National Red Flag Law.

[dbmhoosier]

Actually the Fed X shooter would have had his guns taken away if the County Prosecutor had taken his case to a judge.

The Prosecutor blamed his failure to act on the red tape involved because of the way the law was written.

Red Flag laws must walk the line between taking guns from people who are potentially dangerous while at the same time protecting the rights of gun owners who present no risk. In the final analysis, who and how should these decisions be made ?

Much easier to say we should have red flag laws than to write one.

The problem will be with the crazy Karen's and the Amber Heard types. Crazy wife finds out husband was having an affair or was getting ready to divorce her. To get revenge she goes to the police and lies and says husband is acting crazy and is threatening to kill people. Now this is all a lie. He never made any threats and she has no proof. Could he have his guns taken away?

 

[outside shooter]

The problem will be with the crazy Karen's and the Amber Heard types. Crazy wife finds out husband was having an affair or was getting ready to divorce her. To get revenge she goes to the police and lies and says husband is acting crazy and is threatening to kill people. Now this is all a lie. He never made any threats and she has no proof. Could he have his guns taken away?

No, not unless multiple other people heard those threats, or there is evidence, like social media posts or a written manifesto. "I think he's nuts" means nothing.

 

[Bill4411]

I remember talking to a friend of mine about a high school classmate whose family always had a lot of guns-usually hidden behind curtains. My classmate's older brother was not a good kid and 4 years older than Doug and when he would get mad at Doug he would yell at him to run and start shooting over his head. Doug was never injured at least to my knowledge on the runs and I'm sure Harold could have hit him if he wanted to but still not a great situation. I know this because a common friend happened to be visiting Doug and witnessed the events. The common friend was not required to run the gauntlet with Doug but still it certainly opened his eyes about his new neighbors. Did the story Suprise me? No. Harold was convicted of armed robbery a few years later and served several years in prison.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Couldn't have possibly seen this coming.

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Seems like it worked perfectly. Crazy dude with a gun identified. LEO goes to get gun out of crazy dude's possession so that he doesn't inflict harm on others. Crazy dude self-selects, doubles down, plays stupid game, wins stupid prize.

"Just do what LEO says and everything will be ok" is what dumbhoosier would have said if it were a POC being stopped by LEO but not cooperating.

 

[hoot1]

Have a female neighbor in her mid 50s who has had a permit to carry since her early 20s. Being a close friend she has told me stories about her use of a weapon in confrontations with others which some law enforcement people and/or judges might find to be reckless behavior.

On top of that, she does drink alcohol to the point where some observers might think her judgement is impaired.

The one thing which might compel me to testify against her if she became the subject of a red flag law would be to prevent her from putting herself into a extremely dangerous situation whereby she over relies on her carrying a weapon to protect herself. There are some really bad people out there.

 

[dbmhoosier]

 

[Bill4411]

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As per usual just a lot of hot air.

 

[dbmhoosier]

As per usual just a lot of hot air.

Don't mess with Texas.

 

[Stuffshot]

I'd vote for this. If a person has been accused of domestic violence or is having any sort of violence related mental issues, that person shouldn't be able to buy a gun.

People thinking about Red Flag Laws owe it to themselves to at least take a look at Red Flag laws in Florida, which have received favorable treatment in recent national discussion.

Florida's red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people | CNN Politics

Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.

www.cnn.com

(Note, Trumpers: That was from CNN). Here's another link that describes things in the Florida law:

https://sites.law.duke.edu/secondthoughts/2019/09/27/florida-appeals-court-upholds-red-flag-law-against-constitutional-challenge/#:~:text=In%20Davis%20v.%20Gilchrist%20County%20Sheriff’s%20Office%2C%20Florida’s,laws%20generally%20and%20the%20first%20on%20Florida’s%20law.

The term "Red Flag Law" is not really a single category of statute with universally-accepted provisions across all states. In other words, its nothing like the Uniform Commercial Code that a lot of you businessperson-posters already rely on in your transactions across state lines. So smart people should be careful in making comparisons of similar Red Flag laws in different states. They are not uniform at all.

I'm not 100% certain what Florida is doing that is different from other states, but as near as I can tell, Florida's Red Flag Law is unusual in that (1) it not only requires prompt court hearings when somebody reports that somebody else with guns is making threats, but (2) it actually funds the extra court time/expense for a real judge to have a prompt court hearing to consider whether someone's guns should be taken away.

So, that appears to be a major improvement over just passing a Red Flag Law without appropriating enough money to actually make it work.