Mitch on NIL

[crazed_hoosier2]

He was just comparing the fact that plantation owners and college athletics were making a living off of free labor. Not saying college athletes were akin to slavery. Analogies don’t need to be 1:1 to be effective.

It’s a dumb analogy for several reasons.

First, of course, is that it’s not free labor. Scholarships are worth a whole lot of money to those who receive them.

And that feeds into the second major distinction in that it’s a voluntary thing that athletes choose to do out of their own self-interest. If they didn’t feel the bargain was beneficial to them, they could’ve foregone college athletics. I don’t know about you, but I choose to avoid one-sided deals where I’m not on the right side.

What is the value to them of the major exposure they get? For some it might not be much, for others it’s quite a bit. They may not realize this value right away, but they eventually will.

 

[hookyIU1990]

I'm sure they think Mitch is a brave leader who will usher in a new era where everyone forgoes NIL for the good of the sport.

Meanwhile, as Mitch decries a court decision to strike down the prohibition of schools directly paying athletes...

Purdue to begin paying bonuses to athletes for academic achievements this fall

Schools are permitted to pay athletes up to $5,980 for their academic performance following a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court nearly a year ago

sports.yahoo.com

Hypocrisy as he tries to save face over getting caught flat footed on NIL.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

If he’s not comparing it to slavery, then I guess I don’t.

What is he saying?

Maybe.

But that doesn’t mean he was wrong. Because he wasn’t wrong.

Fisher resented what he said, because A&M didn’t break any current rules in buying their recruiting class.

But that’s exactly what they did.

That’s ok. I hope he kills Alabama. Alabama paid players too. It’s just more legal now and Saban hates it. Takes the edge off.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

If schools like IU and Purdue were struggling to keep up with the true powerhouse schools in the conference, this NIL deal has put them back to the Stone Age. Why on earth if you are an elite athlete would you not go to a big name school that promotes your image and makes NIL deals outside the school more lucrative? The Big Ten has been good for IU financially. Unfortunately, IU is also one of the high priced “punching bags” for the heavyweights in the Big Ten.

Not a surprise this would be your position here but the fact is IU embraced and trained everyone on NIL early and it shows

 

[Harry Hondo]

That’s ok. I hope he kills Alabama. Alabama paid players too. It’s just more legal now and Saban hates it. Takes the edge off.

It’s about levelling the playing field. Saban is mad as hell at A&M because it gave them the chance to have the #1 recruiting class. He no longer has that unfair advantage.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

It’s about levelling the playing field. Saban is mad as hell at A&M because it gave them the chance to have the #1 recruiting class. He no longer has that unfair advantage.

That’s exactly but our resident stick pokers don’t understand that. NIL will affect football more than basketball.

 

[bsmitty08]

That’s exactly but our resident stick pokers don’t understand that. NIL will affect football more than basketball.

Affects both. Usc and A&M bought rosters for football. Miami/texas in basketball

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Affects both. Usc and A&M bought rosters for football. Miami/texas in basketball

Miami bought 2 player basically. Overpaid for one. Big deal. Remains to be seen if any or either pan out. UK boosters spent on the right guy.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It’s about levelling the playing field. Saban is mad as hell at A&M because it gave them the chance to have the #1 recruiting class. He no longer has that unfair advantage.

You think this manifestation of NIL levels the playing field in high-stakes recruiting?

That’s about the last way I’d describe it.

I can understand the schadenfreude towards Saban. While I think what he said is undeniably correct, he’s not exactly the most sympathetic messenger.

But as college recruiting moves towards being a bidding war, it seems likely that the schools with the access to the most sponsor money will be the winners.

Maybe you think that’s nothing to lament. And that’s OK. But I wouldn’t describe it as a level playing field.

 

[bsmitty08]

Miami bought 2 player basically. Overpaid for one. Big deal. Remains to be seen if any or either pan out. UK boosters spent on the right guy.

Ok?

 

[T.M.P.]

Lol. Are you really comparing amateur scholarship college athletics to…slavery?

There’s no shortage of dumb things said on this forum. This one ranks up there.

*eyeroll* ...........

 

[Victorbmyboy]

*eyeroll* ...........

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This is funny but I understand what he’s implying. Would I have used that to explain. No.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Ok?

If you can’t understand that. 🤦🏻🤣

 

[bsmitty08]

If you can’t understand that. 🤦🏻🤣

😂😂😂 for your likeness

 

[Victorbmyboy]

😂😂😂 for your likeness

You are dumb.

 

[bsmitty08]

You are dumb.

No not really, you just have a conversation with someone who disagrees

 

[Victorbmyboy]

No not really, you just have a conversation with someone who disagrees

You get so butthurt.

 

[DANC]

Lol. Are you really comparing amateur scholarship college athletics to…slavery?

There’s no shortage of dumb things said on this forum. This one ranks up there.

Think of who you're responding to.

 

[bsmitty08]

You get so butthurt.

Cool

 

[DANC]

He was just comparing the fact that plantation owners and college athletics were making a living off of free labor. Not saying college athletes were akin to slavery. Analogies don’t need to be 1:1 to be effective.

Having a scholarship is not 'free' labor.

Good Lord.....

 

[Harry Hondo]

You think this manifestation of NIL levels the playing field in high-stakes recruiting?

That’s about the last way I’d describe it.

I can understand the schadenfreude towards Saban. While I think what he said is undeniably correct, he’s not exactly the most sympathetic messenger.

But as college recruiting moves towards being a bidding war, it seems likely that the schools with the access to the most sponsor money will be the winners.

Maybe you think that’s nothing to lament. And that’s OK. But I wouldn’t describe it as a level playing field.

It levels the playing field for those already near the top of the food chain (getting 5* kids before NIL). Trust me, A&M couldn’t out recruit Alabama before NIL. Now, Saban has to worry about being out recruited by a handful of SEC teams and even some others outside the conference.

 

[birdforbogey]

This thread delivers Indiana style.

 

[T.M.P.]

It’s a dumb analogy for several reasons.

First, of course, is that it’s not free labor. Scholarships are worth a whole lot of money to those who receive them.

And that feeds into the second major distinction in that it’s a voluntary thing that athletes choose to do out of their own self-interest. If they didn’t feel the bargain was beneficial to them, they could’ve foregone college athletics. I don’t know about you, but I choose to avoid one-sided deals where I’m not on the right side.

What is the value to them of the major exposure they get? For some it might not be much, for others it’s quite a bit. They may not realize this value right away, but they eventually will.

It probably wasn't an analogy (more a metaphor, anyways) in intent but instead nothing more than a humorous reference to a commonly known cartoon episode where satire was used to highlight the hypocrisy of a billion dollar for profit entertainment industry paying what relatively amounts to nothing to the major contributors and only actual commodity of that industry.

Again, *eyeroll*.

 

[ulrey]

It probably wasn't an analogy (more a metaphor, anyways) in intent but instead nothing more than a humorous reference to a commonly known cartoon episode where satire was used to highlight the hypocrisy of a billion dollar for profit entertainment industry paying what relatively amounts to nothing to the major contributors and only actual commodity of that industry.

Again, *eyeroll*.

Do you seriously eyeroll? Jesus christ.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

You are going to see schools opt out of NIL dealings and will form a new league. A bunch of schools ate
Not backing this pay for play. Even ND’s jack Swarbrick came out against it. ND is giving NIL deals but he predicts the end of college sports and ncaa.

Smfh. Schools can’t opt out. Only the student can.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Go to the comment section of the article. Mitch is getting torched. Imagine what the athletes are thinking.

 

[bsmitty08]

Smfh. Schools can’t opt out. Only the student can.

Not true. Schools can chose not to play that game. Hence why you could see ncaa end and schools go different ways.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Not true. Schools can chose not to play that game. Hence why you could see ncaa end and schools go different ways.

Court says they can’t. Good grief. You do realize it’s not tied to the school. The school can’t stop a player profiting off of NIL. If they get rid of a player that goes against the wishes of said player it will open the school up for lawsuit.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Not true. Schools can chose not to play that game. Hence why you could see ncaa end and schools go different ways.

I don't believe the schools can dictate to or stipulate that players can't have an NIL deal regardless of if they're an NCAA member. Even the NAIA has NIL.

They can not provide the infrastructure and support for their athletes, but then they're just shooting themselves in the foot if they want to compete at a high level. Which is basically where purdoo finds itself now.

 

[bsmitty08]

Court says they can’t. Good grief. You do realize it’s not tied to the school. The school can’t stop a player profiting off of NIL. If they get rid of a player that goes against the wishes of said player it will open the school up for lawsuit.

True NIL deals yes a school could make that work. The gsme of using NIl as lay for play will be the line drawn. Kids getting million dollars deals before they even enroll is not NIL

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I don't believe the schools can dictate to or stipulate that players can't have an NIL deal regardless of if they're an NCAA member. Even the NAIA has NIL.

They can not provide the infrastructure and support for their athletes, but then they're just shooting themselves in the foot if they want to compete at a high level. Which is basically where purdoo finds itself now.

The infrastructure and support rules are changing already. Remember, this is dictated by state laws. Schools absolutely can’t tell an athlete no. Smitty just doesn’t understand NIL because he’s so far against it.

 

[bsmitty08]

The infrastructure and support rules are changing already. Remember, this is dictated by state laws. Schools absolutely can’t tell an athlete no. Smitty just doesn’t understand NIL because he’s so far against it.

I’m not against a kid getting paid for autographs, billboards, etc. the million dollar deals for recruiting purposes yes.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

True NIL deals yes a school could make that work. The gsme of using NIl as lay for play will be the line drawn. Kids getting million dollars deals before they even enroll is not NIL

They can’t and won’t stop it. What does that have to do with you saying schools opting out? I’ll tell you. It has zero to do with it. You hate being wrong. Don’t you? Schools don’t “make it work”. They have to.

 

[hookyIU1990]

The infrastructure and support rules are changing already. Remember, this is dictated by state laws. Schools absolutely can’t tell an athlete no. Smitty just doesn’t understand NIL because he’s so far against it.

Changing to let schools get more directly involved in coordinating is my understanding of what's happening at the state level. Is that your interpretation?

 

[bsmitty08]

They can’t and won’t stop it. What does that have to do with you saying schools opting out? I’ll tell you. It has zero to do with it. You hate being wrong. Don’t you? Schools don’t “make it work”. They have to.

You are also naïve to think it will continue as is and no changes will be made. This is a broke system now. They need to have regulation and many are admitting this now.

 

[bsmitty08]

Changing to let schools get more directly involved in coordinating is my understanding of what's happening at the state level. Is that your interpretation?

How long until coaches are being told who to play because a large booster paid $500k for this kid to come here so he needs to play? Kinda like Quinn Ewers

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Changing to let schools get more directly involved in coordinating is my understanding of what's happening at the state level. Is that your interpretation?

Yes. NCAA is powerless to stop it.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

How long until coaches are being told who to play because a large booster paid $500k for this kid to come here so he needs to play? Kinda like Quinn Ewers

Hell I don’t know and neither do you.

 

[hookyIU1990]

How long until coaches are being told who to play because a large booster paid $500k for this kid to come here so he needs to play? Kinda like Quinn Ewers

Boosters want to win. It's not like these kids are doing commercials or are spokespeople for their businesses. They're not monetizing these deals. They're just trying to get the best players for their schools.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

You are also naïve to think it will continue as is and no changes will be made. This is a broke system now. They need to have regulation and many are admitting this now.

Who is they? Ncaa can’t stop this.