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Most of what makes MAGA hate the Dept of Education is rooted in lies about what they do

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I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
 
I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
No bias detected in this post.😂😂😂
 
I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
Are you happy with our school system?
 
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I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
They special education portion is terrifying to me for personal reasons. I can't afford private school for my kids. I live close to Michigan though and I know that state wouldn't end Special education programs. Indiana I'm not so sure about...
 
Are you happy with our school system?
Some are good, some are bad, some are in the middle

The Department being discussed has little-to-nothing to do with that, unless you are unhappy about being unable to do something violating laws passed by Congress

What your schools spend, what they teach, what they put in the library, what textbooks they use, and what teachers they hire and fire all is set at local and state levels, not Federal.

This informative thread seems to be something that you NEED.

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One thing I forgot, they also don't decide rules on what "parts" you need to have to compete in any sport. State-level groups like the IHSAA do that.
 
I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
No. Conservatives are for a smaller Federal government. States can decide how they handle education.
 
States can decide how they handle education.
They already do, in concert with school boards / local ballot voter initiatives

The Fed policies affect schools that are poorly served by states, mostly with respect to having free reign to break Federal laws.
 
No. Conservatives are for a smaller Federal government. States can decide how they handle education.
If Congress enacted Titles I, VI, and IX then Congress will have to pull them back, no?

I don't think Trump or Musk can do that. Even through impoundment.

Good Luck with that.
 
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If Congress enacted Titles I, VI, and IX then Congress will have to pull them back, no?

I don't think Trump or Musk can do that. Even through impoundment.

Good Luck with that.
I don’t have any visions of the Department of Education going away. I’m not that lucky.
 
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I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.

1) we have a DOJ
2) we have Treasury to block grant to states.
3) we have a DOJ
4) states can do
5) states can do
6) Treasury can do. Or better yet, turn loans back to the private sector.

On what they don't do is irrelevant to eliminating the DOE.

Edit: Stoll may be a great CPA, but somehow I don't think you've met the HS Hackers to know if they are good or not. I am sure they are much smarter than all of us.

Seems like Trump is the only one who cares about Title IX.
 
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1) we have a DOJ
2) we have Treasury to block grant to states.
3) we have a DOJ
4) states can do
5) states can do
6) Treasury can do. Or better yet, turn loans back to the private sector.

On what they don't do is irrelevant to eliminating the DOE.

Edit: Stoll may be a great CPA, but somehow I don't think you've met the HS Hackers to know if they are good or not. I am sure they are much smarter than all of us.

Seems like Trump is the only one who cares about Title IX.
Those two things you want to pin on Treasury are so wildly outside their purview.

This is the problem with Musk's corporate take on all this. The goal is always to create new efficiencies. Reduce redundancies. But in practice, what this means is you lay off Person A and then ask Person B to do A's job moving forward. Only, B isn't equipped to do A's job, so you end up hiring outside firm C to fill the gap, or the job just doesn't get done.
 
Those two things you want to pin on Treasury are so wildly outside their purview.

This is the problem with Musk's corporate take on all this. The goal is always to create new efficiencies. Reduce redundancies. But in practice, what this means is you lay off Person A and then ask Person B to do A's job moving forward. Only, B isn't equipped to do A's job, so you end up hiring outside firm C to fill the gap, or the job just doesn't get done.

I am sure Treasury can handle 50 or so block grant direct deposits. As for student loans, going back to private institutions takes it off the Treasury.

I am guessing you have never owned a business. Not run a department or a division or region or manage a budget. But own a business where your livelihood is on the line, where your house can be lost. When you experience that level of uncertainty and fear, you understand that finding cost savings through efficiencies are critical to your success. Musk, who is 100x smarter than anyone on this forum, understands this fact. Most people don't.
 
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Edit: Stoll may be a great CPA, but somehow I don't think you've met the HS Hackers to know if they are good or not. I am sure they are much smarter than all of us.

First rule any auditor starts with is you getting an understanding of the business you are auditing. An initial engagement typically lasts several months before you even begin to look at actual numbers.

What's going on here has nothing to do with auditing anything, only someone totally clueless would actually believe that. This is simply an ideological purge.
 
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Or maybe it does. Look how much has been found in a month. Plus, how do you know none of the team are forensic accountants?

What do you think has been found? Who would know?

Has there been a single report released about anything? It's a bunch of random tweets with no supporting evidence.

$50m in condoms for Gaza! Oh whoops wasn't for Gaza it was AIDS prevention in Africa. But we put in on X so look over there! Shiny things for simpletons! Must be true! Doesn't stop the WH Press Sec from repeating it.

Elon: 'oh well, we'll make mistakes!' Your first thing out of the gate is an absurd mistake.
 
What do you think has been found? Who would know?

Has there been a single report released about anything? It's a bunch of random tweets with no supporting evidence.

$50m in condoms for Gaza! Oh whoops wasn't for Gaza it was AIDS prevention in Africa. But we put in on X so look over there! Shiny things for simpletons! Must be true! Doesn't stop the WH Press Sec from repeating it.

Elon: 'oh well, we'll make mistakes!' Your first thing out of the gate is an absurd mistake.

There is info if you care to look. But tomorrow is supposed to be the day doge.gov lists the receipts. We shall see.

Here is an article. Read it and more and believe what you want.

 
There is info if you care to look. But tomorrow is supposed to be the day doge.gov lists the receipts. We shall see.

Here is an article. Read it and more and believe what you want.


No there isn't. Your article said basically nothing. You read propaganda and take it for reality. Was there a single description of anything other than partisan tweets? I'm well aware that USAID does more then pure humanitarian causes. It always has done more since JFK created it 60 years ago.

It was always a lot more than charity.... It was part of national security policy. Soft power is a legitimate thing. Why does China have a Belt and Road initiative? To be a charity?

Musk is doing more to help China than anyone in US Govt history. Wake up.
 
There is info if you care to look. But tomorrow is supposed to be the day doge.gov lists the receipts. We shall see.

Here is an article. Read it and more and believe what you want.


Read.....


And watch...





At least there is still one Republican willing to speak out right now.....



Trump sold out to the highest bidder. And now he sits at the resolute like a little bitch while the master lets his toddler act like he's at Disney world
 
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No there isn't. Your article said basically nothing. You read propaganda and take it for reality. Was there a single description of anything other than partisan tweets? I'm well aware that USAID does more then pure humanitarian causes. It always has done more since JFK created it 60 years ago.

It was always a lot more than charity.... It was part of national security policy. Soft power is a legitimate thing. Why does China have a Belt and Road initiative? To be a charity?

Musk is doing more to help China than anyone in US Govt history. Wake up.
Incredible we get this shit from the "Think for yourself!" crowd.
 
Incredible we get this shit from the "Think for yourself!" crowd.

There are so many idiots in this country, we deserve to be run into the ground.

We spend half the amount on government than we did 60 years ago, but people are totally clueless.

All the while, the 'leaders' in the country lie blatantly to our face about what our problems are. And half the country buys into it, at any point in time....as it's their 'leaders' then espouse it.

Sheep to the slaughter
 
No bias detected in this post.😂😂.

The chud never mentions the $Trillion cost(borrowed) involved in moving the US from first to 28th in education since the bureaucracy was birthed.

Results is seldom an important gauge when libshits get themselves all wadded up.
 
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The chud never mentions the $Trillion cost involved in moving the US from first to 28th in education since the bureaucracy was birthed.

Results is seldom an important gauge when libshits get themselves all wadded up.
List the reasons why the department education caused the US to fall to 28th in world ranking. Knowing they the Ed doesn't set carliculum, standards, and is only about 3% of funding for public schools(pretty much all of which is for special needs students). This will be interesting.
 
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Read.....


And watch...





At least there is still one Republican willing to speak out right now.....



Trump sold out to the highest bidder. And now he sits at the resolute like a little bitch while the master lets his toddler act like he's at Disney world
How drunk were you when you posted this?
 
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List the reasons why the department education caused the US to fall to 28th in world ranking. Knowing they the Ed doesn't set carliculum, standards, and is only about 3% of funding for public schools(pretty much all of which is for special needs students). This will be interesting.
What have they done to keep us from falling further then?

The mission of the Department of Education (ED) is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access for students of all ages. Learn more about our mission, offices within ED, key initiatives, and more.

 
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I'm all for actual accounting audits (though a trained person like stollcpa would be better at that than Elon's HS hackers) and stamping out fraud and waste

But there are a lot of misconceptions about the Department and an imagined focus on wokeness. I guess what many consider to be woke are enforcing compliance with things like Title 9.

What the Department of Education does do and what it doesn’t do

It does:
1) Enforce existing federal laws, such as Title IX (sex discrimination), Title VI (race), the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)
2) Ensures disbursement of some specific programmatic funds to public schools, such as special ed programs, programs to support Title 1 (raising educational metrics in low-income communities), programs to teach English to non-native speakers, Pell grants for college students
3) Fights scam institutions, such as Trump University, that take your money in return for next to nothing, fights fraud and any Constitutional rights violations, such as barring access to college housing based on race
4) Supports modernization of teaching methods, such as access to computers
5) Supports STEM programs to increase scientific literacy
6) Oversees student loan programs, payment plans, loan relief plans (none absolving you of all debt)

#6 troubles some people, and I can see that. I see no issues with roles 1-5, as long as funds are not being skimmed by anybody in the process.

What the Department of Education doesn't do:
1) Doesn’t decide curriculum or otherwise dictate what is taught, such as Common Core, or even Evolution as a foundational principle of biology
2) Doesn’t pick textbooks or library books
3) Doesn’t set standards other than to identify any programs that violate Federal laws (such as a class for only students of one race)
4) Doesn’t “run” any public school, which are managed by local and state governments, alone
5) Doesn’t hire or fire teachers, set salaries, set qualifications, or enforce preferred ideologies of teaching candidates. This is SOLELY up to states, communities, and school boards
6) Doesn’t provide any oversight over private schools, other than to enforce Federal law, such as sex or race discrimination
7) Doesn’t set or regulate tuition and fees for any institution at any level

It would seem that the main beef is that they are geared to law-and-order issues, mostly, and MAGA just can have rule of law, if a wannabe dictator disagrees with said laws.
We spend more dollars per student than any other country. What has it gotten us?
 
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