Surgeons aren’t politicizing masks, Leftists are, & I’m not at all surprised you don’t see the difference in surgery vs Covid as reasons for wearing masks. Surgeons ain’t wearing them to prevent the flu…
Mt Vernon IN School Board Covid
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No way anyone can say with certainty what’s correct on this subject today.
Green is on the left? Cruz is a leftist? DeSantis, left?
Last I heard about DeSantis, he was gonna try and keep pay back from officials that go against his state wide mask mandate. I remember a lot of folks here that were saying it should be a county decision, made by people in the respective counties, and not a decision that should be blanketed to the whole state. That's not a left governor doing that to people in the education system making decisions for people in their own county, that a Republican.
Is your dunce hat made of tinfoil?So anyone who disagrees with todays govt. is an anti-vaxxer or pro-trump. LOL. give em an inch and Gestapo Joe wants a mile.
U.S. reaches 70% Covid vaccine milestone for adults about a month behind Biden's goal
While the vaccine milestone is a significant achievement, it should be seen as a floor, rather than a ceiling, health experts say.www.cnbc.com
See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State
See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.www.nytimes.com
I have worn masks and got vax'd. The govt. needs to stop with vaccine and mask mandates and the desires of Dems to create a caste system. 80-90 pct of the old people have their shots. I support the young generations who are the future of the country. Only 5 more years and I can retire and leave this eff'd up country to live in peace that is if the US govt. doesn't ruin my life like they have done to so many others or bomb us with their new war.
Seems that pot and makers mark were working fine for the initial year before a vaccine was available. Seems to still be working since the vax is struggling with the delta.
Cortisone shots in knees? I wonder why the govt. won't sign off on allowing to insurance companies to pay for PRP and stem cell shots. I looked into this but have to pay from own pocket thanks to the govt. moratorium on these treatments for my back. Treatment is non degenerative whereas I am pretty sure that streroid and cortizone shots degenerate the tissue to make it feel better. Was so close to paying when after six months of dedicated PT for my back, it got under control. I could only lay on the floor or stand. No sitting because the nerve pain down the leg was terrible. The good news though is the govt. stayed out of these treatments. So as competition ramps up the prices should become competitive and reasonable much like Eye laser. Of course when the govt. and health insurance become involved prices will sky rocket back up.
Correct? I'm not sure what you mean there.
I think there are some facts that have been determined with relative certainty. Those facts point to a continuum of risks that have been identified. And those risks are correlated with statistically relevant results . . .
. . . I can't guess what "correct" means in the context of your statement above, but I would suggest that there is a pretty clear strategy that one can employ based on known risks/results. That strategy includes: (1) getting vaccinated, preferably with the Moderna vaccine. (2) social distancing. (3) wearing masks indoors when around people you don't know, or around people whose risk profile is less stringent than yours. (4) manage your own risks, don't let others hound you into letting them manage them through peer pressure. (5) if you have a significant co-morbidity, such as diabetes or a compromised immune system, be a bit more vigilant.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think there is no "correct". There are facts regarding risks, and decisions to be made based on those risks and facts. Personally, I think the strategy to employ in managing those risks is clear, and relatively universal.
Whether you employ that strategy is a personal decision . . . you'll have people who criticize you for your decision(s), and you'll have to determine whether they're criticizing you for concern about you or concern about them.
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Again, I took and vaccine and encouraged my son and daughter-in-law to.
It looks like I took the wrong vaccine though.
I liked this TMP post over on the free board's discussion of COVID. So I'm copying it over here:
Air systems and aerosol transmission. Masks will supply protection against large droplets like those that come out when laughing, coughing, singing, yelling, sneezing but do not and cannot protect against the tiny aerosol droplets that form and linger in the air. Indoor air systems need updated as there are pockets of aerosols that form in dead zones. This has been known for months ...
This is why layers of protection are needed. Air purification indoors, vitamins D and C, distancing more than 6', (more like 22') or not being there at all, are layers of protection along with masks. Vaccines supply the best protection. Combined multi tiered front. No one that's halfway intelligent believes masks are 100 percent effective or even close. No one has ever claimed they are. They are just one layer of defense... and it's effective enough that it should be used. Even if it were 10 percent still better than zero..
Think of it as a car. A car has bumpers, crumple zones, seatbelts, a windshield, and air bags. None of them work 100 percent effectively but when combined they give much better protection than say riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Get in a wreck at 30 miles per hour and the danger is mitigated by those combined protections, hit the the greasy smelly loud motorcycle guy without a helmet, he may die even at 30mph.
PS - Looks like we took the wrong vaccine too. That's why I'm interested in whether one can switch to another vaccine for the third dose.
I heard the other day that they are looking into everyone using a different vaccine for dose 3 as their is a belief all will gain additional immunity. But of course they have to study it.
I too had Pfizer.
The Delta Variant Is Sending More Children to the Hospital. Are They Sicker, Too? (Published 2021)
It is not yet clear whether the Delta variant causes more severe disease in children, but its high level of infectiousness is causing a surge of pediatric Covid-19 cases.www.nytimes.com
I know, I know . . . it's just the NYT . . . MSM at its most MSM . . . .
LA just had 5 weeks of summer school and saw an infection rate of 0.4% and only 0.03% of those happened in schools...I have seen some jokers put out projections of 50%
Fear of COVID-19 in Kids Is Getting Ahead of the Data
Shielding children from danger is a fundamental instinct. Tolerating risk for them is hard—but necessary—emotional work.
The reality is that Delta is far more contagious and kids will make up a larger share of cases given that many adults are vaccinated, but the data still suggests Covid-19 is low risk for young children and in-person school is very safe
Average US deaths/day via @CNN:
Right now: 646 deaths/day
7 days ago: 497 deaths/day
14 days ago: 358 deaths/day
21 days ago: 272 deaths/day
28 days ago: 260 deaths/day
35 days ago: 226 deaths/day
Right now: 646 deaths/day
7 days ago: 497 deaths/day
14 days ago: 358 deaths/day
21 days ago: 272 deaths/day
28 days ago: 260 deaths/day
35 days ago: 226 deaths/day
Age? The avg age historically is about 80 years old. Vaccinated? Unvaccinated? Otherwise this is fear porn
no, but I would bet it's 99% unvaccinated, and the other 1% were also unvaccinated, but are too ashamed to admit it. Vaccination status is AFAIK something you self-report in most (if not all) states.
More breakdown would be nice, but it's not "fear porn" it is a TREND LINE. Not a good one either, whatever the breakdown.
That would be highly useful information.
That said, knowing that deaths from COVID are rising . . . and reports from medical personnel on the front lines indicate that patients are sicker faster and dying younger . . .
. . . not stats, I realize, but when data is combined with experts' direct observations, more often than not there's merit to the conclusions drawn. If we always wait for the final stats, it won't happen until the game's over.
J. Irwin Miller used to say that a CEO's job is to make the decisions where neither choice is ideal . . . and where there's no such thing as perfect information. I'm afraid we'll have to fly this plane while it's under design and construction . . . .
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The thing that I'd add to this, Sope, is that while you have to formulate a strategy that works best for you and yours personally, it seems like simple decency to think about how what you do can help your community as well. Of course we have to make the best decision for ourselves, but it seems equally obvious that we should be looking out for our neighbors as well. There was a time where it seemed that was an assumed part of the great American experiment, but it seems less so today.
Yep . . . not sure where that went, but it sure is gone . . . with some folks.
It looks like in the areas where adults refuse to get the vax, kids are getting sicker as well.LA just had 5 weeks of summer school and saw an infection rate of 0.4% and only 0.03% of those happened in schools...I have seen some jokers put out projections of 50%
Fear of COVID-19 in Kids Is Getting Ahead of the Data
Shielding children from danger is a fundamental instinct. Tolerating risk for them is hard—but necessary—emotional work.www.theatlantic.com
The reality is that Delta is far more contagious and kids will make up a larger share of cases given that many adults are vaccinated, but the data still suggests Covid-19 is low risk for young children and in-person school is very safe
For example, lots of quarantining of students across GA, esp in isolated, rural districts...
There are zero states that are telling schools they can't have masks. This is a myth. As an example, Florida doesn't even prevent local mask mandates. They just insist schools allow parents an opt-out. The fight is whether to take that choice for parents away.
There is a significant difference between banning masks and not letting schools mandate them over parental objections. Especially when masks for children possibly do more harm than good.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
DeSantis issued a mask mandate against schools to wear masks and threated school officials who go against that mandate that he will without funds equal to the salary of the superintendent of the county that violates the order. Counties are suing to go against that order.
Gov. DeSantis stands firm on ban of mask mandates in schools
Gov. Ron DeSantis is sticking with his ban on mask mandates inside Florida public schools.
Judge says lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis’ school mask mandate ban can move forward
A judge determined Thursday a federal lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis’ mask ban for schools filed by Florida parents can move forward.
It is false to say they told schools they can't maskYou have literally no idea what you're talking about.
DeSantis issued a mask mandate against schools to wear masks and threated school officials who go against that mandate that he will without funds equal to the salary of the superintendent of the county that violates the order. Counties are suing to go against that order.
Gov. DeSantis stands firm on ban of mask mandates in schools
Gov. Ron DeSantis is sticking with his ban on mask mandates inside Florida public schools.www.clickorlando.com
Judge says lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis’ school mask mandate ban can move forward
A judge determined Thursday a federal lawsuit against Gov. Ron DeSantis’ mask ban for schools filed by Florida parents can move forward.
So DeSantis was kidding when he threatened to withhold funds of school districts of schools that violated his mask mandate?
Yeah, that sounds like he was giving them a choice.
Maybe . . . in Georgia . . . first what appeared to be a ban of school mask mandates . . .
Governor Kemp to ban school mask mandates
"The time for mandates is over," Kemp said in an interview.
www.11alive.com
. . . and the the sleight of hand/political wiggle room . . .
. . . the difference being whether a school district has the governor's permission . . .
. . . meanwhile, back at the ranch . . . the local city school district has issued a "temporary" mask mandate . . .
Marietta City Schools issues temporary mask mandate as COVID-19 cases surge
School officials said they hope the mandate is temporary but did not release when the mandate would be lifted. Students and parents can file for religious exemption.
Our school will start with mask mandate on Monday.Maybe . . . in Georgia . . . first what appeared to be a ban of school mask mandates . . .
Governor Kemp to ban school mask mandates
"The time for mandates is over," Kemp said in an interview.
. . . and the the sleight of hand/political wiggle room . . .
. . . the difference being whether a school district has the governor's permission . . .
. . . meanwhile, back at the ranch . . . the local city school district has issued a "temporary" mask mandate . . .
Marietta City Schools issues temporary mask mandate as COVID-19 cases surge
School officials said they hope the mandate is temporary but did not release when the mandate would be lifted. Students and parents can file for religious exemption.www.wsbtv.com
Children dying from Covid is incredibly rare and better chance they get infected at home than at school
A lot of countries kept schools open even before we had vaccines because they correctly determined the harms of closing schools significantly outweighed the risks. This isn't about science. It's about people not being able to properly weigh risks and demanding everyone else go with it.
We had the fight (about missing in-person school vs risking kids getting Covid) last September (before vaccines) when hysterical clowns screamed "murder" because states like Florida pushed to reopen in-person learning. They did it and there was no surge of deaths among kids.
Kids need to go to school.
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You need refresh your talking points. Things have changed significantly.
Aug. 16, 2021 -- The number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 in the U.S. hit a record high on Saturday, with more than 1,900 kids in hospitals.
"On Friday, there were no pediatric ICU beds available in Dallas or the 19 surrounding counties, which means that young patients would be transported father away for care — even Oklahoma City."
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