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The Breonna Taylor shooting produced a new Kentucky statute against no-knock warrants. Today, the Kentucky Supreme Court formally adopted a rule of evidence excluding evidence in criminal or civil trials if gathered pursuant to a no-knock warrant … or a warrant based on false affidavits.

Will probably require a hearing in every case since every affidavit will be challenged.
 
The Breonna Taylor shooting produced a new Kentucky statute against no-knock warrants. Today, the Kentucky Supreme Court formally adopted a rule of evidence excluding evidence in criminal or civil trials if gathered pursuant to a no-knock warrant … or a warrant based on false affidavits.

Will probably require a hearing in every case since every affidavit will be challenged.
Now there’s progress…
 
The Breonna Taylor shooting produced a new Kentucky statute against no-knock warrants. Today, the Kentucky Supreme Court formally adopted a rule of evidence excluding evidence in criminal or civil trials if gathered pursuant to a no-knock warrant … or a warrant based on false affidavits.

Will probably require a hearing in every case since every affidavit will be challenged.
You mean affidavits couldn't be challenged before?
 
You mean affidavits couldn't be challenged before?
They could, but the evidence was not excluded by any specific rule.

Criminal law has “the fruit of the poisonous tree” doctrine, but no civil equivalent.

In over 30 years, I had zero such hearings in civil cases, and never even heard of civil evidence being excluded because of a “warrant-affidavit lie.”

Probably more common in a case where a cop gets sued for excessive force and evidence from a warrant was used.
 
They could, but the evidence was not excluded by any specific rule.

Criminal law has “the fruit of the poisonous tree” doctrine, but no civil equivalent.

In over 30 years, I had zero such hearings in civil cases, and never even heard of civil evidence being excluded because of a “warrant-affidavit lie.”

Probably more common in a case where a cop gets sued for excessive force and evidence from a warrant was used.
Since more and more cameras are in use, this shouldn't matter. Recordings of knocking should be pretty conclusive.
 
The Breonna Taylor shooting produced a new Kentucky statute against no-knock warrants. Today, the Kentucky Supreme Court formally adopted a rule of evidence excluding evidence in criminal or civil trials if gathered pursuant to a no-knock warrant … or a warrant based on false affidavits.

Will probably require a hearing in every case since every affidavit will be challenged.
What about warrants based on CI statements. Are they now out? What about warrants based on witness statements that turn out to be mistaken?
 
Since more and more cameras are in use, this shouldn't matter. Recordings of knocking should be pretty conclusive.
The knock wasn’t the man issue in Taylor. The “affiant” cop swore he had “confirmed” with a postal inspector that Taylor’s ex-boyfriend had received suspicious packages at her address. He lied about that - another cop had just told him that. Hearsay and rumor that turned out to be false too - the postal guy said “I never said that - I never knew that.” Without suspicious (“drug”) packages coming to Taylor’s apartment, no warrant. No warrant - no shooting.
 
What about warrants based on CI statements. Are they now out? What about warrants based on witness statements that turn out to be mistaken?

Prolly shoulda quoted the full rule - see below - but the statute puts limits on no-knock exigency warrants - and the evidence rule says:

KRE 410A – Arrest or search warrant authorizing entry without notice.
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b) of this rule, the following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding:
(1) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that did not comply with
applicable statutes; or
(2) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that was obtained through perjury or material false statement.
(b) Evidence excluded in subdivision (a) of this rule is admissible if otherwise admissible under these rules, and:
(1) In a civil case, offered by the plaintiff in an action for damages
arising from the warrant; or
(2) In a criminal proceeding for perjury or material false statement in
the application for the warrant, offered against the defendant.


So basically, the judges are gonna have to work it out, and years of appeals will clarify.
 
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Prolly shoulda quoted the full rule - see below - but the statute puts limits on no-knock exigency warrants - and the evidence rule says:

KRE 410A – Arrest or search warrant authorizing entry without notice.
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b) of this rule, the following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding:
(1) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that did not comply with
applicable statutes; or
(2) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that was obtained through perjury or material false statement.
(b) Evidence excluded in subdivision (a) of this rule is admissible if otherwise admissible under these rules, and:
(1) In a civil case, offered by the plaintiff in an action for damages
arising from the warrant; or
(2) In a criminal proceeding for perjury or material false statement in
the application for the warrant, offered against the defendant.


So basically, the judges are gonna have to work it out, and years of appeals will clarify.
PS - statutes were hastily drafted in response to hastily-passed local ordinance. Nothing says “appeal” like hasty laws.
 
Prolly shoulda quoted the full rule - see below - but the statute puts limits on no-knock exigency warrants - and the evidence rule says:

KRE 410A – Arrest or search warrant authorizing entry without notice.
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b) of this rule, the following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding:
(1) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that did not comply with
applicable statutes; or
(2) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant
authorizing entry without notice that was obtained through perjury or material false statement.
(b) Evidence excluded in subdivision (a) of this rule is admissible if otherwise admissible under these rules, and:
(1) In a civil case, offered by the plaintiff in an action for damages
arising from the warrant; or
(2) In a criminal proceeding for perjury or material false statement in
the application for the warrant, offered against the defendant.


So basically, the judges are gonna have to work it out, and years of appeals will clarify.
Good. There is nothing objectionable in that rule.
 
The Breonna Taylor shooting produced a new Kentucky statute against no-knock warrants. Today, the Kentucky Supreme Court formally adopted a rule of evidence excluding evidence in criminal or civil trials if gathered pursuant to a no-knock warrant … or a warrant based on false affidavits.

Will probably require a hearing in every case since every affidavit will be challenged.

can this change prior convictions or anything?
 
Good. There is nothing objectionable in that rule.
Thats the tunnel vision SJW view that seeks only to punish the bad orange cop man that shot Breonna Taylor. And that is what the STATUTE was initially attempted to be - a punishment - a social statement - not a rule about whether the evidence is relevant, or whether it makes guilt or liability more/less likely, or whether the evidence is reliable or genuine or “what it purports to be.” But …

Before the George Floyd death in Milwaukee, Louisville city government had already passed a complete no-knock warrant ban, and the cops/prosecutors were in the process of disciplining and firing and prosecuting cops involved in the Taylor shooting. The statute was a state legislature (heavily GOP now) “compromise” after the reactive bill got filed. And - for example - in August 2020 the Louisville FBI office had served no knock warrants 30 miles away in Bardstown trying to solve a cold case where a bad cop might be involved (Google Crystal Rogers or her dad). No-knocks had continued to be served all over the state. AND the Kentucky Constitution has relevant provisions ignored/violated by the initial bill.

This rule of evidence was the court saying “the Kentucky Constitution says we decide evidence rules - not the legislature - but we get elected too - so here ya go - we’ll get in the mess too.”

And if it excludes the murder weapon in a case where your family member was the victim in one of Louisville’s new-league-record number of murders - as the drug war that caused Taylor’s death continues and grows larger - because some cop relied on a CI jailhouse witness statement that 6 trial court judges would call “materially” false, and another 6 would not, feel different.

Plus, the “applicable statutes” are subject to change.

Etc.

It will work itself out over time, but in the interim - equal justice will be more equal for some than others.

In fact, if you and @CO. Hoosier want to get in the legal weeds, count the legal issues involved in the statute - here the language of the bill passed just before the rule:


CHAPTER 202 1
CHAPTER 202 ( SB 4 )
AN ACT relating to warrants authorizing entry without notice.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Kentucky:
SECTION 1. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS: No arrest warrant or search warrant shall be issued authorizing entry without notice unless:
(1) The court finds by clear and convincing evidence that:
(a) The crime alleged is a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401; the crime alleged is a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210; or the evidence sought may give rise to the charge of a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401 or may give rise to a charge of a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210; and
(b) As established by facts specific to the case, giving notice prior to entry will endanger the life or safety of any person, or result in the loss or destruction of evidence sought that may give rise to a charge of a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401 or may give rise to a charge of a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210;
(2) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant has obtained the approval of his or her supervising officer, or has the approval of the highest ranking officer in his or her law enforcement agency;
(3) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant has consulted with the Commonwealth's attorney or county attorney for the jurisdiction for which the warrant is sought, or with an assistant Commonwealth's attorney or assistant county attorney for the jurisdiction for which the warrant is sought;
(4) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant discloses to the judge, as part of the application, any other attempt to obtain a warrant authorizing entry without notice for the same premises, or for the arrest of the same individual;
(5) The warrant authorizes that the entry without notice occur only between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., except in exigent circumstances where the court makes the findings set forth in subsection (1) of this section and the court further finds by clear and convincing evidence that there are substantial and imminent risks to the health and safety of the persons executing the warrant, the occupants of the premises, or the public that justify the entry without notice occur during other hours designated by the court; and
(6) If the warrant is not issued electronically pursuant to KRS 455.170, the warrant includes the legibly printed name and signature of the judge.
SECTION 2. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
A judge shall carefully review any application for a warrant pursuant to Section 1 of this Act as a neutral and detached magistrate. Failure to act as a neutral and detached magistrate may be referred to the Judicial Conduct Commission.
SECTION 3. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS: A warrant issued pursuant to Section 1 of this Act shall be executed:
(1) By law enforcement officers who:
(a) Are members of a special weapons and tactics team or special response team, or another established team or unit trained and tasked with resolving high-risk situations and incidents, who have received appropriate training in the execution of arrest and search warrants authorizing entry without notice. In counties having a population of less than ninety thousand (90,000), when, after reasonable inquiry by the law enforcement officer seeking the warrant, members of the special weapons and tactics team or special response team are not available to timely execute the warrant and the court finds by clear and convincing evidence that the risks to the health and safety of the persons executing the warrant, the occupants of the premises, or the public are greater if the warrant is not timely
Legislative Research Commission PDF Version

2 ACTS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
executed, the court may approve the execution of the warrant without members of a special weapons and tactics team or special response team;
(b) Are equipped with body-worn cameras, or, in counties having a population of less than ninety thousand (90,000), equipped with other audio-visual or audio recording devices issued by the government, and shall record the entirety of the execution of the warrant with a recording device that meets the requirements of this paragraph; and
(c) Are equipped with clearly visible insignia on any protective equipment or clothing that clearly identifies the name of the agency that employs the members of the special weapons and tactics team or special response team;
(2) In the presence of a uniformed law enforcement officer; and
(3) With a certified or licensed paramedic or emergency medical technician in proximity and available to provide medical assistance, if needed.
Section 4. KRS 523.020 is amended to read as follows:
(1) A person is guilty of perjury in the first degree when he or she makes a material false statement, which he or
she does not believe:[,]
(a) In any official proceeding under an oath required or authorized by law; [or]
(b)[(2)] [When he makes a material false statement which he does not believe ]In a subscribed written instrument for which an oath is required or authorized by law, with the intent to mislead a public servant in the performance of his or her official functions when such person is subscribing a warrant accusing his or her spouse of an offense under KRS Chapter 510; or
(c) In an application for a warrant under Section 1 of this Act. (2)[(3)] Perjury in the first degree is a Class D felony.
SECTION 5. A NEW SECTION OF KENTUCKY RULES OF EVIDENCE 401 TO 412 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b) of this rule, the following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding:
(1) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant authorizing entry without notice that did not comply with applicable statutes; or
(2) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant authorizing entry without notice that was obtained through perjury or material false statement.
(b) Evidence excluded in subdivision (a) of this rule is admissible if otherwise admissible under these rules, and:
(1) In a civil case, offered by the plaintiff in an action for damages arising from the warrant; or
(2) In a criminal proceeding for perjury or material false statement in the application for the warrant, offered against the defendant.
Signed by Governor April 9, 2021.

Wade though THAT! Words only a defense attorney can love!

Cities telling federals what to do!!State legislatures setting the time a cop can execute a warrant! Presidents issuing hundreds of executive fiat orders!

All in the name of social thought!

What will save us from a US Code which sets the degree a pinky should extend at tea?
 
Thats the tunnel vision SJW view that seeks only to punish the bad orange cop man that shot Breonna Taylor. And that is what the STATUTE was initially attempted to be - a punishment - a social statement - not a rule about whether the evidence is relevant, or whether it makes guilt or liability more/less likely, or whether the evidence is reliable or genuine or “what it purports to be.” But …

Before the George Floyd death in Milwaukee, Louisville city government had already passed a complete no-knock warrant ban, and the cops/prosecutors were in the process of disciplining and firing and prosecuting cops involved in the Taylor shooting. The statute was a state legislature (heavily GOP now) “compromise” after the reactive bill got filed. And - for example - in August 2020 the Louisville FBI office had served no knock warrants 30 miles away in Bardstown trying to solve a cold case where a bad cop might be involved (Google Crystal Rogers or her dad). No-knocks had continued to be served all over the state. AND the Kentucky Constitution has relevant provisions ignored/violated by the initial bill.

This rule of evidence was the court saying “the Kentucky Constitution says we decide evidence rules - not the legislature - but we get elected too - so here ya go - we’ll get in the mess too.”

And if it excludes the murder weapon in a case where your family member was the victim in one of Louisville’s new-league-record number of murders - as the drug war that caused Taylor’s death continues and grows larger - because some cop relied on a CI jailhouse witness statement that 6 trial court judges would call “materially” false, and another 6 would not, feel different.

Plus, the “applicable statutes” are subject to change.

Etc.

It will work itself out over time, but in the interim - equal justice will be more equal for some than others.

In fact, if you and @CO. Hoosier want to get in the legal weeds, count the legal issues involved in the statute - here the language of the bill passed just before the rule:


CHAPTER 202 1
CHAPTER 202 ( SB 4 )
AN ACT relating to warrants authorizing entry without notice.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Kentucky:
SECTION 1. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS: No arrest warrant or search warrant shall be issued authorizing entry without notice unless:
(1) The court finds by clear and convincing evidence that:
(a) The crime alleged is a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401; the crime alleged is a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210; or the evidence sought may give rise to the charge of a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401 or may give rise to a charge of a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210; and
(b) As established by facts specific to the case, giving notice prior to entry will endanger the life or safety of any person, or result in the loss or destruction of evidence sought that may give rise to a charge of a crime that would qualify a person, if convicted, as a violent offender under KRS 439.3401 or may give rise to a charge of a crime designated in KRS 525.045, 527.200, 527.205, or 527.210;
(2) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant has obtained the approval of his or her supervising officer, or has the approval of the highest ranking officer in his or her law enforcement agency;
(3) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant has consulted with the Commonwealth's attorney or county attorney for the jurisdiction for which the warrant is sought, or with an assistant Commonwealth's attorney or assistant county attorney for the jurisdiction for which the warrant is sought;
(4) The law enforcement officer seeking the warrant discloses to the judge, as part of the application, any other attempt to obtain a warrant authorizing entry without notice for the same premises, or for the arrest of the same individual;
(5) The warrant authorizes that the entry without notice occur only between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., except in exigent circumstances where the court makes the findings set forth in subsection (1) of this section and the court further finds by clear and convincing evidence that there are substantial and imminent risks to the health and safety of the persons executing the warrant, the occupants of the premises, or the public that justify the entry without notice occur during other hours designated by the court; and
(6) If the warrant is not issued electronically pursuant to KRS 455.170, the warrant includes the legibly printed name and signature of the judge.
SECTION 2. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
A judge shall carefully review any application for a warrant pursuant to Section 1 of this Act as a neutral and detached magistrate. Failure to act as a neutral and detached magistrate may be referred to the Judicial Conduct Commission.
SECTION 3. A NEW SECTION OF KRS CHAPTER 455 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS: A warrant issued pursuant to Section 1 of this Act shall be executed:
(1) By law enforcement officers who:
(a) Are members of a special weapons and tactics team or special response team, or another established team or unit trained and tasked with resolving high-risk situations and incidents, who have received appropriate training in the execution of arrest and search warrants authorizing entry without notice. In counties having a population of less than ninety thousand (90,000), when, after reasonable inquiry by the law enforcement officer seeking the warrant, members of the special weapons and tactics team or special response team are not available to timely execute the warrant and the court finds by clear and convincing evidence that the risks to the health and safety of the persons executing the warrant, the occupants of the premises, or the public are greater if the warrant is not timely
Legislative Research Commission PDF Version

2 ACTS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
executed, the court may approve the execution of the warrant without members of a special weapons and tactics team or special response team;
(b) Are equipped with body-worn cameras, or, in counties having a population of less than ninety thousand (90,000), equipped with other audio-visual or audio recording devices issued by the government, and shall record the entirety of the execution of the warrant with a recording device that meets the requirements of this paragraph; and
(c) Are equipped with clearly visible insignia on any protective equipment or clothing that clearly identifies the name of the agency that employs the members of the special weapons and tactics team or special response team;
(2) In the presence of a uniformed law enforcement officer; and
(3) With a certified or licensed paramedic or emergency medical technician in proximity and available to provide medical assistance, if needed.
Section 4. KRS 523.020 is amended to read as follows:
(1) A person is guilty of perjury in the first degree when he or she makes a material false statement, which he or
she does not believe:[,]
(a) In any official proceeding under an oath required or authorized by law; [or]
(b)[(2)] [When he makes a material false statement which he does not believe ]In a subscribed written instrument for which an oath is required or authorized by law, with the intent to mislead a public servant in the performance of his or her official functions when such person is subscribing a warrant accusing his or her spouse of an offense under KRS Chapter 510; or
(c) In an application for a warrant under Section 1 of this Act. (2)[(3)] Perjury in the first degree is a Class D felony.
SECTION 5. A NEW SECTION OF KENTUCKY RULES OF EVIDENCE 401 TO 412 IS CREATED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b) of this rule, the following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding:
(1) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant authorizing entry without notice that did not comply with applicable statutes; or
(2) Evidence gathered by use of an arrest warrant or search warrant authorizing entry without notice that was obtained through perjury or material false statement.
(b) Evidence excluded in subdivision (a) of this rule is admissible if otherwise admissible under these rules, and:
(1) In a civil case, offered by the plaintiff in an action for damages arising from the warrant; or
(2) In a criminal proceeding for perjury or material false statement in the application for the warrant, offered against the defendant.
Signed by Governor April 9, 2021.

Wade though THAT! Words only a defense attorney can love!

Cities telling federals what to do!!State legislatures setting the time a cop can execute a warrant! Presidents issuing hundreds of executive fiat orders!

All in the name of social thought!

What will save us from a US Code which sets the degree a pinky should extend at tea?
I stopped reading after "tunnel vision SJW view."
 
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Your posting & time spent here provides virtually endless evidence to the contrary…
Note that - by his own admission - reading the statute was not a necessary or desirable part of his offering his opinion about the rule, much less the background info.

He already knows all he wants to know, just by seeing who wrote a post, because the unexamined and uninformed views are ALWAYS the best.
 
Looks to me like he was perfectly willing the read a post from you, until he saw it was more of your usual bullshit.

Who was the poster who wailed so loudly about posters calling him racist during the Trump Administration? The name-calling made him unable to engage on a serious level with any other discourse on the topic. It seems like that guy would be outraged by someone starting a post with that sort of bullshit. 🤷‍♂️
 
So quoting the statute and the rule in posts about a new statute and a new rule is bullshit.

Good to know.

It's too bad you couldn't leave out the kind of stupid insults you used to bemoan and just move on to the rest of the post. You had a good thread going until you decided to ruin in with bullshit.
 
It's too bad you couldn't leave out the kind of stupid insults you used to bemoan and just move on to the rest of the post. You had a good thread going until you decided to ruin in with bullshit.
I disagree.

It seems those who dish it out can’t take it, and the use of pithy insults is reserved for the lefties here. Same old. One rule for them, and a different rule for everyone else.
 
It's too bad you couldn't leave out the kind of stupid insults you used to bemoan and just move on to the rest of the post. You had a good thread going until you decided to ruin in with bullshit.

Yabbut, the Libs are mean to him.
 
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Yabbut, the Libs are mean to him.
You regularly advocate for & extoll your politicians adopting the tactics of the other party, now when the shoe’s on the other foot some of you want to complain about it. Hoosbutt wants to complain about stupid insults? Puhlease…
 
You regularly advocate for & extoll your politicians adopting the tactics of the other party, now when the shoe’s on the other foot some of you want to complain about it. Hoosbutt wants to complain about stupid insults? Puhlease…

I'm not even going to try and decipher that.
 
Note that - by his own admission - reading the statute was not a necessary or desirable part of his offering his opinion about the rule, much less the background info.

He already knows all he wants to know, just by seeing who wrote a post, because the unexamined and uninformed views are ALWAYS the best.
All I did was state that I saw nothing objectionable about the rule. Rather than maturely offer the things you find objectionable for discussion, you immediately jumped to making presumptions about my motivations while strongly suggesting I was both dishonest and stupid.

I won't engage in a discussion on your terms when your terms are that you get to be an asshole. Seeing as you're actually almost as old as Marvin, you should have the ability to change your terms to both of us act as adults. When you do that, I'll come back.
 
Something is missing in this thread. No Knock Warrants is the subject. I can't believe that our founding Fathers, {much me lined today} would approve of such ideas. Where is the right found in the constitution or the first 10 amendments? It is the War on Drugs that is playing out in our major cities. These cities for the most part are ruled by liberals who have hired many Black Police Chiefs to reform their out of control police departments. They have failed. You can't reform a Police Dept. and also support police unions. The guy who used Taylor as a shield when the shooting started was within his rights to shoot back. Maybe not under current practice, which I profess to be unconstitutional. The system that allows no knock warrants is outside of the original bounds of a Republic. Stop the war on drugs. Letting people choose to die from drugs is better than what is happening today.
 
All I did was state that I saw nothing objectionable about the rule. Rather than maturely offer the things you find objectionable for discussion, you immediately jumped to making presumptions about my motivations while strongly suggesting I was both dishonest and stupid.

I won't engage in a discussion on your terms when your terms are that you get to be an asshole. Seeing as you're actually almost as old as Marvin, you should have the ability to change your terms to both of us act as adults. When you do that, I'll come back.
Make presumptions about your motivations?
Suggesting you are stupid and dishonest?

I did none of that - you imagined it so you could be all butt hurt.

After CoHoosier asked questions, I quoted the rule.
After you commented, I quoted the WHOLE STATUTE lot give the whole picture.
You didn't read it because you preferred to get yourself intentionally offended by me calling your idea "the tunnel vision SJW view," and so you make a post about me instead of the law.

Remember when you and Rockfish used to say "that's stupid," and then when someone objected you'd say "I didn't call YOU stupid - I called your IDEA stupid." Well, look in the mirror and put on your big boy pants. Or your lawyer pants. But stop putting words in my mouth.
 
Make presumptions about your motivations?
Suggesting you are stupid and dishonest?

I did none of that - you imagined it so you could be all butt hurt.

After CoHoosier asked questions, I quoted the rule.
After you commented, I quoted the WHOLE STATUTE lot give the whole picture.
You didn't read it because you preferred to get yourself intentionally offended by me calling your idea "the tunnel vision SJW view," and so you make a post about me instead of the law.

Remember when you and Rockfish used to say "that's stupid," and then when someone objected you'd say "I didn't call YOU stupid - I called your IDEA stupid." Well, look in the mirror and put on your big boy pants. Or your lawyer pants. But stop putting words in my mouth.
The offer stands, nonetheless.
 
I disagree.

It seems those who dish it out can’t take it, and the use of pithy insults is reserved for the lefties here. Same old. One rule for them, and a different rule for everyone else.

I'm sure you do. It's too bad that you're are all the things you complain about. As you've ably shown in this thread, you have both the ability to engender interesting discussion and the ability to sabotage it. It's a shame that you most regularly choose the latter.
 
You regularly advocate for & extoll your politicians adopting the tactics of the other party, now when the shoe’s on the other foot some of you want to complain about it. Hoosbutt wants to complain about stupid insults? Puhlease…

While we're on the topic of stupid insults, it pains me that "Hoosbutt" is the best insult you could come up with. ;)
 
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