NCAA will have no problem with Kansas

[hometownfan]

Hell, if they didn't care about UNC giving out free "A's" for not going to class, and they had no problems with Kansas and Arizona giving players bags of money to play at there schools why would they care about a little fight at the end of a rivalry game? Even though the player with the chair above his head should be charged with assault. I'm still mad about us killing our basketball program over a few illegal calls, so I'm sorry if my rant offended anyone!

 

[HurryinHoosiers]

That was impressive. Reminded me of “Malice in the Palace”

 

[iubud]

Self and KU sure can't be trusted to do the right thing on punishment. The NCAA is feckless but you have to think some long suspensions are in order. Wouldn't it be funny if KU received a post season ban for this instead of paying players? Karma is a bitch.

 

[largemouth]

Self will probably sit a couple of them the first half against a weak opponent.

 

[iubud]

Self will probably sit a couple of them the first half against a weak opponent.

I thought leaving the bench was an automatic suspension. Both teams had enough of that to make playing their next game difficult. KU had 3 players in particular that might serve longer penalties.

I thought I heard that ESPN was going to do a live broadcast from KU. Maybe their next game? That should be cancelled. It sends a bad message to reward a school already on shaky ground with the free publicity of ESPN coming to their house.

 

[kkott]

Self will probably sit a couple of them the first half against a weak opponent.

I don't doubt that if he has influence, the suspension will be favorable to KU, but I think this one has already blown up to the point that it will mandate pretty serious suspensions. Self may not have a choice and I think the AD, influenced by the NCAA chirping in his ear will impose a pretty serious (multi-game) suspension. With his earlier issues I would expect DeSouza's punishment will be more severe. I think the KSU (redshirt?) player in the black and white outfit will get pretty serious punishment for leaving the bench and not even being dressed. I would expect a minimum of 5 games for DeSouza and up to suspension for the season. Given his history, he may have played his last game at KU, but we'll see.

 

[ufo33]

I don't doubt that if he has influence, the suspension will be favorable to KU, but I think this one has already blown up to the point that it will mandate pretty serious suspensions. Self may not have a choice and I think the AD, influenced by the NCAA chirping in his ear will impose a pretty serious (multi-game) suspension. With his earlier issues I would expect DeSouza's punishment will be more severe. I think the KSU (redshirt?) player in the black and white outfit will get pretty serious punishment for leaving the bench and not even being dressed. I would expect a minimum of 5 games for DeSouza and up to suspension for the season. Given his history, he may have played his last game at KU, but we'll see.

It is time to can Self and put KU on probation.
Zero institutional control.
13 straight Big 12 Titles!
Just win baby, rules are for losers.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Hell, if they didn't care about UNC giving out free "A's" for not going to class, and they had no problems with Kansas and Arizona giving players bags of money to play at there schools why would they care about a little fight at the end of a rivalry game? Even though the player with the chair above his head should be charged with assault. I'm still mad about us killing our basketball program over a few illegal calls, so I'm sorry if my rant offended anyone!

Self said he was embarrassed by the brawl.

He later explained "Hey, I play them to play, not to fight!"

 

[largemouth]

I thought leaving the bench was an automatic suspension. Both teams had enough of that to make playing their next game difficult. KU had 3 players in particular that might serve longer penalties.

I thought I heard that ESPN was going to do a live broadcast from KU. Maybe their next game? That should be cancelled. It sends a bad message to reward a school already on shaky ground with the free publicity of ESPN coming to their house.

I was being sarcastic. Every player on the floor should get at least a one game suspension. Those more involved should receive more severe punishment.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

Self said he was embarrassed by the brawl.

He later explained "Hey, I play them to play, not to fight!"

He meant to say "Hey, I pay them to play, not to fight".

 

[bailey777]

Hell, if they didn't care about UNC giving out free "A's" for not going to class, and they had no problems with Kansas and Arizona giving players bags of money to play at there schools why would they care about a little fight at the end of a rivalry game? Even though the player with the chair above his head should be charged with assault. I'm still mad about us killing our basketball program over a few illegal calls, so I'm sorry if my rant offended anyone!

Sean miller walked away clean as a whistle and so will self. Case is already closed.

 

[iubud]

I was being sarcastic. Every player on the floor should get at least a one game suspension. Those more involved should receive more severe punishment.

I can't remember a time where too many suspensions would leave a team unable to play. Would the NCAA allow staggered suspensions to avoid a forfeit?

Best case would be a group of walk ons were smart enough to stayed on the bench to get their first and only start.

There are one or more that may miss significant games, but only if the NCAA makes the call. KU may just fine them.

 

[go_iu]

Sean miller walked away clean as a whistle and so will self. Case is already closed.

Same with the LSU coach, it is case closed. Paying for players is going to become a reality. What would help is if the one and done rule ended so that players that want to be paid and should be paid , with pro teams willing to pay them aren't forced to go to college. If the NCAA wants to regain control and avoid this BS legislation from CA and not have some players getting paid and others not ... end the one and done, it will sort out naturally.

 

[kkott]

I thought leaving the bench was an automatic suspension. Both teams had enough of that to make playing their next game difficult. KU had 3 players in particular that might serve longer penalties.

I thought I heard that ESPN was going to do a live broadcast from KU. Maybe their next game? That should be cancelled. It sends a bad message to reward a school already on shaky ground with the free publicity of ESPN coming to their house.

They ended up having to bring 5 players on each team back out from the locker room to shoot technicals and make the game "official". I don't know if the report was factual, but they said each team only had 5 players available who weren't involved or left the bench. That seems to "clean" that each team happened to have 5 players, but I did take it to mean that both teams will have multiple suspensions for throwing a punch or leaving the bench.

 

[jsig]

Snoop Dog is making a song about this brawl for next years opening of the season.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Hell, if they didn't care about UNC giving out free "A's" for not going to class, and they had no problems with Kansas and Arizona giving players bags of money to play at there schools why would they care about a little fight at the end of a rivalry game? Even though the player with the chair above his head should be charged with assault. I'm still mad about us killing our basketball program over a few illegal calls, so I'm sorry if my rant offended anyone!

Anyone who hasn't seen the video ought to watch it. My favorite part was when one assistant coach went flying out of the picture.....kind of hard to catch, but pretty damn funny.

 

[iubud]

They ended up having to bring 5 players on each team back out from the locker room to shoot technicals and make the game "official". I don't know if the report was factual, but they said each team only had 5 players available who weren't involved or left the bench. That seems to "clean" that each team happened to have 5 players, but I did take it to mean that both teams will have multiple suspensions for throwing a punch or leaving the bench.

I saw a KSU player shooting free throws and saw the refs reviewing the video. I thought the refs had the discretion to end the game in a situation like this. There could have been 10 or more technical fouls per team called if they wanted to. It seemed pointless to me unless it could have affected the outcome of the game.

There is a high school in Evansville that has a long history of fights during and after games. They had a fight in the stands last week that sent people running on the floor to escape. The teams were removed to the locker room. That is a new twist that is disturbing.

 

[MrBing]

Sean miller walked away clean as a whistle and so will self. Case is already closed.

You don't know that the Arizona case isn't closed? The NCAA gave them a notice of allegations and Kansas has to reply in February. It isn't closed.

 

[kkott]

I saw a KSU player shooting free throws and saw the refs reviewing the video. I thought the refs had the discretion to end the game in a situation like this. There could have been 10 or more technical fouls per team called if they wanted to. It seemed pointless to me unless it could have affected the outcome of the game.

There is a high school in Evansville that has a long history of fights during and after games. They had a fight in the stands last week that sent people running on the floor to escape. The teams were removed to the locker room. That is a new twist that is disturbing.

No idea how they determined the technicals, but they showed 10 players on the court while a KSU player was shooting and the stands were pretty empty. I don't know, but I don't think they assessed any techs on KSU. Agreed, it seemed silly but I assumed it was an NCAA requirement. I'm sure Jay Bilas will have the solution by noon.

 

[bailey777]

Same with the LSU coach, it is case closed. Paying for players is going to become a reality. What would help is if the one and done rule ended so that players that want to be paid and should be paid , with pro teams willing to pay them aren't forced to go to college. If the NCAA wants to regain control and avoid this BS legislation from CA and not have some players getting paid and others not ... end the one and done, it will sort out naturally.

Remember when the scandal broke people said this will change college basketball forever and big name programs would get hammered? I just laughed cause I knew it would be swept under the rug.

 

[iubud]

No idea how they determined the technicals, but they showed 10 players on the court while a KSU player was shooting and the stands were pretty empty. I don't know, but I don't think they assessed any techs on KSU. Agreed, it seemed silly but I assumed it was an NCAA requirement. I'm sure Jay Bilas will have the solution by noon.

Unless I saw it wrong, I thought a player in street clothes from KSU jumped early off the bench after the KU player stood over the person that took the ball away. Maybe he was reacting to something he saw coming from the KU bench or the players on the court. The start of the fight will be debated. What happened after it started should carry the stiffer penalties. The player (Dsouza?) holding the chair and the three that seemed to be working over someone on the ground should be the focus. Many were trying to hold them back. I think discretion can be made for people leaving the bench to pull their own players back. Security wasn't getting it under control. It takes a big person to hold back a big pissed off player.They also may be more likely to not resist a team mate pulling them back than a stranger or opposing team mate.

I was in Boston on business when my adult church league team had a bench clearing brawl. I am glad I wasn't there. It was embarrassing for those that participated and were kicked out of the league.

 

[Zeester]

I don't doubt that if he has influence, the suspension will be favorable to KU, but I think this one has already blown up to the point that it will mandate pretty serious suspensions. Self may not have a choice and I think the AD, influenced by the NCAA chirping in his ear will impose a pretty serious (multi-game) suspension. With his earlier issues I would expect DeSouza's punishment will be more severe. I think the KSU (redshirt?) player in the black and white outfit will get pretty serious punishment for leaving the bench and not even being dressed. I would expect a minimum of 5 games for DeSouza and up to suspension for the season. Given his history, he may have played his last game at KU, but we'll see.

DeSouza should be gone - he picked up a chair and was threatening to hit someone with it.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

I saw a KSU player shooting free throws and saw the refs reviewing the video. I thought the refs had the discretion to end the game in a situation like this. There could have been 10 or more technical fouls per team called if they wanted to. It seemed pointless to me unless it could have affected the outcome of the game.

There is a high school in Evansville that has a long history of fights during and after games. They had a fight in the stands last week that sent people running on the floor to escape. The teams were removed to the locker room. That is a new twist that is disturbing.

Bosse?

 

[HoosiersChamps]

DeSouza should be gone - he picked up a chair and was threatening to hit someone with it.

The kid does have a future in WWF though.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Unless I saw it wrong, I thought a player in street clothes from KSU jumped early off the bench after the KU player stood over the person that took the ball away. Maybe he was reacting to something he saw coming from the KU bench or the players on the court. The start of the fight will be debated. What happened after it started should carry the stiffer penalties. The player (Dsouza?) holding the chair and the three that seemed to be working over someone on the ground should be the focus. Many were trying to hold them back. I think discretion can be made for people leaving the bench to pull their own players back. Security wasn't getting it under control. It takes a big person to hold back a big pissed off player.They also may be more likely to not resist a team mate pulling them back than a stranger or opposing team mate.

I was in Boston on business when my adult church league team had a bench clearing brawl. I am glad I wasn't there. It was embarrassing for those that participated and were kicked out of the league.

The guy they were working over was the same guy who ran in from the bench. Apparently he was an "injured" player.....if you watch the tape, he emerges from the beat pile, and walks off to the stands. pretty funny stuff.

On a related matter....how much would it suck to be a KSU basketball fan? Kansas waxes them all the time, gets away with everything, and now has physically kicked their ass.

 

[iubud]

Bosse?

Yes.

Fights at Enlow Field between Bosse kids and the post game fights between Bosse and whatever team they played used to be common. I learned to leave early.

 

[iubud]

The guy they were working over was the same guy who ran in from the bench. Apparently he was an "injured" player.....if you watch the tape, he emerges from the beat pile, and walks off to the stands. pretty funny stuff.

On a related matter....how much would it suck to be a KSU basketball fan? Kansas waxes them all the time, gets away with everything, and now has physically kicked their ass.

From what I saw, KU won the fight on the court. We will see if they pay any price for it. They probably get pushed to #1 next week.

The only sporting events that are entertaining anymore are games between 2nd and 3rd graders where they don't keep score. Even those can get screwed up by adults.

 

[ufo33]

Sean miller walked away clean as a whistle and so will self. Case is already closed.

I doubt it is completely closed for Self

 

[ufo33]

Kansas is completely out of control.
Self through Adidas paying $100K for players.
Snoop Dog at Midnight at the Phoog with Stippers on poles, shooting the money cannon toward KU recruits.
Bill Self wearing $ Bill rapper chains in an Adidas shirt thus doubling down on his corrupt bad boy image, and basically giving the NCAA the double bird.
Players fighting and assaulting a rival team on the court, Minnesota vs Luke Witte style.
Kansas has zero institutional control over it's Men's Basketball program.

 

[BusdriverE]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought of malice at the palace, did you you see the KU fan in white hat,backwards, trying to hold DeSousa back as he was headed towards the stands? Think just instinct kicked in w/o thinking it thru

 

[kkott]

From what I saw, KU won the fight on the court. We will see if they pay any price for it. They probably get pushed to #1 next week.

The only sporting events that are entertaining anymore are games between 2nd and 3rd graders where they don't keep score. Even those can get screwed up by adults.

Yeah, I think the helicopter parent syndrome is so bad now, no age group is safe. I remember the youngest age my son played, which was like 5-6, they did what I thought was a pretty good idea. They had 5 different color wrist bands and you were supposed to color code them for your best-worst player (might have just been best player wears yellow or something). That way each teams best players were guarding one another, on down the line. It also helped young kids with a visual of where their man was at all times, so I thought it helped the kids learn to stick with their man. They still kept score, but I thought that was a good intro and would help keep games more competitive. One really good kid can torch an entire team at that age and this helped keep a better player on him. Anyway, there was 1 hard core coach/team and their coach had his players coverup their wristbands with their other hands (Nice job, Coach Douchebag!). Not surprisingly, this kids Dad harranged the refs and his son and other players all game, as did his Mom and grandparents on the sideline. Not to be outdone, my son's coach, who was a nice guy but pretty intense got T'd up and booted for dropping an F bomb. And this was an entry level 5-6yo Y rec league! That's about when I decided to start coaching so I could hang with the kids and not the annoying parents in the stands.

 

[Birnk403]

Kansas is completely out of control.
Self through Adidas paying $100K for players.
Snoop Dog at Midnight at the Phoog with Stippers on poles, shooting the money cannon toward KU recruits.
Bill Self wearing $ Bill rapper chains in an Adidas shirt thus doubling down on his corrupt bad boy image, and basically giving the NCAA the double bird.
Players fighting and assaulting a rival team on the court, Minnesota vs Luke Witte style.
Kansas has zero institutional control over it's Men's Basketball program.

Have you considered decaf or, better yet, sodium Pentothal? Either would help.

 

[mobilehoosier]

Yes.

Fights at Enlow Field between Bosse kids and the post game fights between Bosse and whatever team they played used to be common. I learned to leave early.

Been going on for decades at Enlow. Most fights not by Bosse kids. How do I know? My cousin is currently an Asst Principal at Bosse. Go Hoosiers!

 

[iubud]

Yeah, I think the helicopter parent syndrome is so bad now, no age group is safe. I remember the youngest age my son played, which was like 5-6, they did what I thought was a pretty good idea. They had 5 different color wrist bands and you were supposed to color code them for your best-worst player (might have just been best player wears yellow or something). That way each teams best players were guarding one another, on down the line. It also helped young kids with a visual of where their man was at all times, so I thought it helped the kids learn to stick with their man. They still kept score, but I thought that was a good intro and would help keep games more competitive. One really good kid can torch an entire team at that age and this helped keep a better player on him. Anyway, there was 1 hard core coach/team and their coach had his players coverup their wristbands with their other hands (Nice job, Coach Douchebag!). Not surprisingly, this kids Dad harranged the refs and his son and other players all game, as did his Mom and grandparents on the sideline. Not to be outdone, my son's coach, who was a nice guy but pretty intense got T'd up and booted for dropping an F bomb. And this was an entry level 5-6yo Y rec league! That's about when I decided to start coaching so I could hang with the kids and not the annoying parents in the stands.

I started coaching after I saw a coach screaming at a kid in the league for 1st graders. I wanted to make sure my kid and others didn't have to play for a coach like that.

The feeder league I coached in had rules that encouraged development while giving the kids of all abilities a chance to play competitively. There was always one or two mentally or physically challenged kids that we would let score or dribble the ball without stealing it. My son didn't understand we were letting this one kid shoot and came flying in with the most devastating clean block you could imagine. The ref looked at me and I said "that is a two shot foul, right?" They let him take the shots from wherever he wanted and he made one. My son wanted to hide.

My secret wasn't to teach kids plays, but I ran a lot of pick and roll. Every kid learned how to set a pick and roll to the basket so the guard could get them the ball.

Because we matched our players up by size or ability, even the worst player had a chance to score if they set a screen, rolled to the basket correctly, and could catch the ball. As the season went on, this became the base for a motion offense when I showed them they could screen for someone without the ball. Pass and screen away. By the tournament, we could run motion well enough to get good shots from more than one or two players. When the motion broke down, they learned to hold a screen to allow a drive to the basket.

I was the RMK of our 4th and 5th grade booster league.

 

[iubud]

Been going on for decades at Enlow. Most fights not by Bosse kids. How do I know? My cousin is currently an Asst Principal at Bosse. Go Hoosiers!

If it is who I think it is, she was my daughter's middle school volleyball coach. The AD was my daughter's basketball coach. They are making progress with the staff they have brought in. The AD will continue to do the right thing.

The recent fight was unfortunate as they are trying hard to change their image. My daughter teaches future Bulldogs in a school with a lot of poverty and kids with unfortunate family life

 

[BigNutsIUFan]

Suspended with pay upon further investigation.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Kansas is completely out of control.
Self through Adidas paying $100K for players.
Snoop Dog at Midnight at the Phoog with Stippers on poles, shooting the money cannon toward KU recruits.
Bill Self wearing $ Bill rapper chains in an Adidas shirt thus doubling down on his corrupt bad boy image, and basically giving the NCAA the double bird.
Players fighting and assaulting a rival team on the court, Minnesota vs Luke Witte style.
Kansas has zero institutional control over it's Men's Basketball program.

Well yes, but at least he hasn't sent improper texts.

The Snoop Dog event was a night of cultural enrichment.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I started coaching after I saw a coach screaming at a kid in the league for 1st graders. I wanted to make sure my kid and others didn't have to play for a coach like that.

The feeder league I coached in had rules that encouraged development while giving the kids of all abilities a chance to play competitively. There was always one or two mentally or physically challenged kids that we would let score or dribble the ball without stealing it. My son didn't understand we were letting this one kid shoot and came flying in with the most devastating clean block you could imagine. The ref looked at me and I said "that is a two shot foul, right?" They let him take the shots from wherever he wanted and he made one. My son wanted to hide.

My secret wasn't to teach kids plays, but I ran a lot of pick and roll. Every kid learned how to set a pick and roll to the basket so the guard could get them the ball.

Because we matched our players up by size or ability, even the worst player had a chance to score if they set a screen, rolled to the basket correctly, and could catch the ball. As the season went on, this became the base for a motion offense when I showed them they could screen for someone without the ball. Pass and screen away. By the tournament, we could run motion well enough to get good shots from more than one or two players. When the motion broke down, they learned to hold a screen to allow a drive to the basket.

I was the RMK of our 4th and 5th grade booster league.

I still have nightmares from coaching my Daughter's 6th grade elementary team. I coached a lot of my kids' teams in various sports, but that was the team from hell.

 

[wi_hoosier]

Hell, if they didn't care about UNC giving out free "A's" for not going to class, and they had no problems with Kansas and Arizona giving players bags of money to play at there schools why would they care about a little fight at the end of a rivalry game? Even though the player with the chair above his head should be charged with assault. I'm still mad about us killing our basketball program over a few illegal calls, so I'm sorry if my rant offended anyone!

I heard Kansas has already done an internal investigation of the so called "fight" last night...

They found that nothing happened and they did nothing wrong.

 

[ufo33]

Kansas is completely out of control.
Self through Adidas paying $100K for players.
Snoop Dog at Midnight at the Phoog with Stippers on poles, shooting the money cannon toward KU recruits.
Bill Self wearing $ Bill rapper chains in an Adidas shirt thus doubling down on his corrupt bad boy image, and basically giving the NCAA the double bird.
Players fighting and assaulting a rival team on the court, Minnesota vs Luke Witte style.
Kansas has zero institutional control over it's Men's Basketball program.

Suspend Self
Postseason ban, pending Shoe money payments to players with Self.
What did Minnesota get when they assaulted and kicked Luke Witte on the ground?