New NIH chief on COVID, being smeared by Fauci et al., how NIH can regain trust, and . . . Christianity?

[BradStevens]

Interesting interview. Smart and humble guy. Nice to see him recover from the smears by establishment scientists.

@TheDiveSummaries​

1 day ago
Timestamps + chat w/ the video

0:00 - Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Rise --- From pariah to NIH head, challenging public health norms4:20 - The Great Barrington Declaration --- Criticized lockdowns' harm, sparking backlash from NIH's Collins and Fauci9:57 - Lockdowns: A Failed Strategy --- Lockdowns failed to eradicate COVID, causing widespread economic and social harm15:40 - Personal Impact of Controversy --- Bhattacharya faced ostracism, threats, and personal turmoil post-Declaration21:20 - Faith and Resilience in Crisis --- Christianity helped Bhattacharya withstand attacks, censorship, and career sacrifices27:05 - Apologies and Accountability --- Bhattacharya's faith in American free speech shattered by pandemic censorship32:40 - Reconciliation and Moving Forward --- Bhattacharya seeks inclusive pandemic planning, emphasizing forgiveness over retribution38:20 - Rebuilding Trust in Public Health --- Bhattacharya emphasizes reconciliation, rejecting misinformation narratives, and depersonalizing blame46:44 - Medical School Realities --- Medical students face pressure to feign knowledge, echoing public health missteps52:39 - Trust in Science and NIH --- NIH's mission unmet; chronic disease crisis persists despite scientific advances59:15 - Funding and Research Priorities --- NIH should prioritize non-patentable research, scrutinize gain of function risks1:07:21 - Addressing Conflicts of Interest --- NIH inefficiencies, bureaucracy, and political tensions disrupt research1:15:27 - Gain of Function Research Debate --- Public health trust eroded; science must address vaccine-autism concerns1:23:33 - Vaccine Hesitancy and Trust --- Public health must rebuild trust through transparency, humility, and evidence1:31:39 - Public Health Communication Challenges --- Rebuilding trust requires nuanced, science-based communication, not rigid mandatesFor summary bullets of any length & chat Q&A: thedive.ai/v/cm90188vx005d6a4mq5suq9u3?us=yt

 

[mcmurtry66]

Interesting interview. Smart and humble guy. Nice to see him recover from the smears by establishment scientists.

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@TheDiveSummaries​

1 day ago
Timestamps + chat w/ the video

0:00 - Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's Rise --- From pariah to NIH head, challenging public health norms4:20 - The Great Barrington Declaration --- Criticized lockdowns' harm, sparking backlash from NIH's Collins and Fauci9:57 - Lockdowns: A Failed Strategy --- Lockdowns failed to eradicate COVID, causing widespread economic and social harm15:40 - Personal Impact of Controversy --- Bhattacharya faced ostracism, threats, and personal turmoil post-Declaration21:20 - Faith and Resilience in Crisis --- Christianity helped Bhattacharya withstand attacks, censorship, and career sacrifices27:05 - Apologies and Accountability --- Bhattacharya's faith in American free speech shattered by pandemic censorship32:40 - Reconciliation and Moving Forward --- Bhattacharya seeks inclusive pandemic planning, emphasizing forgiveness over retribution38:20 - Rebuilding Trust in Public Health --- Bhattacharya emphasizes reconciliation, rejecting misinformation narratives, and depersonalizing blame46:44 - Medical School Realities --- Medical students face pressure to feign knowledge, echoing public health missteps52:39 - Trust in Science and NIH --- NIH's mission unmet; chronic disease crisis persists despite scientific advances59:15 - Funding and Research Priorities --- NIH should prioritize non-patentable research, scrutinize gain of function risks1:07:21 - Addressing Conflicts of Interest --- NIH inefficiencies, bureaucracy, and political tensions disrupt research1:15:27 - Gain of Function Research Debate --- Public health trust eroded; science must address vaccine-autism concerns1:23:33 - Vaccine Hesitancy and Trust --- Public health must rebuild trust through transparency, humility, and evidence1:31:39 - Public Health Communication Challenges --- Rebuilding trust requires nuanced, science-based communication, not rigid mandatesFor summary bullets of any length & chat Q&A: thedive.ai/v/cm90188vx005d6a4mq5suq9u3?us=yt

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Just for fun, what specific lie caused people to die?

 

[BradStevens]

Just for fun, what specific lie caused people to die?

If you believe masks worked to prevent the spread of COVID, he lied about that.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Just for fun, what specific lie caused people to die?

🤣🤣🤣🤣 so irrelevant to viral marketing
#Boomer 🤡

 

[Marvin the Martian]

If you believe masks worked to prevent the spread of COVID, he lied about that.

He did lie about that. But it seems most of the people who blame him for masks don't believe they worked. Or, the ones that lied that wearing masks would kill you without COVID. But we don't mention them.

 

[outside shooter]

If you believe masks worked to prevent the spread of COVID, he lied about that.

What was the death toll from those masks?

also... prevention of spread does not mean 100% protection from every virus particle. N95s block ~98% of exhaled virus particles. Cloth masks work less well, but block way more than 0%.

N95 Masks Nearly Perfect at Blocking COVID, UMD Study Shows

Researchers Found Even Lower-Performing Masks Were Protective

today.umd.edu

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(24)00192-0/fulltext

 

[BradStevens]

He did lie about that. But it seems most of the people who blame him for masks don't believe they worked. Or, the ones that lied that wearing masks would kill you without COVID. But we don't mention them.

You're pointing out others who are also inconsistent. I agree w/r/t to this mask point.

But you haven't refuted my point: if you think wearing masks saved lives, then you have to assume Fauci's lie took lives, don't you?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You're pointing out others who are also inconsistent. I agree w/r/t to this mask point.

But you haven't refuted my point: if you think wearing masks saved lives, then you have to assume Fauci's lie took lives, don't you?

I would have disagreed if I disagreed but I said "he did do that."

We can debate the relative merits of, "we lack masks and need the medical people to have them" argument. I find it offsets your point some but not completely, your mileage may vary.

 

[BradStevens]

What was the death toll from those masks?

Unquantifiable, I'd guess. I'm sure the same people who did studies to show how many lives were potentially saved could do a similar one here. Why do you think they didn't do that?

Also, the loss of public trust in health institutions resulting from these noble lies arguably has and will cause more deaths.

The U.S. Government’s Noble Lies About COVID-19

When Fauci said in March 2020 that Americans didn’t need to wear masks, it was a noble lie—and a destructive one.

slate.com

Noble lies are a public health hazard

Just the facts, bureaucrats

theweek.com

A Taxonomy of Non-honesty in Public Health Communication - PMC

This paper discusses the ethics of public health communication. We argue that a number of commonplace tools of public health communication risk qualifying as non-honest and question whether or not using such tools is ethically justified. First, we ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[outside shooter]

I lied when I said that Alford would make a free throw one time. Sometimes he missed, though. Doesn't mean that having him shoot them, instead of (say) Shaq, is a bad idea.

 

[BradStevens]

I lied when I said that Alford would make a free throw one time. Sometimes he missed, though. Doesn't mean that having him shoot them, instead of (say) Shaq, is a bad idea.

Bad analogy.

 

[outside shooter]

The recommendation was never that putting on any mask was the magic bullet that let you go anywhere in any crowd and do anything. Just that it was better to wear a mask than to not wear a mask, if you have to be out in a crowd, and better still to wear a well-fitted high tech, NIOSH respirator certified mask.

I know I recommended people getting N95s on Amazon. The N95 is Alford. The balaclava is Shaq. Nothing is two straight lane violations

 

[BradStevens]

The recommendation was never that putting on a mask was the magic bullet that let you go anywhere in any crowd and do anything. Just that it was better to wear a mask than to not wear a mask, and better still to wear a well-fitted high tech, NIOSH respirator certified mask. I know I recommended people getting N95s on Amazon.

So what?

 

[outside shooter]

So what?

I'm still waiting for the death toll from the recommendation that it is better to wear a mask in a crowd than to not wear a mask in a crowd.

 

[sweetsilence]

People that chew on the ear pieces of their glasses I find an annoying habit. Can't trust them.

 

[sweetsilence]

I'm still waiting for the death toll from the recommendation that it is better to wear a mask in a crowd than to not wear a mask in a crowd.

Nothing about covid numbers can really be undeniably quantified.

 

[BradStevens]

I'm still waiting for the death toll from the recommendation that it is better to wear a mask in a crowd than to not wear a mask in a crowd.

Reread post #10. Or do your own analysis from these numbers. It won't be exact and you will need to make a lot of assumptions, just like with any other similar type of study:

Mask mandates save lives - PMC

We quantify the effect of statewide mask mandates in the United States in 2020. Our regression discontinuity design exploits county-level variation in COVID-19 outcomes across the border between states with and without mandates. State mask mandates ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[snarlcakes]

You're pointing out others who are also inconsistent. I agree w/r/t to this mask point.

But you haven't refuted my point: if you think wearing masks saved lives, then you have to assume Fauci's lie took lives, don't you?

 

[snarlcakes]

What was the death toll from those masks?

also... prevention of spread does not mean 100% protection from every virus particle. N95s block ~98% of exhaled virus particles. Cloth masks work less well, but block way more than 0%.

N95 Masks Nearly Perfect at Blocking COVID, UMD Study Shows

Researchers Found Even Lower-Performing Masks Were Protective

today.umd.edu

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(24)00192-0/fulltext

This is why people like myself and 10s of millions of other Americans want our institutions drastically reduced or abolished entirely. Instead of being defensive and disingenuous a simple, "yeah Facui f#cked up " would go a long way of restoring some faith.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This is why people like myself and 10s of millions of other Americans want our institutions drastically reduced or abolished entirely. Instead of being defensive and disingenuous a simple, "yeah Facui f#cked up " would go a long way of restoring some faith.

Teach him. Preach to him

 

[outside shooter]

Reread post #10.

I misread your complaint, I guess. You are complaining... if I have this right.... that at the start of the pandemic, Fauci said that we probably didn't need to all wear masks. At least part of the reasoning, it turns out, was that masks were in short supply and so a "run" on them would make them unavailable for health care workers.

That probably was indeed a lie, or at least a very bad recommendation, unaware as to the damage it could do.

The backtrack Fauci made shortly afterward, when masks were available to everyone and Fauci said we should all use them, was 100% correct and surely saved a ton of lives, and THIS is the recommendation that most people in the Trump camp complain about to this day.

My point stands that the (admittedly delayed) recommendation he made, that we ought to wear masks instead of not wear masks, cost no lives and in fact likely saved very many lives, based on studies like the Maryland study that I linked.

 

[BradStevens]

I misread your complaint, I guess. You are complaining... if I have this right.... that at the start of the pandemic, Fauci said that we probably didn't need to all wear masks. At least part of the reasoning, it turns out, was that masks were in short supply and so a "run" on them would make them unavailable for health care workers.

That probably was indeed a lie, or at least a very bad recommendation, unaware as to the damage it could do.

The backtrack Fauci made shortly afterward, when masks were available to everyone and Fauci said we should all use them, was 100% correct and surely saved a ton of lives, and THIS is the recommendation that most people in the Trump camp complain about to this day.

My point stands that the (admittedly delayed) recommendation he made, that we ought to wear masks instead of not wear masks, cost no lives and in fact likely saved very many lives, based on studies like the Maryland study that I linked.

Your point proves mine.

 

[snarlcakes]

Your point proves mine.

lol...surely he's trolling at this point?

 

[BradStevens]

This is why people like myself and 10s of millions of other Americans want our institutions drastically reduced or abolished entirely. Instead of being defensive and disingenuous a simple, "yeah Facui f#cked up " would go a long way of restoring some faith.

I get it.

I'd rather we keep the funding but do internal reforms and focus on stuff like Bhattacharya discusses in the interview. Here's hoping he can instill that same sense of humbleness and fallibility into the NIH that he personally displays every time he speaks.

 

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[mcmurtry66]

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Great post. Screenings unnecessarily postponed, treatment, clinicals, on and on. I was disgusted to see fauci get a pardon. They should drag his ass over the coals. He’s another one lying through his teeth

and for the record that we know that little twat fauci’s name is yet another indictment on trump’s dogshit governance

But for the worthless virtue signaling vapid left trump shouldn’t be within a thousand miles of dc

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

To Brad’s OP, great interview and really interesting guy… it’s clear Fauci, Collin’s, et al were wrong and were too pig headed or egotistical to admit it. I don’t buy the conspiracy theories around their wealth, but I do think it’s an obvious case of scientists thinking they are smarter and know the proper choice and refusing to admit once they were incorrect.

Moreover, the suppression of alternative theories (lab leak, herd immunity) is even more concerning for people in power.