Mullins Announcing 10/23

[IUNorth]

What’s really frustrating is that we have been down for 25 years, and no B10 team has won a title during that time.

Is the PU program of the last 2 seasons the best that the conference can do over those 25 yrs.? As IU fans we make fun of them for only making it to the title game, but who has been better than that?

They have taken advantage of a league that has been weaker than it should be at the top. Why couldn’t we?

Another way to look at it...The B10 hasn't won a title in 25 years BECAUSE IU has been down... It's left a vacuum for mediocre national level programs like Purdue and Wisconsin to take over, and define what the conference is. IU being down, and Izzo not keeping up with the times, are likely the two major reasons the B10 has fallen off being competitive on the national stage.

When IU makes the right hire, hopefully sooner rather than later, the rest of the conference will wake up too...I'd bet. It sounds VERY conceited, but I think Indiana basketball is "that" important to the B10 overall.

 

[.Gerdis]

Another way to look at it...The B10 hasn't won a title in 25 years BECAUSE IU has been down... It's left a vacuum for mediocre national level programs like Purdue and Wisconsin to take over, and define what the conference is. IU being down, and Izzo not keeping up with the times, are likely the two major reasons the B10 has fallen off being competitive on the national stage.

When IU makes the right hire, hopefully sooner rather than later, the rest of the conference will wake up too...I'd bet. It sounds VERY conceited, but I think Indiana basketball is "that" important to the B10 overall.

Yes, agreed and almost edited my post to note that.

 

[MG80]

A complete indictment of Woodson. This is Davis and Crean all over again. No halfway decent coach loses out on a five star in state recruit 90 minutes away. The longer this lazy old fart is in charge, the more the program will continue to wither on the vine. Relying on the portal to field a roster is extremely risky and unsustainable.

Quinn and the boosters drove a stake through the heart of this program. I hope they are happy.

Being so absolutist about this stuff isn't very wise. Among I'm sure many other examples, didn't Knight fail to successfully recruit Sean May and Eric Montross from our backyard, both who went to UNC and had very successful college careers?

 

[IndyResident16]

Being so absolutist about this stuff isn't very wise. Among I'm sure many other examples, didn't Knight fail to successfully recruit Sean May and Eric Montross from our backyard, both who went to UNC and had very successful college careers?

May was after Knight but yes Montross was a big miss.

 

[IUNorth]

A complete indictment of Woodson. This is Davis and Crean all over again. No halfway decent coach loses out on a five star in state recruit 90 minutes away. The longer this lazy old fart is in charge, the more the program will continue to wither on the vine. Relying on the portal to field a roster is extremely risky and unsustainable.

Quinn and the boosters drove a stake through the heart of this program. I hope they are happy.

Its not a good look for Woodson or the program. But it isn't a huge deal either.

The huge deal is what this years team ends up doing, and what they look like doing it. If it ends that he's coming back next season, Woodson will get a decent number of the current players to come back, he'll get some good portal kids, and he'll get a 5 star spring signee. If that comes on the heels of an NCAA tournament berth, and a decent post season showing...IU is headed in the right direction. If it doesn't, there will be quite a lot more villagers at the gates this year, and the Mullins thing will end up being amplified a little bit more. But on its own, its not really a big deal.

 

[MG80]

May was after Knight but yes Montross was a big miss.

You are absolutely right on May. I stand corrected.

 

[Bippy]

The one constant I can see over 25 years is how political bball is at IU. We’ve had Presidents, Trustees, a search committee, and donors all involved with bball coach hires/fires, and these people are not good at hiring/firing coaches or building a bball program. It should be the AD’s job, and as a complicating factor we’ve also had some inexperienced ADs.

Any organization with this level of politics and meddling is probably going to produce poor results. And that’s what we have seen. Hopefully we figure it out someday.

Like any organization, especially public ones with a lot of political influence bearing down on it, people rise to leadership not on talent but by pleasing those with the bureaucrats. It is the legislators in Indy, not the donors, who are the only ones who can hire and fire.

And on a less positive note, I feel we aren't getting Mullins. If he wanted to stay here in IN, he would have already announced it.

 

[hookyIU1990]

May was after Knight but yes Montross was a big miss.

Both losses related to Coach Knight.

Montross due to Knight's relationship with Scott related to the disagreement over Landon Turner.

May due to the University's handling of Knight's dismissal.

 

[BA47591]

There will probably be another step before Woody hets let go, I could see money spent to replace one or more assistants with proven recruiters. We've dressed it up around the edges a bit over the past two years but a significant upgrade would probably help.

 

[MTBRider22]

There will probably be another step before Woody hets let go, I could see money spent to replace one or more assistants with proven recruiters. We've dressed it up around the edges a bit over the past two years but a significant upgrade would probably help.

While I don't think you're necessarily wrong (I've wanted Hunter gone for a while now), it's not the recruiting part the new assistant needs to be good at....Woody absolutely needs a true game technician in his ear. He doesn't have that and it shows

 

[kurt cloverdales]

While I don't think you're necessarily wrong (I've wanted Hunter gone for a while now), it's not the recruiting part the new assistant needs to be good at....Woody absolutely needs a true game technician in his ear. He doesn't have that and it shows

so, you want to get rid of our ace recruiter who doesn't land anyone?

 

[dbmhoosier]

What’s really frustrating is that we have been down for 25 years, and no B10 team has won a title during that time.

Is the PU program of the last 2 seasons the best that the conference can do over those 25 yrs.? As IU fans we make fun of them for only making it to the title game, but who has been better than that?

They have taken advantage of a league that has been weaker than it should be at the top. Why couldn’t we?

I would say the 05 Illinois team and the 07 OSU team were the best and both were good enough to win it all but both were playing extremely good teams.

 

[T.M.P.]

A complete indictment of Woodson. This is Davis and Crean all over again. No halfway decent coach loses out on a five star in state recruit 90 minutes away. The longer this lazy old fart is in charge, the more the program will continue to wither on the vine. Relying on the portal to field a roster is extremely risky and unsustainable.

lmao ... someone give this little girl a hug.

 

[Sobchak_Security]

Its not a good look for Woodson or the program. But it isn't a huge deal either.

The huge deal is what this years team ends up doing, and what they look like doing it. If it ends that he's coming back next season, Woodson will get a decent number of the current players to come back, he'll get some good portal kids, and he'll get a 5 star spring signee. If that comes on the heels of an NCAA tournament berth, and a decent post season showing...IU is headed in the right direction. If it doesn't, there will be quite a lot more villagers at the gates this year, and the Mullins thing will end up being amplified a little bit more. But on its own, its not really a big deal.

If you have 2 top 20 players in your own backyard, whom you’ve recruited for a long time, and seemingly have the ability to meet or exceed any NIL offers, and land neither one….that’s a problem. Whatever it is Woody’s selling they aren’t buying.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

If you have 2 top 20 players in your own backyard, whom you’ve recruited for a long time, and seemingly have the ability to meet or exceed any NIL offers, and land neither one….that’s a problem. Whatever it is Woody’s selling they aren’t buying.

It’s crazy that Hurley is saying Mullins is a one and done. Hes selling things snake oil too.

 

[chaser23]

I agree with Rice, but I feel people are expecting too much for Carlyle. He will be a solid scoring guard but not this 13+ppg scorer some believe. I hope he is. I see a Robert Johnson caliber guard and thats okay. Better than what the Hoosiers have thrown out there lately.

I see Carlyle very easily getting 13+ a game. From all indications he has been very solid in workouts

 

[chaser23]

If you have 2 top 20 players in your own backyard, whom you’ve recruited for a long time, and seemingly have the ability to meet or exceed any NIL offers, and land neither one….that’s a problem. Whatever it is Woody’s selling they aren’t buying.

When you are going against natty champions it’s hard no matter who you are. Painter is coming off a title game and didn’t get a sniff from any of them. That to me is more of a concern for Boilers.

 

[Middawg]

Being so absolutist about this stuff isn't very wise. Among I'm sure many other examples, didn't Knight fail to successfully recruit Sean May and Eric Montross from our backyard, both who went to UNC and had very successful college careers?

Yes, but that was when NC was paying under the table and by all accounts IU was not.

Leary has alluded that Montross got very good money to go to NC.

 

[TR32]

Its not a good look for Woodson or the program. But it isn't a huge deal either.

The huge deal is what this years team ends up doing, and what they look like doing it. If it ends that he's coming back next season, Woodson will get a decent number of the current players to come back, he'll get some good portal kids, and he'll get a 5 star spring signee. If that comes on the heels of an NCAA tournament berth, and a decent post season showing...IU is headed in the right direction. If it doesn't, there will be quite a lot more villagers at the gates this year, and the Mullins thing will end up being amplified a little bit more. But on its own, its not really a big deal.

I disagree.

If he can't keep an Indiana stake in the program he will lose support quickly.

IU fans don't want a corporate ACME team full of prep baller NBA wannabes

 

[IndyResident16]

I disagree.

If he can't keep an Indiana stake in the program he will lose support quickly.

IU fans don't want a corporate ACME team full of prep baller NBA wannabes

IU fans want to win, period. We had the “Indiana” back court with Galloway, Leal, Gunn and Cupps just across the border last season. It was miserable.

 

[Tammany Hall]

I like Indiana kids, but we’ve had plenty of very likable IU players (some legends) that came from out of state.

 

[Brewskie]

IU fans want to win, period. We had the “Indiana” back court with Galloway, Leal, Gunn and Cupps just across the border last season. It was miserable.

This^^^. It’s not 1975 any more.

 

[Sobchak_Security]

When you are going against natty champions it’s hard no matter who you are. Painter is coming off a title game and didn’t get a sniff from any of them. That to me is more of a concern for Boilers.

Not a concern for Purdue because Painter has demonstrated he can win getting players that aren’t top 50. Purdue will be fine.

 

[Bippy]

When you are going against natty champions it’s hard no matter who you are. Painter is coming off a title game and didn’t get a sniff from any of them. That to me is more of a concern for Boilers.

Who gives a rat's ass about PU or anyone else?
As I have said for years here, our success is not measured by how well other programs do.
It's whether we win or not, period.

 

[Beaten Favorite]

May was after Knight but yes Montross was a big miss.

Knight persuaded May not to be a Hoosier. An alumnus flew young May down to Texas Tech to meet with Knight who was very bitter over his firing and May chose NC afterwards.

 

[Cavanagh]

What’s really frustrating is that we have been down for 25 years, and no B10 team has won a title during that time.

Is the PU program of the last 2 seasons the best?

Here’s a stat I bet you didn’t know. A big ten team has been in the championship game 8 times since 2002. So in the last 22 years we are there like 40% of the time. Problem is, we lost all 8 games so it seems we aren’t a good league. When in reality, we have sent more teams to the championship game than almost every other league.

 

[wi_hoosier]

I would say the 05 Illinois team and the 07 OSU team were the best and both were good enough to win it all but both were playing extremely good teams.

And I would say Bucky got screwed by the refs in the second half versus Coach K and Duke, but the point is still that in 25 years the B1G has not had many legit chances to win a title, and hasn't. I also think it has a lot to do with the style of play the refs are known for allowing causing big time recruits to go elsewhere... which is also the style that Purdon't and Bucky have mastered.

 

[BA47591]

This century we've had 10 current Big Ten teams in the championship game.