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  1. sglowrider

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    I thought 1917 was more of a cinematic gem than a groundbreaking movie. (Then again I am a huge Roger Deakin fanboi.)

    Not seen Little Women. Dwarfs scare me.
     
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    Did you see IU Cinema is showing the B&W version of Parasite?
     
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    Lol. I actually have a thing for little people. 1917 was innovative in the way it was shot and truly made you feel like you were there. But the storyline was not. Little Women added some different twists and I loved it, but wouldn’t have wanted it to win and I was fine that Greta wasn’t up for best Director ( see I’m not always a FemiNazi).
     
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    No, I need to check IU Cinema more often. I do all the Ryder ones and regular,but forget it. You told me about someplace else that shows films on campus...Humanities maybe? I wrote it down but forgot to check.
     
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    :) I don't think they brought Little women here last year. They might now since it was nominated.
    Most cinemas here will show multi-lingual range ofmovies. We will have movies mainly from India, China/HK, UK/US and then sprinkles of Korean, Filipino, Malay and Thai movies.
    But Indian movies seem to be like 25% of the movies being offered here. I am guessing the Indians are still good movie goers unlike the rest of the English viewing audience.
    So we don't get everything you get there like Blackkklansman.
     
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    Its a sad day when a country that was built on the backs of immigrants feel so threatened by people who don't speak or look like them. The intolerance of diversity.

    Unfortunately, he ain't alone in this mindset or actions.

    America First Sad.
     
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    The buzz around the Kodak Theater (and really all over town today) is that his speech was the best part of the Oscars. He was so genuine and honored and totally cool and completely not jaded yet. I was dreading the idea that Once was going to win and was really rooting for Parasite or 1917. Don't really understand how that is the destruction of America, but then I also like to fancy myself as not a total troglodyte. :>)
     
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    I think he was referring to the destruction of his of America, one that is monolithic, monochromatic and unchanged ie. the 50s.

    The West Coast must scare/anger him with the bi-racial coupling, immigrants/foreign talent/workers everywhere.

    Really begs the question of the profile of people who fear change.
     
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    Aten'r we told there is no racism in our anti-immigration movement?
     
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    This guy was dragged on twitter, particularly by the Queen Chrissie Teigen. Everyone time Paradise won another award it got worse and worse.
     
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    @Marvin the Martian

    This week's episode of Avenue 5 was brilliant. The show is finally coming together, mixing sci fi with Veep in the perfect combination. Laurie continues to be phenomenal, but Suzy Nakamura and Lenora Crichlow were also outstanding. The plot moved forward perfectly. Really glad I stuck with this show.
     
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    Forgive me for the early morning TV posts, but I went to bed at like 6 last night, so I'm up early.

    The New Pope is also starting to really come together. I thought this week's episode was great, but I'm starting to get antsy. They've been teasing Lenny's awakening for too many weeks now. It's time to make something happen.
     
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    I watched the first two episodes of Mcmillions last night. Entertaining thus far.
     
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    Go on......
     
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    Lol. Not that kind of thing....
     
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    Has anyone seen "The Politician". It is about a high school boy whose life obsession is with being elected president. Every decision he makes is based on how it helps that goal. I watched the first episode last night, I don't want to give away spoilers but parts of it felt like Parasite.
     
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    Is it a John Kerry biopic?
    [​IMG]
     
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    “Politician” and “parasite” are synonymous.
     
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    You figured it out...
     
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    Watched a couple episodes and wasn’t loving it. It’s a Ryan Murphy show and I usually like him. Let me know how you feel when you get further along and I may go back to it. I’m in Season 4 of Schitts Creek. Finally started watching after multiple recommendations. I don’t like many comedies, but like this one.
     
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    Finally finished the Mars trilogy. Half-way through reading Blue Mars a few months ago, I got too busy, and when I finally picked it back up, my loan had run out, and I had to get back in line for it.

    This was a really good series. Despite being sci-fi, it's a work that clearly belongs to the literary canon, rather than genre. Sci-fi fans will still like it, but so will people who don't really read sci-fi, but do like more serious works. It's a far-ranging book with a lot of subplots that are really more important than the main plot. The colonization of Mars is really just context for a deep study of the human condition and how future technology might change it. Definitely recommend it.
     
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    I also saw Parasite this last week..... meh. It was a well written screenplay for sure....I enjoy unique dark comedies, and it was certainly that.... but just came across as too much class warfare. Like the world doesn't have enough of that, as-is. Certainly not something I'd bother watching a 2nd time. Does fit in well with the kind of films the Academy seems to love, so not surprised it did so well.
     
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    We watched the Washington 3-part mini series in the History Channel. Some of his history is well known and others no so much. They handled the slavery issue in a forthright manner too. He was definitely a product of the slave supported economy, but that doesn’t define his historical impact. The scene about his refusal to turn the Revolution into a military coup was great.

    Well worth a look.
     
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    But it's not Gone With the Wind either-an overrated soap opera, that will soon will go the way of the wind. Hey Don, the academy missed the boat on Sunset Boulevard too, a truly great film. It only picked up a couple of minor Oscars, so the Academy screwed up in 1950.

    BTW, If you want to watch Sunset Boulevard for free it's on Amazon Prime. I'm still not sure who was crazier the Joker or Norma Desmond?
     
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    ‘Parasite’ Has a Hidden Backstory of Middle-Class Failure and Chicken Joints
    In a few words, Bong Joon-ho conjured up a whole tale of economic insecurity.

    Korean fried chicken is a delicious dish with a worldwide following. In the streets of Seoul, a fried chicken joint—typically a small, ramshackle operation that relies more on delivery sales than on eat-in service—can be seen on virtually every street corner. As of February 2019, there were approximately 87,000 chicken joints in South Korea, more than double the number of every single McDonald’s restaurant in the world. But its transformation into a staple snack is a relatively new phenomenon. The number of fried chicken joints in South Korea tripled in the decade between 2003 and 2013—and then more than doubled again from 2013 to 2019. The Kim family in Parasite, apparently, was a part of this wave—and, like many other families, lost their shirts in it.

    The massive increase in the number of chicken joints was a direct result of the 1997 Asian financial crisis, which fundamentally reorganized the South Korean economy in a manner similar to that the 2008 financial crisis did with the U.S. economy. Prior to the 1997 crisis, a typical career path for Korean wage earners, at that point still overwhelmingly male, was to join a company and stay with it until retirement. During the period of employment, the company would often pay for the employee’s housing, car, college tuition for children, and a pension after retirement.

    This system, made possible through South Korea’s miraculous economic growth from the 1970s through the early 1990s, was the mechanism that created the country’s prosperous middle class. This middle class pushed the country to transition away from military dictatorship and launched the trend of sophisticated pop culture, including K-pop, Korean drama, and cinematic masterworks from Park Chan-wook (Oldboy) and Parasite director Bong Joon-ho.

    In 1997, this system of lifetime employment failed catastrophically. Even those who managed to keep their jobs could no longer expect tenured employment, much less a pension. It was common for people in their 40s and 50s to be pushed into so-called voluntary retirement with a lump sum of severance pay. Suddenly without the jobs that had anchored their lives, these young retirees had to fend for their families by turning that severance pay into a steady cash flow.

    Quick-serve restaurants, including fried chicken joints, offered one seeming solution. They required a low amount of capital and little to no skill to start. Overhead fees could be kept low by enlisting the whole family as free labor. The low interest rate following the economic crisis made it easy to obtain a loan to add to the severance pay and build up seed money. The result is that, as of late 2018, South Korea had 125 restaurants per 10,000 people, more than double the rate of Japan (58 per 10,000) and six times the rate of the United States (21 per 10,000). South Korea’s huge number of restaurants do not just reflect a love of dining out but also an economy that pushes people into small subsistence-level businesses.

    All this plants a seed of quiet anxiety for viewers who know what those words imply: Even if you lead a comfortable life today, you could find yourself in the Kim family’s basement tomorrow.
     
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    Good stuff. Thanks
     
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    There is an undercurrent going on in Korea. Lots of shiny objects like expensive cars, shiny skyscrapers but there is a lot of uncertainties.
     
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    I haven't mentioned it in a few weeks, but I'm still sticking with The New Pope, and this week's episode was brilliant. Probably the best episode of either series so far. I won't share the big spoiler, but this episode was full of deep thought and meaningful dialogue (and a few meaningful side glances that say more than words), and I thought I'd share this wonderful monologue from Gutierrez as he is accepting a confession from the new pope. After confessing his big sin, the Pope is asked, "Have you finished?" and he replies, "Is that not enough?" Gutierrez responds with this:

    No. It's not enough to not be forgiven. God saves us. Always. God does not deny anyone the grace of salvation. It is the most beautiful thing there is. We love vanity and sin. We love deprivation and wickedness. So we believe that God has abandoned us. That God does not like us. But God does not manage our lives. He does not correct our weaknesses. God does not stop our hand when it plunges into sin. No. All he does is save us. In the end, God saves us. And he saves us with a kiss, just like with Moses.​

    It was a powerful moment from a great actor in a show that...I won't say it's great, but it's been interesting, and this episode at least was great. I hope it's building to a really spectacular finale.
     
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    That's indeed a powerful quote. But it is straight out of Martin Luther's playbook. I'm a little surprised that sentiment would be attributed to a Roman Catholic. Martin Luther:

    If God were willing to sell His grace, we would accept it more quickly and gladly than when He offers it for nothing. This grace of God is a very great, strong, mighty and active thing. It does not lie asleep in the soul.
    In Luther's time, the Roman Catholics were very much into indulgences and a quid pro quo for salvation. I think some of that lingers today. Thus the question about the confession being "enough". I've commented that being a Lutheran is easy as compared to other denominations. This is why.
     
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    Nothing against Luther here, but you are displaying an inherently Protestant bias in this short post. It's okay; it was programmed into all of us who went to school in this country for generations. I don't think they (i.e., our educators) did it on purpose. But as descendants of largely Protestant nations, we have a very peculiar (and inaccurate) understanding of the Reformation.

    To wit: The church has never had a quid pro quo view of salvation. Indulgences do not bestow salvation upon anyone. Rather, they are acts of piety performed to mitigate the just punishment of sins that are already forgiven. Luther himself was not at all opposed to indulgences, at least at first. Rather, he was opposed to particular corrupt and inept practices of certain church officials who used indulgences to enrich themselves, while also confusing the masses as to their meaning. The Church actually agreed with Luther on these points, which was a major part of the reforms at the Council of Trent, although at that point, it was of course too late to stop the Reformation.
     
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    I don't know anything about religious bias, protestant or Roman Catholic, from my public school experience except for fish stick Fridays in the school cafeteria.

    You might be correct about indulgences in the early church. But by ML's time, there was a lot of abuse, including selling indulgences to finance St Peter's. see and see.
     
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    Correct. There was a lot of abuse, and that abuse is what he attacked.

    But that's not the same as suggesting that indulgences were a way of buying salvation, some kind of quid pro quo, which is what you said above, and what was never correct, either in the early church or the late middle ages. Indulgences were never a substitute for salvation, which has always come only from God.

    In fact, one of the reasons he worried about the abuse was that he was afraid the common people would incorrectly think of indulgences as just that, rather than as the mitigation of temporal punishment they actually were. And as I said, the church eventually realized he was right, although by that time he'd moved on to much bigger things.

    Long story short, there is nothing un-Catholic about Gutierrez's monologue I shared above.
     
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    I think you’ll find a significant number of Roman Catholics who believe faith and works are necessary for grace and salvation.
     
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    That's a different issue from indulgences, and I would argue that, no, I really wouldn't find such people. I'd probably find a lot of Catholics who believe in things that you, as a Protestant, would describe as belief that "faith and works are necessary for grace and salvation," but that is because it is an inherently Protestant formulation. It does not accurately reflect how your average Catholic would describe his or her own faith. It certainly doesn't reflect official Catholic teaching.

    On edit: Let me be clear. I'm not suggesting there aren't big differences between the Catholic and Protestant views of salvation. There are, and works certainly play an important role in the Catholic view, very different from the role they play in the Protestant view. I'm just pointing out that the way you are describing those differences is an inherently Protestant framing of them, and does not accurately reflect how an actual Catholic would describe their own faith.
     
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    Anyone watching seven worlds, one planet? Great show. Tonight is Africa extended. I can’t wait. David Attenborough is awesome.
     
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    Yet again a post on The New Pope.

    I'm going to put important things in the spoiler for anyone who is still watching, although I wonder if anyone besides me is, but the past two weeks have been astounding. Just brilliant television. Voiello's eulogy tonight was some of the best television I've ever seen, and then he immediately jumped right back into backstabbing politics, and it was fun as hell.

    I don't think it's a coincidence that this show got great when Lenny woke up. Jude Law is just fan-farking-tastic in this. Nothing against John Malkovich, who is one of my favorite actors ever, but Law is the heart and soul of this show, and he has proved it this season by stealing the show after spending 75% of it in a coma.
     
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    I’ve started finally, but just seen two episodes. Maybe I don’t remember the Young Pope as well as I should, but the one of this one seems so different, from the music, to the cinematography, to the dialogue. Not sure where it’s going yet, but it’s intriguing for sure.
     
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    I hope you stick with it. The first few weeks are...good, but not great, but then...well, I don't want to spoil, but your patience is rewarded.
     

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