National Red Flag Law.
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It would have to be a very narrow set of parameters. Like the two you listed.
Think of the depression screening that physicians were required to perform…the answers on that form (or a similar one) shouldn’t necessarily preclude a person from buying a gun.
What do we do with all the mentally ill homeless folks? There’s probably no records of their illness?
Would these have stopped any of the most horrendous mass murders (eg, Uvalde, Buffalo, Columbine)? Mental health issues are woefully under-diagnosed, especially for young men.
We’ll never document all of them, but documenting most would be helpful.
Those folks probably aren't doing a lot of shopping at gun stores.
Did the 18 year old nut that just killed a lot of children buy at a gun shop? My point with the question is we seem to do nothing with the mentally ill whether they’re sleeping on the streets or in homes.
Have they said where he got the money yet? I seem to have missed it.
BTW I’d be fine with all the restrictions Aloha mentioned except a kid 18 and over should be able to buy a shotgun or rifle to hunt.
Yes, he bought it from a licensed dealer the day after he turned 18. The next day, he bought 375 rounds of ammo, and two days after that, he bought another rifle.
I doubt the banning of those types of rifles are possible but restrictions of some sort can surely be done.
Technically speaking, I'm not sure what the regs would look like, but there has to be a way. A .308 or .30-06 is technically more powerful than an AR-15 chambered in .223, but it's far less dangerous in a mass shooting situation. There has to be a way of separating the guns that are good for hunting from the guns that are best suited for shooting up elementary schools.
I agree. I am no expert on guns. I’ve owned one small hand gun my whole life and only shot it when my son’s father in law was teaching me how to use it after I bought it a few years ago.
If they could just start with some simple things Aloha mentioned tonight that’s at least a start.
My son’s father in law is a gun enthusiast. He has many guns. Old, new and all between. He’d throw a fit about any restrictions. He has a large safe they’re locked up in and he’s taught all three of his daughters how to use them. I don’t believe he even hunts. Just collects them and shoots target in his back yard sometimes.
Problem with any mental health red flag law is Hippa. It contradicts the law. Plus who is going to keep track? The FBI absolutely sucks at tracking laws now. The current databases aren’t working. Will this be left up to the states? Feds? Very complicated.
Any round is just as deadly. For instance none of the rounds mentioned are deadlier than a 22. A 22 round has killed more people than any caliber.
A federal red flag law has inherent problems that render it useless. The confiscation orders would be issued by federal courts and enforced by US Marshals. There simply aren’t enough.
State red flag laws are fine, but the primary usefulness is suicide prevention and domestic violence Prevention, they would have zero effect on urban black kids shooting each other and marginal effect on mass murder.
It will work if there is real legal liability associated with failing to properly identify clearly dangerous people buying military grade weapons.
Who’s the judge? Who’s libel? The problem is the laws already contradict. Hippa laws say so. There’s already laws banning and confiscating for domestic disputes. Very hard to get past these.
I don’t remember my age, most likely 13-15. I went rabbit hunting with a friend at my grandparents property. He was on top of a brush pile scaring rabbits out. So a rabbit takes off from the brush and he’s following it and his shotgun site line is heading to me. I laid flat on the ground as he shot the rabbit with pellets flying over me. I’ve not been hunting since that day. Lol.
I got a .22 when I was 10... Still haven't shot anything but a target with it...
We sort of blow up the narrative don't we...😉
*** Any chance good parenting (or complete lack of) just might just be a major factor in all of these shootings...*** Just spitballing here...😎🇺🇸
Still haven't seen anything out there that actually will affect the actual "mass shootings" that take place on a "nightly" basis in every Democratic run city in the country... Nobody cares about that??? You'd think that would be a Democratic priority...
Instead of focusing on the fact that the school shootings were all done by literally certifiable types, nearly all of whom where easily identifiable beforehand (based on the profiles of the scum that did them) its easier for the pols to focus on the firearm type and whip up the mob...
Identifying these individuals is the Key... That and commonsense defense indepth at the schools themselves...
If a nut can't get AR they'll find another way...
And I don't care if another AR is ever produced or not... Doesn't affect me in any way... I just know the reality is that they could ban them tomorrow and it wouldn't effect much of anything... Makes for great sound bites and posturing though...
BB gun at 8,
20 gauge at 12,
0.22 rifle at maybe 13
Normal on a farm
Probably not so normal if I lived in a ritzy Carmel neighborhood.
20 gauge at 12,
0.22 rifle at maybe 13
Normal on a farm
Probably not so normal if I lived in a ritzy Carmel neighborhood.
AFAIK,
Currently you are only flagged if you have actually been institutionalized for mental illness or have committed a crime. So the shooters have generally NOT been identified by existing protocols.
Only when you get down to the level of making threats on social media or confiding your crazed killer fantasies to someone who is able to somehow to rat you out would you get identified.
We have to get comfortable with people being labeled as dangerous even if they have committed no crime or lived in a padded cell.
I still remember it- a Christmas present. My favorite Xmas gift at that time, though at some point a bike ("10 speed", LOL) topped it.
And those flags get purged regularly. Current system sucks and every stinking bill being pushed uses existing infrastructure. So basically nothing is being done.
Let's work together to make it so they can't get that AR and then we can see if you were right or not.
The gun discussion seems to be one of the few where people are willing to just throw their hands up and do nothing, rather than trying and seeing if it might work or at least help.
I think politicians do that but the public feel they are helpless. Problem is most of the public are ignorant on policy, laws and in general firearm knowledge. That’s a very bad combination. Hard to have a conversation with comprehension and context problems.
I didn't vote on this topic because I'm literally 50/50 on it... At face value, my knee jerk reaction is: it seems to be a "no brainer, let's do it"..., but given some indepth thought about how it could be misused and weaponized by whichever party is running things or even just weaponized by an individuals collective personal enemies it becomes seriously concerning...
I think we should strengthen the Red Flag laws at the state level (where they're much easier to tweak and stay on top of in the state legislatures)..., but stay far, far away from federalizing them...
Here's an example: I don't like Schumers politics or personality and I think I've got a solid case that he's incited violence and should be Red Flagged... I'm fairly certain I could get a couple of others to sign onto my petition to Flag him but..., even with all the video evidence..., is it fair or right to Red Flag him...?
Another example: we have some nut that's posted on the Football and Basketball boards for years under multiple screen names (often 3 [or more ?] at the same time...) Right now he's posting under 3 (probably 4 now that he's once again been outed) between here and the p u board... To me anyway, that's clearly borderline certifiable...,but..., is he really a potential threat and should he have his life destroyed and his firearms removed just because I think he's a nut and don't like him as a person?
This falls under "be careful what you wish for" because the solution might just be used on you... If you have a couple of enemies and/or a family member who dislikes you things could get very problematic very quickly..., in my opinion...
From what I've seen on here, given half a chance nearly a quarter of the posters on here would attempt to Red Flag each other..., but would it be the right thing to do..., and should it ever be an option available to them...?
I think we should strengthen the Red Flag laws at the state level (where they're much easier to tweak and stay on top of in the state legislatures)..., but stay far, far away from federalizing them...
Here's an example: I don't like Schumers politics or personality and I think I've got a solid case that he's incited violence and should be Red Flagged... I'm fairly certain I could get a couple of others to sign onto my petition to Flag him but..., even with all the video evidence..., is it fair or right to Red Flag him...?
Another example: we have some nut that's posted on the Football and Basketball boards for years under multiple screen names (often 3 [or more ?] at the same time...) Right now he's posting under 3 (probably 4 now that he's once again been outed) between here and the p u board... To me anyway, that's clearly borderline certifiable...,but..., is he really a potential threat and should he have his life destroyed and his firearms removed just because I think he's a nut and don't like him as a person?
This falls under "be careful what you wish for" because the solution might just be used on you... If you have a couple of enemies and/or a family member who dislikes you things could get very problematic very quickly..., in my opinion...
From what I've seen on here, given half a chance nearly a quarter of the posters on here would attempt to Red Flag each other..., but would it be the right thing to do..., and should it ever be an option available to them...?
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What is that saying that was popular here, play stupid games win stupid prizes?
the red flag law didn't stop the crazy who shot up the Indianapolis Fed Ex facility and killed 8 people.
the gun crazy right will never allow red flag laws to work.
bottom line, you can't allow just the sane and/or "good" people to buy guns and ammo, and not allow virtually everyone to as well, including the not so sane and not so good..
and sometimes even the usually sane and usually "good" have moments when they aren't.
this isn't rocket science, plenty of other countries have figured this out.
we don't have this problem because we don't know how to fix it.
the gun crazy right will never allow red flag laws to work.
bottom line, you can't allow just the sane and/or "good" people to buy guns and ammo, and not allow virtually everyone to as well, including the not so sane and not so good..
and sometimes even the usually sane and usually "good" have moments when they aren't.
this isn't rocket science, plenty of other countries have figured this out.
we don't have this problem because we don't know how to fix it.
The FBI has had almost all of these mass shooters on their radar and did nothing.
Dem' run cities don't have the power to ban or regulate guns and ammo, or to regulate surrounding states' gun laws.
but then you already knew that, you just didn't care.
and while the Pub party has few to virtually no liberals among their ranks, the DNC has plenty of conservatives, and more pertinent, is controlled by right wing money.
Actually the Fed X shooter would have had his guns taken away if the County Prosecutor had taken his case to a judge.
The Prosecutor blamed his failure to act on the red tape involved because of the way the law was written.
Red Flag laws must walk the line between taking guns from people who are potentially dangerous while at the same time protecting the rights of gun owners who present no risk. In the final analysis, who and how should these decisions be made ?
Much easier to say we should have red flag laws than to write one.
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