McCulloch to Cincy?

[HoosierTim]

Being a stepping stone only means they’ve had success under those guys (with the exception of TT). Compared to the coaches and AD’s we’ve had, it’s really no comparison.

Go Hoosiers.

I’m not comparing the success of coaches at Cincinnati and Indiana. It’s not comparable, they play different degrees of schedules and opponents. Cincinnati football has not been a destination job and that’s evident. It may be for Fickell, but coaches don’t go to Cincinnati to retire, they go there to further advance their careers.

UC football has unwavering support and fandom right now, and they have every right too, look at their recent run. But there’s far too many people on here distorting the reality of the Cincinnati football program from a historical perspective. I know, I lived and grew up in Cincinnati for 15 years.

 

[HoosierTim]

GL, Cincy had far more than 5K fans at the IU game, but since it's hard to distinguish IU fans from Cincy fans you can just look at the game tape of Cincy-ND, the Red stuck out like a sore thumb and it was evident they had at least 10K people at the ND game. For the OSU game I was surrounded by OSU fans and it was quite evident of that by halftime as they were the only ones left. A flash in the pan mid major that has accomplished far more in it's existence as a program than half the programs in the B1G despite being in cash strapped conferences for nearly their entire existence. As a program they would slot in higher than NW, RU, IL, IU, and Maryland in accomplishments if they joined the B1G tomorrow. Name one other mid major that could do that.

You really need to brush up on the history of Cincinnati’s football program. Flash in the pan perfectly describes them.

 

[Jackskip23]

I’m not comparing the success of coaches at Cincinnati and Indiana. It’s not comparable, they play different degrees of schedules and opponents. Cincinnati football has not been a destination job and that’s evident. It may be for Fickell, but coaches don’t go to Cincinnati to retire, they go there to further advance their careers.

UC football has unwavering support and fandom right now, and they have every right too, look at their recent run. But there’s far too many people on here distorting the reality of the Cincinnati football program from a historical perspective. I know, I lived and grew up in Cincinnati for 15 years.

The run has been fairly recent, but it’s been very good. We might’ve done well to hire one of those stepping stone coaches or AD’s.

 

[HoosierTim]

The run has been fairly recent, but it’s been very good. We might’ve done well to hire one of those stepping stone coaches or AD’s.

Dantonio is the only coach IU would have had a realistic shot at getting and they had just hired Hep. And even then, Dantonio was only 19-15 at UC in 3 years. Crazy talk to think IU was going to pry Kelly or Butch Jones (disaster) from Tennessee or Notre Dame.

 

[Jackskip23]

Dantonio is the only coach IU would have had a realistic shot at getting and they had just hired Hep. And even then, Dantonio was only 19-15 at UC in 3 years. Crazy talk to think IU was going to pry Kelly or Butch Jones (disaster) from Tennessee or Notre Dame.

Agreed. We never really aimed high in football, with a couple of exceptions. And we lacked the leadership that would’ve ever convinced an up and coming coach to come here.

 

[jlasson]

You really need to brush up on the history of Cincinnati’s football program. Flash in the pan perfectly describes them.

You need to brush up on your English because flash in the pan is not how I would describe a program that for the last twenty years, has accomplished far more than most below average P5 programs. Flash in the pan is what Indiana did in 2020, it's not winning double digit games 8 times under several different coaches across two decades.

I understand their schedule is weaker so winning double digit games isn't nearly as impressive, but my point is how well they've been able to sustain success over their current competition. I'm not making the case that they're world beaters or anything, but they would certainly be an average program in any P5 conference other than the SEC. And frankly, for Indiana fans to start shit talking Cincy football coming off a year we went winless in conference and were literally run out of our own stadium by RUTGERS, is kind of ridiculous. FS it's just one year, and we were littered w injuries blah blah blah, but I'd have a hard time seeing any even mediocre program lose by 35 to Rutgers at home no matter what the circumstances.

 

[HoosierTim]

You need to brush up on your English because flash in the pan is not how I would describe a program that for the last twenty years, has accomplished far more than most below average P5 programs. Flash in the pan is what Indiana did in 2020, it's not winning double digit games 8 times under several different coaches across two decades.

I understand their schedule is weaker so winning double digit games isn't nearly as impressive, but my point is how well they've been able to sustain success over their current competition. I'm not making the case that they're world beaters or anything, but they would certainly be an average program in any P5 conference other than the SEC. And frankly, for Indiana fans to start shit talking Cincy football coming off a year we went winless in conference and were literally run out of our own stadium by RUTGERS, is kind of ridiculous. FS it's just one year, and we were littered w injuries blah blah blah, but I'd have a hard time seeing any even mediocre program lose by 35 to Rutgers at home no matter what the circumstances.

If you knew anything about UC’s nearly 150 year football history then you would absolutely understand these last 10 or so years are absolutely an exception and not the rule. UC has been poor to average for nearly 130 years of their existence and what I would categorize as consistently good for the last 10-15 years dating to back to Brian Kelly sprinkled in with an elite season or two in said time frame. UC isn’t even the first G5 program to emulate this type of success, just the beneficiary of the committee finally caving to shut up the masses. UC’s showing against Alabama is why the committee will never again invite a G5 program to the playoff.

And I’m not shit talking Cincy, I’m shit talking the idea that Cincy is some model program that IU needs to emulate. They’re no different than Boise, TCU, Louisville, South Florida, UCF, UConn, etc before them who have all had flash in the pan type runs for a year or two under good coaches who have ultimately left and seen their program find its normal level. These things are are always cyclical.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

GL, Cincy had far more than 5K fans at the IU game, but since it's hard to distinguish IU fans from Cincy fans you can just look at the game tape of Cincy-ND, the Red stuck out like a sore thumb and it was evident they had at least 10K people at the ND game. For the OSU game I was surrounded by OSU fans and it was quite evident of that by halftime as they were the only ones left. A flash in the pan mid major that has accomplished far more in it's existence as a program than half the programs in the B1G despite being in cash strapped conferences for nearly their entire existence. As a program they would slot in higher than NW, RU, IL, IU, and Maryland in accomplishments if they joined the B1G tomorrow. Name one other mid major that could do that.

lol, if you were surrounded by Ahia fans, you need better seats. Damned near any other seats. 12K max, and I was around when they used to bring 20K...but those days are long gone thankfully.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

If you knew anything about UC’s nearly 150 year football history then you would absolutely understand these last 10 or so years are absolutely an exception and not the rule. UC has been poor to average for nearly 130 years of their existence and what I would categorize as consistently good for the last 10-15 years dating to back to Brian Kelly sprinkled in with an elite season or two in said time frame. UC isn’t even the first G5 program to emulate this type of success, just the beneficiary of the committee finally caving to shut up the masses. UC’s showing against Alabama is why the committee will never again invite a G5 program to the playoff.

And I’m not shit talking Cincy, I’m shit talking the idea that Cincy is some model program that IU needs to emulate. They’re no different than Boise, TCU, Louisville, South Florida, UCF, UConn, etc before them who have all had flash in the pan type runs for a year or two under good coaches who have ultimately left and seen their program find its normal level. These things are are always cyclical.

He is just here to bitch and slam IU, just like BRCB and this new guy spewing so much BS. Nothing to take seriously.

 

[jlasson]

If you knew anything about UC’s nearly 150 year football history then you would absolutely understand these last 10 or so years are absolutely an exception and not the rule. UC has been poor to average for nearly 130 years of their existence and what I would categorize as consistently good for the last 10-15 years dating to back to Brian Kelly sprinkled in with an elite season or two in said time frame. UC isn’t even the first G5 program to emulate this type of success, just the beneficiary of the committee finally caving to shut up the masses. UC’s showing against Alabama is why the committee will never again invite a G5 program to the playoff.

And I’m not shit talking Cincy, I’m shit talking the idea that Cincy is some model program that IU needs to emulate. They’re no different than Boise, TCU, Louisville, South Florida, UCF, UConn, etc before them who have all had flash in the pan type runs for a year or two under good coaches who have ultimately left and seen their program find its normal level. These things are are always cyclical.

Yeah Nebraska used to be a national powerhouse as well, things change. Idc what a program did before 1970, and frankly the most recent 20 years hold a lot more weight to the direction of a program than the 30 between 1970-2000. Also, the Cincy game wasn't even the biggest blowout of the CFB playoff last year. The Vaunted UM team that finally beat OSU, won the B1G, etc was done by the end of Q1. At least the Cincy-Bama game was competitive at halftime. Your bias is clearly seeping in, CFB semifinal games are frequently blowouts. Notable programs who've been blown out in CFB semifinal games: Notre Dame, UM, MSU, OU Washington, Clemson, FSU. Cincy did nothing to harm their reputation in the CFB semifinal game, that performance was more impressive than the showing we saw in Memorial Stadium a few months earlier.

I don't think anyone is saying Indiana should model their program after Cincy. We're saying that Cincy is a decent program and has accomplished far more than a decent number of P5 teams, they shouldn't be considered less than the KU's, RU's, Oregon State's, Arizonas, etc simply because they're GO5. You're right these things are cyclical, they'll eventually fall off, but my point is that as a program over the last 20 years, they've shown the fan support and financial backing of a standard P5 program.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Yeah Nebraska used to be a national powerhouse as well, things change. Idc what a program did before 1970, and frankly the most recent 20 years hold a lot more weight to the direction of a program than the 30 between 1970-2000. Also, the Cincy game wasn't even the biggest blowout of the CFB playoff last year. The Vaunted UM team that finally beat OSU, won the B1G, etc was done by the end of Q1. At least the Cincy-Bama game was competitive at halftime. Your bias is clearly seeping in, CFB semifinal games are frequently blowouts. Notable programs who've been blown out in CFB semifinal games: Notre Dame, UM, MSU, OU Washington, Clemson, FSU. Cincy did nothing to harm their reputation in the CFB semifinal game, that performance was more impressive than the showing we saw in Memorial Stadium a few months earlier.

I don't think anyone is saying Indiana should model their program after Cincy. We're saying that Cincy is a decent program and has accomplished far more than a decent number of P5 teams, they shouldn't be considered less than the KU's, RU's, Oregon State's, Arizonas, etc simply because they're GO5. You're right these things are cyclical, they'll eventually fall off, but my point is that as a program over the last 20 years, they've shown the fan support and financial backing of a standard P5 progra

lol

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

If you knew anything about UC’s nearly 150 year football history then you would absolutely understand these last 10 or so years are absolutely an exception and not the rule. UC has been poor to average for nearly 130 years of their existence and what I would categorize as consistently good for the last 10-15 years dating to back to Brian Kelly sprinkled in with an elite season or two in said time frame. UC isn’t even the first G5 program to emulate this type of success, just the beneficiary of the committee finally caving to shut up the masses. UC’s showing against Alabama is why the committee will never again invite a G5 program to the playoff.

And I’m not shit talking Cincy, I’m shit talking the idea that Cincy is some model program that IU needs to emulate. They’re no different than Boise, TCU, Louisville, South Florida, UCF, UConn, etc before them who have all had flash in the pan type runs for a year or two under good coaches who have ultimately left and seen their program find its normal level. These things are are always cyclical.

When does IU’s cycle start?

We’ve had nothing but a cycle of terrible results. It is all about smart hires and IU has very, very rarely made a smart hire. I recall the days when Oregon and Wisconsin were at the IU level. Problem is, they broke out of that mold. IU has just continued to flounder in it. Making terrible head coaching hires all along. Little schools in the Big Ten can make it if they make solid hires. IU hasn’t done that for decades. Hep may have turned out okay but you never hire a coach at a school unless he can bring his assistants. That’s the model smaller schools in big ponds need to use.

 

[jlasson]

He is just here to bitch and slam IU, just like BRCB and this new guy spewing so much BS. Nothing to take seriously.

Says the genius who thinks Darren Hiller is a competent O-line coach and that if anyone points out CTA's obviously poor judgment over the last few seasons keeping him+Sheridan on staff, they automatically are just here to slam IU.

NEWSFLASH: After a 2-10 season where you get dismantled by RUTGERS at home, you are going to receive a lot more criticism than praise. Anyone who thinks all we as fans should be doing is praising this team after the abysmal performance we saw last season is nothing but a cheerleader, maybe you should try out with the red steppers if that's how you think a fan should act. GOOD LORD in half their conference games this team looked like an FCS team that was paid millions of dollars to be a free W to our opponents. Only difference is we're in the same conference as these teams we're playing, we're not being paid anything, Indiana was quite literally a free W to every B1G team they played this year.

The refusal to critique a team that was quite literally the worst in Power 5 football last year is astounding. I, like nearly everyone else here want to see Indiana Football do as good as possible, but when I think the program is being run poorly I'm not afraid to say it. As the losingest program in the College Football, generally this program has earned far more criticism than they've earned praise.

 

[jlasson]

When does IU’s cycle start?

We’ve had nothing but a cycle of terrible results. It is all about smart hires and IU has very, very rarely made a smart hire. I recall the days when Oregon and Wisconsin were at the IU level. Problem is, they broke out of that mold. IU has just continued to flounder in it. Making terrible head coaching hires all along. Little schools in the Big Ten can make it if they make solid hires. IU hasn’t done that for decades. Hep may have turned out okay but you never hire a coach at a school unless he can bring his assistants. That’s the model smaller schools in big ponds need to use.

Smart hires and a commitment to football, the reason PU will never pass Wisco even if Jeff Brohm keeps winning is because they are not committed to sustaining success in football. Barry Alvarez deserves a lot of credit, he really trojan horsed that and turned Wisco into what they are today by convincing the UW administration that football mattered and was something that needed to be valued by the university.

IMO Wisco has the best balance of athletics and academics in the country. OSU would sell their sole if it meant another national title, IU wouldn't sell a damn tree out of Dunn's Woods for a national title(at least in FB). Wisco still maintains academic standards and doesn't want to be labeled just a "football school", but they care enough to give their HC the resources to be a top level B1G team.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Says the genius who thinks Darren Hiller is a competent O-line coach and that if anyone points out CTA's obviously poor judgment over the last few seasons keeping him+Sheridan on staff, they automatically are just here to slam IU.

NEWSFLASH: After a 2-10 season where you get dismantled by RUTGERS at home, you are going to receive a lot more criticism than praise. Anyone who thinks all we as fans should be doing is praising this team after the abysmal performance we saw last season is nothing but a cheerleader, maybe you should try out with the red steppers if that's how you think a fan should act. GOOD LORD in half their conference games this team looked like an FCS team that was paid millions of dollars to be a free W to our opponents. Only difference is we're in the same conference as these teams we're playing, we're not being paid anything, Indiana was quite literally a free W to every B1G team they played this year.

The refusal to critique a team that was quite literally the worst in Power 5 football last year is astounding. I, like nearly everyone else hear want to see Indiana Football do well, but when I think the program is being run poorly I'm not afraid to say it. As the losingest program in the College Football, generally this program has earned far more criticism than they've earned praise.

Courtsense has been watching a different program than the rest of us. Nothing but a laundry list of excuses and defending poor performance. The schedule is too tough. The injuries are too severe. Not enough people come in from tailgates.

Quite frankly, the only reason IU is in the Big Ten is for a paycheck. It’s out of it’s element and is simply a high priced welcome mat at this point in its history.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Agreed. We never really aimed high in football, with a couple of exceptions. And we lacked the leadership that would’ve ever convinced an up and coming coach to come here.

Hep says hi.

Sidebar: You are an interesting addition here Skip.

You are new here, so you wouldn't know any of this, but you come off just a bit like a guy that has been here on and off for several years. A career troll and admitted pu fan that has been banned 14 or 15 times for trolling. I think he is back at home on GBI ripping iU as "kern county" these days. Anyway this guy puts IU down as you would expect and looks up info then posts it as if it was information knew...makes him seem informed. Pretends to be a fan and all. Clearly not you.

Anyway Skip, you wouldn't know any of this since you are new, but he paid a lot of attention to my posts and passive aggressively responded directly or through others. In fact, this crazy guy went as far as pretending to attend games and have a parking spot near mine. This charade kinda blew up in his face when his bluff was called and he subsequently melted down leading to his most recent ban. It was pretty funny and you would have enjoyed it Skip.

Anyway...I digress and shouldn't bother you with all of this since you are new here and all, but it was interesting that your writing style is similar bringing back old memories.

Have a great day and welcome to the board.

 

[HoosierTim]

Hep says hi.

Sidebar: You are an interesting addition here Skip.

You are new here, so you wouldn't know any of this, but you come off just a bit like a guy that has been here on and off for several years. A career troll and admitted pu fan that has been banned 14 or 15 times for trolling. I think he is back at home on GBI ripping iU as "kern county" these days. Anyway this guy puts IU down as you would expect and looks up info then posts it as if it was information knew...makes him seem informed. Pretends to be a fan and all. Clearly not you.

Anyway Skip, you wouldn't know any of this since you are new, but he paid a lot of attention to my posts and passive aggressively responded directly or through others. In fact, this crazy guy went as far as pretending to attend games and have a parking spot near mine. This charade kinda blew up in his face when his bluff was called and he subsequently melted down leading to his most recent ban. It was pretty funny and you would have enjoyed it Skip.

Anyway...I digress and shouldn't bother you with all of this since you are new here and all, but it was interesting that your writing style is similar bringing back old memories.

Have a great day and welcome to the board.

You’re good at this. Use of punctuation, especially commas, is a dead give away for Ordy.

 

[Jackskip23]

Courtsense has been watching a different program than the rest of us. Nothing but a laundry list of excuses and defending poor performance. The schedule is too tough. The injuries are too severe. Not enough people come in from tailgates.

Quite frankly, the only reason IU is in the Big Ten is for a paycheck. It’s out of it’s element and is simply a high priced welcome mat at this point in its history.

We caught lightning in 2020 because of the unique circumstances of Covid that played very much to our favor. Reality hit us hard last year when the playing field leveled, but 2022 is a new season. Hopefully the reset gives us a chance to compete. Heck, even the thousand or so tailgaters May choose to come in and watch the game this year if we are competitive. But you can definitely tell who follows the program and who doesn’t.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

You’re good at this. Use of punctuation, especially commas, is a dead give away for Ordy.

Oh goodness no, I shouldn't have bothered the new guy with old forum baggage. Ordy is happy ripping IU and IU fans on GBI about attendance, coaches, ADs, IU avoiding covid, me, "Indinia" and how many tailgaters there actually are. This guy is different and new. Nothing to see here.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Says the genius who thinks Darren Hiller is a competent O-line coach

Really? Help me out here. When did I ever say anything close to this? In fact I have stated the opposite time and again.

considering you follow me closely you know better.

Grab a handle dude, you are following the wrong crowd.

 

[vesuvius13]

We caught lightning in 2020 because of the unique circumstances of Covid that played very much to our favor. Reality hit us hard last year when the playing field leveled, but 2022 is a new season. Hopefully the reset gives us a chance to compete. Heck, even the thousand or so tailgaters May choose to come in and watch the game this year if we are competitive. But you can definitely tell who follows the program and who doesn’t.

I would disagree that reality hit us hard as it was more Wommack defense with Wommack leaving. Reality was different in 2021 but to ignore that 2020's offense was about the defense giving them short fields covering up Sheridan's shortcomings is wrong. Add in bringing a new DC that changed the defense and its approach, the two double whammies had as much to do with the decline as the return to normal. I have belief in coach Allen he will turn this season around from 2021.

 

[jlasson]

Really? Help me out here. When did I ever say anything close to this? In fact I have stated the opposite time and again.

considering you follow me closely you know better.

Grab a handle dude, you are following the wrong crowd.

I can't keep track of who is an out and out defender of Hiller, and who agrees Hiller sucks, but doesn't want to criticize the HC's judgment. But there are some people on this board, delusional enough to believe Hiller is deserving of his current position, simply because CTA believes so.

Point being, when I criticize Allen, whether it be about Hiller, or hiding injuries from the media to "gain an advantage", or sending the FG unit onto the field when your down 2+ touchdowns late in the 3rd quarter, it's not me bashing the program, it's me pointing out that I disagree with the HC's decision. I also point out when he makes good decisions, but again after a 2-10 season it's a lot harder to find the good than the bad. This program does have plenty of issues(as every program not named Alabama does), number one being they've never had an AD that's serious about improving the football program, but I will always be rooting for them even if my comments sometimes come off as nothing but badmouthing.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I would disagree that reality hit us hard as it was more Wommack defense with Wommack leaving. Reality was different in 2021 but to ignore that 2020's offense was about the defense giving them short fields covering up Sheridan's shortcomings is wrong. Add in bringing a new DC that changed the defense and its approach, the two double whammies had as much to do with the decline as the return to normal. I have belief in coach Allen he will turn this season around from 2021.

The QB situation last year played a significant role as well as the points you make.

This season we will see an uptick in what they want to do with the speed of play eg no huddle. We have seen this before under other staff. point being, Allen wants to settle on a QB right away to facilitate the speed of play. Interested to see which player meets this need best. Going to be fun.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I can't keep track of who is an out and out defender of Hiller, and who agrees Hiller sucks

Then I would say the same thing to you that I just did to the Buffaloe guy...feel free to criticize anything I post (I get things wrong sometimes), I just ask that you criticize that which I actually post and not something made up.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Courtsense has been watching a different program than the rest of us. Nothing but a laundry list of excuses and defending poor performance. The schedule is too tough. The injuries are too severe. Not enough people come in from tailgates.

Actually there are not enough seats for everyone to come in from the lots. So no, I don't complain about that. I simply state that if and when IU FB is good...more people come find their seats. Winning fills stadiums, that has been proven time after time.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

I missed where Brian Kelly was coaching Cincinnati in a major college football conference.

I missed where Luke Fickell was coaching Cincinnati in a major college football conference.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

You’re good at this. Use of punctuation, especially commas, is a dead give away for Ordy.

Ordy? That told me all I need to know about you. You make some fair points but you also waste a lot of o2.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

We caught lightning in 2020 because of the unique circumstances of Covid that played very much to our favor. Reality hit us hard last year when the playing field leveled, but 2022 is a new season. Hopefully the reset gives us a chance to compete. Heck, even the thousand or so tailgaters May choose to come in and watch the game this year if we are competitive. But you can definitely tell who follows the program and who doesn’t.

Covid favoritism. And injuries are used as excuses. What crap.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

I can't keep track of who is an out and out defender of Hiller, and who agrees Hiller sucks, but doesn't want to criticize the HC's judgment. But there are some people on this board, delusional enough to believe Hiller is deserving of his current position, simply because CTA believes so.

Point being, when I criticize Allen, whether it be about Hiller, or hiding injuries from the media to "gain an advantage", or sending the FG unit onto the field when your down 2+ touchdowns late in the 3rd quarter, it's not me bashing the program, it's me pointing out that I disagree with the HC's decision. I also point out when he makes good decisions, but again after a 2-10 season it's a lot harder to find the good than the bad. This program does have plenty of issues(as every program not named Alabama does), number one being they've never had an AD that's serious about improving the football program, but I will always be rooting for them even if my comments sometimes come off as nothing but badmouthing.

Yes very apparent you suffer difficulties in those areas.

 

[Hoosier Clarion]

Courtsense has been watching a different program than the rest of us. Nothing but a laundry list of excuses and defending poor performance. The schedule is too tough. The injuries are too severe. Not enough people come in from tailgates.

Quite frankly, the only reason IU is in the Big Ten is for a paycheck. It’s out of it’s element and is simply a high priced welcome mat at this point in its history.

Words from the Big Red Bearcat.

 

[Jackskip23]

I would disagree that reality hit us hard as it was more Wommack defense with Wommack leaving. Reality was different in 2021 but to ignore that 2020's offense was about the defense giving them short fields covering up Sheridan's shortcomings is wrong. Add in bringing a new DC that changed the defense and its approach, the two double whammies had as much to do with the decline as the return to normal. I have belief in coach Allen he will turn this season around from 2021.

WomMack’s defense was Tom Allen’s defense, and it was the perfect approach to teams that couldn’t practice and prepare on a regular schedule. It didn’t change that much under Warren, either. It still invoked bringing pressure from various levels and it still involved a combination of man and zone packages in the back. It remained the baby of Coach Allen, too. Sheridan got fired because he badly mismanaged the quarterback position, and it blew up what was already an iffy offense in 2021. There are some people here who either don’t follow the program closely or don’t know what they’re watching. You’re neither of those, but what was saw on D last year wasn’t much of a change from 2020. Teams being able to prepare for it was a huge change, though.

Go Hoosiers.

 

[76-1]

WomMack’s defense was Tom Allen’s defense, and it was the perfect approach to teams that couldn’t practice and prepare on a regular schedule. It didn’t change that much under Warren, either. It still invoked bringing pressure from various levels and it still involved a combination of man and zone packages in the back. It remained the baby of Coach Allen, too. Sheridan got fired because he badly mismanaged the quarterback position, and it blew up what was already an iffy offense in 2021. There are some people here who either don’t follow the program closely or don’t know what they’re watching. You’re neither of those, but what was saw on D last year wasn’t much of a change from 2020. Teams being able to prepare for it was a huge change, though.

Go Hoosiers.

I disagree...

Wommack's version of TA's D had a unique set of pressures and blitzes..., along with a 4 deep approach to rotations... Last years version rarely showed anything close to the blitz innovations of the prior year and only very rarely went beyond the two deep in the rotation (unless forced to by injury)... All of which equaled a D that wore down on the back end and lost motivation (and inevitably a lot of "depth" guys to the Portal)...

Hopefully TA has done an in depth analysis of what worked in the past and what didn't work last fall and can ignore the easy excuse that the failures of the O caused most of the problems... If he hasn't it could be a long season...

 

[vesuvius13]

WomMack’s defense was Tom Allen’s defense, and it was the perfect approach to teams that couldn’t practice and prepare on a regular schedule. It didn’t change that much under Warren, either. It still invoked bringing pressure from various levels and it still involved a combination of man and zone packages in the back. It remained the baby of Coach Allen, too. Sheridan got fired because he badly mismanaged the quarterback position, and it blew up what was already an iffy offense in 2021. There are some people here who either don’t follow the program closely or don’t know what they’re watching. You’re neither of those, but what was saw on D last year wasn’t much of a change from 2020. Teams being able to prepare for it was a huge change, though.

Go Hoosiers.

I have more experience with football than you know and the defense looked much different and didn't do the things you think coach Warren did. Zone coverage changed and wasn't run the same way as the year before. Players didn't fly to the ball in zone coverage as they did the previous year. We didn't see the same stunts as the previous year no matter what you claim. I love it when posters try to knock down others on the board not realizing who they are posting to. I would put up my coaching record against your "expertise" any day. Notice I haven't attacked your knowledge of football because I don't know your background in football. This board would be much better if posters would accept that difference in opinions happen and don't mean others don't see things in different ways.

 

[Jackskip23]

I have more experience with football than you know and the defense looked much different and didn't do the things you think coach Warren did. Zone coverage changed and wasn't run the same way as the year before. Players didn't fly to the ball in zone coverage as they did the previous year. We didn't see the same stunts as the previous year no matter what you claim. I love it when posters try to knock down others on the board not realizing who they are posting to. I would put up my coaching record against your "expertise" any day. Notice I haven't attacked your knowledge of football because I don't know your background in football. This board would be much better if posters would accept that difference in opinions happen and don't mean others don't see things in different ways.

I wasn’t attacking you or trying to hurt your feelings in any way, but what worked in 2020 didn’t in 2021, and that had much more to do with the ability of our opponents to prepare for it than it did any changes, which were very modest. Remember, the season changed on McFadden’s blitz in the UC game, and it was the exact same kind of pressure we brought the year before. The difference was that UC, Iowa and many others prepared for and picked up our packages, whereas the previous season didn’t allow teams to do that.

No intent to upset you or challenge your football knowledge, but Warren didn’t change nearly as much as some think. We just weren’t able to execute it the same way.

 

[Jackskip23]

I disagree...

Wommack's version of TA's D had a unique set of pressures and blitzes..., along with a 4 deep approach to rotations... Last years version rarely showed anything close to the blitz innovations of the prior year and only very rarely went beyond the two deep in the rotation (unless forced to by injury)... All of which equaled a D that wore down on the back end and lost motivation (and inevitably a lot of "depth" guys to the Portal)...

Hopefully TA has done an in depth analysis of what worked in the past and what didn't work last fall and can ignore the easy excuse that the failures of the O caused most of the problems... If he hasn't it could be a long season...

We still rotated up front last year, but we were never a four deep D line in 2020 or any other year. We don’t carry enough players to go that deep.

 

[76-1]

We still rotated up front last year, but we were never a four deep D line in 2020 or any other year. We don’t carry enough players to go that deep.

You and I were watching two different teams in 2020 then... Mine was wearing Cream & Crimson...

* Edited to reflect the correct season - 2020

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I disagree...

Wommack's version of TA's D had a unique set of pressures and blitzes..., along with a 4 deep approach to rotations... Last years version rarely showed anything close to the blitz innovations of the prior year and only very rarely went beyond the two deep in the rotation (unless forced to by injury)... All of which equaled a D that wore down on the back end and lost motivation (and inevitably a lot of "depth" guys to the Portal)...

Hopefully TA has done an in depth analysis of what worked in the past and what didn't work last fall and can ignore the easy excuse that the failures of the O caused most of the problems... If he hasn't it could be a long season...

As you say the D schemes changed substantially and it didn’t work well especially late as the team wore down.

 

[Jackskip23]

You and I were watching two different teams in 2021 then... Mine was wearing Cream & Crimson...

The schemes really didn’t change much at all, though the results surely did, and we know why that occurred. But we never went four deep in the D rotations. No one does that.

 

[76-1]

The schemes really didn’t change much at all, though the results surely did, and we know why that occurred. But we never went four deep in the D rotations. No one does that.

D. Lewis, S. Jones, C.J. Person, J. King, all saw key PT in 2020... That was our 4th string...

I don't know exactly who you are but it's extremely unlikely that you're actually an INDIANA fan...

 

[Jackskip23]

D. Lewis, S. Jones, C.J. Person, J. King, all saw key PT in 2020... That was our 4th string...

I don't know exactly who you are but it's extremely unlikely that you're actually an INDIANA fan...

Not sure how close you follow the program, but Person had 8 total tackles, King had 6. Lewis had none, which is a big reason why he left (he barely got on the field). Jones wasn’t on the roster. We've never gone four deep at any position, some years the receiver groups go 3 deep. Huge Indiana football fan for a long long time. How about you? Go Hoosiers.