Today with our starting lineup i we have totally dominated but we we make the mass substitutions it hurts the rythm of the team.
Need to stick with 7 or 8 man rotation
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I am not just talking about this game because the sub pattern is the one thing i really don't like how Crean coaches. To me when you have a good flow to the game there is no need to make mass substitutions that stops that flow.
Will you please take an English course.
No, I was a business major and work with numbers. Also who cares if you have perfect grammar on a message board. Why not get a life or learn about the actual game instead of critiqueing something so minor.
interesting because you've literally lectured everyone on this board 1000 times about how you don't care about style as long as it's working and that they should keep their complaints to themselves.
i agree with your point but maybe you can ease up on the lectures?
I think that Coach is using McRoberts as a motivational piece to show that hard work will earn playing time. Hopefully our players will pick up on the message.
You think that green does not deserve PT?
Yep, this the time to get everyone lots of minutes against cupcakes so more guys are ready to play when/if needed and have experience playing in different combinations. In the bigger games Crean can cut down his rotation if needed.
McRoberts struggled early, but is hustling on defense. He has brought some of the things that Hartman would have given us. Morgan had assumed that role, but didn't play well at FW while McRoberts was solid. I'm not a huge fan of the +/- stat, but our team defense does seem to improve with him in the game. Crean touted +/- numbers that were favorable with McRoberts in the FW game, although it is too early to give him credit. I wouldn't ignore it if we find +/- numbers with a particular 5 man lineup consistently favors one group over another. It could be a good passer that doesn't turn the ball over and plays good defense is needed in the game.
There may be games we need to limit our rotation, but I do want to see McSwain, Green, and McRoberts get some minutes whenever they can. All three can help over a long season.
There may be games we need to limit our rotation, but I do want to see McSwain, Green, and McRoberts get some minutes whenever they can. All three can help over a long season.
I agree with Scott's top 8 but don't have a problem with the large rotations during these pre-conference games. McRoberts is being productive and making glue plays. He has earned some time. I expect he'll go back to the bench but is proven to be a player who can contribute.
I'm really like CuJo and how well he handles the ball and makes plays. I already like him better than Newkirk. Right now, IMO, Jones is clearly ahead of Green. Green has a bright future at IU. His day will come with some experience. Maybe they both pass Newkirk in the rotation over the course of the season.
I'm really like CuJo and how well he handles the ball and makes plays. I already like him better than Newkirk. Right now, IMO, Jones is clearly ahead of Green. Green has a bright future at IU. His day will come with some experience. Maybe they both pass Newkirk in the rotation over the course of the season.
The inevitable problem with Crean's philosophy of positionless basketball is that those players who are not great ball-handlers and/or shooters are asked to do both. Some have the capacity to hone those skills to a high degree, but a good number do not. I'm off topic...My rotation would be..
Cujo
Rojo
McRoberts
OG
Bryant
JBJ
Davis
Morgan
Newkirk
Green
Cujo
Rojo
McRoberts
OG
Bryant
JBJ
Davis
Morgan
Newkirk
Green
"Tom Crean subs his teams out of games" - Doug Goltlieb
Wish in one hand and chit in the other Scotty... See which comes first. He had Victor Oladipo sit for 10+ minutes in some important games.
I can't believe I have to pull out the Doug Gotlieb quote.
Wish in one hand and chit in the other Scotty... See which comes first. He had Victor Oladipo sit for 10+ minutes in some important games.
I can't believe I have to pull out the Doug Gotlieb quote.
Crean was touting the +/- stats again after the Mississippi Valley game. Bragging about how they were +28 with McRoberts in the game, which had more to do with the fact he was playing with the other 4 starters and against one of the worst teams in D1. McRoberts shouldn't be playing unless IU has foul trouble or the game is out of hand. It's typical Crean overthinking the situation. He can't help himself.
I really want Crean to win big at IU and often...but, the lean years are too lean and the good years arent good enough. Long year, so still think there is a chance IU does something special. Boy, that '17 class sure needs some work.
If you play 10 games and notice over that time that a certain lineup has a combined +/- better than other lineup combinations, it could mean something. Individual +/- numbers don't mean as much to me. If the +/- numbers do reveal some clear differences, it would require analysis of why those 5 are more productive together.
If it turns out that McRoberts makes the lineup better, play him. He is a D1 scholarship capable player with one year of experience that is walking on. I would put him with McSwain on the depth chart. He seems to have earned playing time.
LOL!....
do you really think anyone believes you know what you're talking about? Here - get some awareness and quit trying to BS people - you're like a Justin Beiber fan discussing music and it's very obvious.
Too many variables in situations and in opponent's lineup that it's completely worthless. There is no team plus minus rating, that's called the score.
I know a few coaches that have managers and GAs track every lineup and the time and score when the line up changes
Maybe data like this can be useful to coaches that truly understand the game. But, when something in your formula tells you to sub in Ryan Burton at the 11:00 minute mark of almost every game you are not doing it right. I'm fully aware that many great coaches use analytics, but there is no substitute for being an old-fashioned badass. Some combination of bad assery and analytics is probably ideal for the college game. (Stevens)
Thinking Crean is going to throw out a 7 or 8 man rotation, after showing no ability or desire to do so in 9 years, is the definition of insanity. We could have the Warriors starting lineup, with Lebron and Westbrook coming off the bench. Crean would still find time for McRoberts.
It's a lot like his 2-3 zone he loves to throw out there. He does it because he sees other coaches who utilize long benches and sprinkle in zone to catch the defense off guard. Kind of like a child mimicking his parents. He doesn't know why they're doing what they're doing, just that they're smarter and he should follow their lead.
It's a lot like his 2-3 zone he loves to throw out there. He does it because he sees other coaches who utilize long benches and sprinkle in zone to catch the defense off guard. Kind of like a child mimicking his parents. He doesn't know why they're doing what they're doing, just that they're smarter and he should follow their lead.
Both Crean and Scott are gone. This is over 2 years old. Is your reading comprehension that slow?
I sure wish the trolls around here would stick to a 7 or 8 man rotation.
How is that a team like Villanova who was national champions 2 years ago managed to play a 7-8 man rotation despite having 12 scholarship players?
Easy. They had 7 or 8 really good players, which is the problem with IU’s roster. They don’t have 7 or 8 really good players, next year, and Archie should have signed two more really good players.
You're insinuating that Archie wouldn't have signed 2 more players if they were really good players. The issue is signing 2 players for the sake of filling 2 empty scholarships. Would you have felt better about yourself if we had 13 players on scholarship but still ran a 7-8 man rotation because players 12 and 13 were nowhere close to being ready to contribute? I was responding to a stupid comment about running a 7-8 man rotation based on the number of scholarship players. Purdue essentially had 10 scholarship players last year (11 if you count Eifert who was recruited as a walk-on) and still managed to run a 7-8 man rotation, and outside Carsen Edwards I wouldn't consider the rest of those guys really good players, simply players who knew their role.
And if Indiana did sign 2 really good players and still only played a 7-9 man rotation (which most teams do anyway), you're comment holds no water. Indiana has more than enough players on scholarship next year
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I'm insinuating I don't give a sh#t why Archie was unable to sign more talented players. He is paid 3+ million dollars to sign talented players and put together talented rosters. The problem with our roster, next year, is we don't have 7 or 8 talented players and guys like Brooks would have helped. Instead of people admitting he screwed up, they make a nonsensical argument about signing crappy players.
I guess he could recruit an entire team of Jimmy Chitwoods and win a title.
No, they are saying this is the team Archie built and we’ll see how they play. We won’t know if he screwed up or not for several months. Lol
But feel free to be pre-emotional if waiting for things to play out is beyond your scope...
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