of two at once, I do not remember about season one. I wish more series would do this. Wouldn't it be great to have all of the World Series released on the same day?
 
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There wasn’t much policy substance last night. But one thing Biden said that was somewhat substantive has been stuck in my craw.

Asked how he’d keep Social Security solvent, his answer was that wealthy people need to “pay their fair share.”

Now, in any context, this stock line is populist claptrap. It’s just a rabble-rousing way to say “those rich, greedy bastards need to pay more.”

But it’s particularly egregious in this context. Typically, the flaw in the line is that this amount is undefined (try asking somebody how much “fair share” is and you’ll see what I mean). But the Social Security benefits a person is entitled to are a direct function of the OASDI taxes they have paid.

As such, by definition, every single one of us already pays our “fair share” of Social Security taxes.

Yeah, a guy who makes $20M of income only pays the OASDI tax on the first ~$170k of it (Medicare tax, on the other hand, is assessed on all of it). But his benefit schedule is no different than somebody who makes exactly $170k per year.

Stuff like this is one of the reasons I’ve become so cynical about politics. Even when pols are ostensibly dealing in substance (as opposed to, say, golf handicaps and porn stars), they’re so disingenuous….it’s nauseating.
 
Obama lost on points in the first 2012 debate, but who wins on points is fairly irrelevant. No one left that debate thinking Obama was unable to win the race or be president-the only change was that some people started to see Romney as a more serious threat to him than they had
Obama was black. It tilted the playing field in his direction, whichever direction that might be.
 
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She had one f*cking job when she started. THE BORDER. She never even went down there. What an absolute failure!
She was in El Paso at least once. Probably had one of those breakfast tacos Jill Biden made famous.

Biden is working on making illegal immigration 100% illegal. Right now it's 40% illegal. Or something like that, as he said in the debate. So a VP who is helping make illegal immigration, double secret illegal, has got to be OK.
 
Obama lost on points in the first 2012 debate, but who wins on points is fairly irrelevant. No one left that debate thinking Obama was unable to win the race or be president-the only change was that some people started to see Romney as a more serious threat to him than they had
The only thing Romney was ever a threat to, were alter boys. He was a none starter.
 
I feel sorry for anyone who thought Biden was competent in 2020 and thought Harris was a good option to take over. It was obvious to most sane and unbiased people that Biden/Harris was a terrible choice.

Trump won in 2016 because Hillary may have been the most hated disingenuous person at that time.

I'm definitely right, not really sure what to consider myself anymore because it's got so confusing.

I voted Trump in 2016, because I despised Hillary. They should have run Bill again. I may have voted for him at that time.

Point is, our presidential election process has become a joke.

Jesus ****in christ put in term limits already, similar, no exactly what the standards are for general military officers.

This ridiculousness is beyond belief
 
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Compared to what we have now? I'd take stick in the mud Romney over anything since first term GHWB
OMG... It's a huge stretch for me, but looking at the sum of all parts, alllllll the way back then... I may, begrudgingly have to agree. BUT in total protest. He did worse things, but to the enjoyment of some (one) republican around here, at least he did it so we didn't know we were being ruled and looked down on by a total hypocrite.
OG politicians, rule them, keep them down, make them pay your bills then make them happy with it while loving you and ask for more.

Sounds a lot like being a democrat today.
 
Ha ha, the dangers of naming an episode "tomorrow".

That episode felt strange to me. I just watched two, it felt more normal - family fighting.

I think they released all of two at once, I do not remember about season one. I wish more series would do this. Wouldn't it be great to have all of the World Series released on the same day?
I'm up to episode 6. I asked my wife if this is normal she said no and thats what I remembered they used to make you wait each week for the next episode. They released the entire season Thursday night all 10 episodes of season 3. Pretty crazy! I've enjoyed these they are really diving deep it's pretty cool.
 
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The media are killing me today. They’ve been gaslighting us about how bad Biden has been. I’ve flipped through the various media today. The same ones talking about deepfakes are now acting shocked.

After you dismiss the ones on the far left and right, I agree those in the middle are scratching their heads.
The only ones scratching are those the Leviathan isn't paying.

..and MSM is full of paid-in-full lackeys, waiting for the code word from George Soros/Obama.
 
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Obama is obviously Michelle, not Barack.

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That is pitiful. Complete joke of a nightmare for this country. There is NO WAY anyone would put up with Newsom's authoritarian attitude. He would have to travel in Brinks trucks to stay safe. The crap he has pulled in Cali and the bills he stands behind are so damaging to freedom.

I'd rather have Biden than word salad. I can at least understand Biden even when he talks fast and mushy, Harris talking about anything is like an acid trip that ends up floating around and everyone wonders where the hell she was going with what she said.

The rest of that list is putrid. Why and how do these people get elected? Where are the small town mayors who care and have a good record? And don't say Pete he left South Bend worse off and more divided than before he got elected.

Get some new blood in there OR maybe this is the direction we are headed. Sad!
 
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Gretchen Whitmer at $2 seems like a decent bet to me. It's cheap to buy and could easily jump a lot if Biden bows out (personally, I think he will).

IMO, she'd obviously be the best choice as a replacement -- especially if she picks Gov. Josh Shapiro as her runningmate. However, I can understand why the best odds go to Newsom and Harris, given the info we have right now. That makes sense.

But it's interesting that the betting markets have Biden's chances of nomination at almost 50/50.
So the woman who threw old folks in Covid nightmares to their deaths would be a good choice? The woman who told Indiana residents and residents from her own state they could not travel to lake houses during Covid and closed and locked down her state would be a good choice? These are dictators for Gods sakes. Thats what you want? She single handedly destroyed so many small businesses it was horrible.
 
So the woman who threw old folks in Covid nightmares to their deaths would be a good choice? The woman who told Indiana residents and residents from her own state they could not travel to lake houses during Covid and closed and locked down her state would be a good choice? These are dictators for Gods sakes. Thats what you want? She single handedly destroyed so many small businesses it was horrible.
While she was down in Florida not wearing a mask and her husband was out fishing everyday while she kept the rest of Michigan locked up.
 
I remember when Tulsi was the dem poster child. I don't agree with her policies, but she's level headed and doesn't seem woke. She completely called out the system after she was elected. The fact that the dems told her if she ever backed a pub they would turn their backs on her and not support anything she brought forth had to be disturbing. Sucks it's so damn divided.
 
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I see you're not deviating from the 'Trump lies' playbook.

Care to cite any specifics? You know, like Biden's false claims - as noted on Snopes - what Trump said at Charlottesville? Or when Biden claims inflation was 9% when he came into office?

Don't even try to pull that shit when Biden lied every time he opened his mouth.
Lying and overstating is not my playbook, it is from Trump's playbook.

The points are well documented and you know it. I noted several of them real time. "that's a lie, that's lie, that is overstated".

BTW was looking at homes in your state last week and saw more info about your Holocaust denier, anti semetic, Islamophobic, transphobic, conspiracy theorist, fake reverend Gov candidate.

Convicted of writing bad checks?

All false...I am sure.
 
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