Seems like a strange move but he's allowed to make his own choices. I wish him luck and hope he comes back home in the coming years.
McCulloch to Cincy?
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This rumor has floated around BTown for a week or so. NIL money at Cincy was a factor.
The story of Dad coming back to IU to coach his sons and mold men with LEO sorta blew up.
They sure talked that shit when they came back.
It was never about that. It was always about getting daddy on the fast track to become a coordinator or head coach. The guy suddenly picks up the phone and wants to come back to Bloomington because he’s missed it so much? Sure. That’s what he tried to sell it as.
I would disagree with that statement. The longer I've had to sit with the DMC move, the less angry I am by it. I will agree that selling like you were in it for the long haul and then leaving after a year was contradictory, but frankly all coaches act like they're in it long term at their present job and he has coached in Bloomington as long as anywhere else, meaning his sons have lived in Bloomington as long as anywhere else. Idk if Dasan will stay or not, but lets not act like because Deland moved onto a better job and Daeh chose not to come to IU that means they don't care about Bloomington or IU, the reality is just that in their opinions, there are better opportunities elsewhere. We know that Indiana is not a college football Mecca.
Deland's job performance is largely reliant on a stable O-line and if nothing else we can all agree that the O-linemen at Notre Dame are more talented than the O-linemen at IU and Darren Hiller doesn't even compare to Harry Hiestand as an O-line coach. As for Daeh, while I question why someone would choose GO5 over P5, by the end of Daeh's career Cincy will be P5 and they just made a CFB playoff, plus Kerry Coombs does have a stronger track record for putting guys in the league than Jason Jones. We just need to move on and hope Dasan stays because frankly, he's more valuable than both of the other McCulloughs.
Hindsight is 20/20. I was convinced they're weren't bullshitting. Boy, they laid it on thick.
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I think this is also about PT too.
IU’s DB three deep is loaded with experienced JRs and SRs
Daeh’s oldest brother Deland didn’t crack that lineup.
UC lost a lot of DB starters from the ’21 squad.
Dasan appears to be the heir apparent for Cam Jones next year.
He’ll get the fourth most snaps at LB this season if if doesn’t red shirt, to be a 4 year starter.
But it could be about the money.
IU’s DB three deep is loaded with experienced JRs and SRs
Daeh’s oldest brother Deland didn’t crack that lineup.
UC lost a lot of DB starters from the ’21 squad.
Dasan appears to be the heir apparent for Cam Jones next year.
He’ll get the fourth most snaps at LB this season if if doesn’t red shirt, to be a 4 year starter.
But it could be about the money.
How much money does the family need? I'm not saying that they're generationally wealthy, but it's public information that their father has made some coin the past 10 years. Is $50k really going to do anything for their quality of life?
Well he did blow up the running back room.
How so?
Stephen Carr graduated. Tim Baldwin couldn't hold onto the the ball and when he got benched decided he was going to run. Sampson James transferred before the season last year because he wasn't going to be the starter. If he wasn't all the way in, why would we want him?
He built the current room up. If Shivers or Henderson kill it this year, is anyone gonna give him credit for getting either to come to Bloomington?
Carr was back in California before the season ended, and Baldwin and James were never going to be the answer for us.
The 2022 guys are a thin, untested group. Shivers is a third down back who wants more touches, but 15 is probably his max to preserve his health. Henderson isn’t going to be a guy who does much for us. The younger guys couldn’t get on the field last year when the door was open. Definitely a running back by committee approach with more questions than answers.
Go Hoosiers.
DMC had Carr pencilled in as soon as we landed him, which made the other backs question whether it was open competition to begin with. That’s where the disruption began. I think DMC did more harm than good in a trying season, particularly as it wore on.
Deland II is going to be a career ST player at IU. Honestly I didn't think Daeh was a huge loss. Good player, would've certainly been a solid piece for our class, but for being a top 250 kid his athleticism is pretty meh, meaning he was closer to his ceiling than most guys of his ranking. IMO Dasan is probably too big to be a true linebacker, assuming he puts on any more weight now that he's at Indiana, his top end speed will probably be too low to play in Jones's spot(his highlights at the All American game were pretty underwhelming, and he was playing a true linebacker role then).
I've been hearing bull, he's got ridiculous length, agility, and strength, but his top end speed wasn't his specialty even his senior year of HS, I would be very surprised if he could jump back to linebacker in college. Wherever he is used though I can't wait to see him on the field for at least one season(hopefully he stays longer but honestly I have no idea where he stands as of rn, he could've asked for a release and didn't which is a good sign, but he also seems very distant from Indiana on his socials so who knows). He seems most suited to be a great bull off the edge, long and quick enough to seal the corners on running backs but strong enough where he won't get bullied by B1G OT's in the pass rush.
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I don't have inside info but from the outside those guys that either left or got turned off, could have been helpful to have as the season went on. Now everyone is new but the coach is gone.
Of course I'm trying to be optimistic that the whole cluster of the running game wasn't the fault of the O line coach who is still here.
Those guys definitely would've been helpful, especially knowing we were going to lose Stephen for the last 4 games. But Sampson was a flight risk anyway, he had already entered the portal once and that was before his position coach left, couple that with a new transfer and I felt it was not if but when.
Tim is just a quitter, I can't put it any other way, Idc if you enter the portal in this day and age, but to enter the portal midseason because you lost reps after fumbling in back to back games(possibly costing us the Cincy game) is just a losers mindset. Even if he entered the portal the day after the Purdue game, his value would've gone nowhere but up by staying on the roster, even if he were benched the whole season. A few weeks pass, Stephen goes down and this clown would've been RB1(as a RS freshman mind you), but he left the program, he would've had four weeks as a starter to show other programs how good a RB he was with no competition other than walk on's, but he decided to quit as soon as things got tough and now he's at the worst program in the FBS. Lol while the walk on who ended up carrying the load at the end of the year transferred to WKU on scholarship, a much more formidable GO5 Program. The kid that started as a walk on earned a scholarship to a better program than the kid w a scholarship at a P5 school, that's karma.
All of these guys would excel at other schools. It’s not the RBs, it’s the OL. If the OL doesn’t play like a bunch of cream puffs this year, I expect a couple of these guys to shine.
Very True, Carr certainly didn't live up to his 5 star rating but in the games where the O-line actually won the Line of scrimmage(WKU and Maryland) he looked like a very solid back. His stats in those two games were 109 yards on 4.4 YPC and 136 yards on 6.6 YPC respectively, plus he scored two touchdowns in each game. As the NFL has seemed to pick up on, having an effective O-line is far more important to establishing the run than having a Kenneth Walker in the backfield. I also echo BRCBs sentiment that these guys will succeed if they have decent blocking in front of them.
Cincy has a real commitment to football and far greater success than IU. They’ll be P5 in the Big 12. They have advantages that IU just cannot match. Coaching, fan base. Post season. Bigger city. They really check all the boxes. Seems like a no-brainer. Let’s be honest: IU is closer to a G5 school than Cincinnati. Cincy has a football playoff as well.
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And what specifically do you disagree with? Put your bias as an IU fan aside. You are a young recruit and you can play at 2-10 IU or play at newly minted Big 12 Cincinnati coming off a playoff appearance under Luke Fickell. Is it that close?
Most of it. Fan base, commitment, city is a negative, facilities. Cincy is a mid major trying to compete. Take your anti IU bias glasses off once a day and focus on something else.
Cincinnati’s biggest asset is Fickell and his coaching staff. He’s excellent, and he’s created a winning culture that is attracting good recruits and coaches. LF is the real deal, and UC will continue to ascend under his leadership. Not sure they’ll ever have the kind of season they did last year, but they’ll continue to be a force in CFB under his leadership. The recently refreshed Nippert is impressive, too, and it gives them a nice home field advantage and atmosphere.
If the concessions continue to be operated so poorly (the UC game last Fall was a disaster) no one will be able to eat or drink anything, so the troughs won’t be needed. The one or two thousand tailgaters who drift in and out or who never go in can still use the individual restroom facilities amply provided in the parking areas. They don’t really care anyway. Everyone wins!
I don’t believe that’s even a possibility for at least two more years, and I hope it never comes to that. A big reset in the sixth year is jarring for any of us who follow the program closely, but Coach Allen likely has a long runway in front of him. Restoring competitiveness this season would be a good start.
Go Hoosiers.
Agree restoring competitiveness is a good start. I guess it shows how thin the margin of error is to win a game.
I’m not anti-IU. Just disgusted with decades of terrible leadership that reduced IU to what amounts to a mid major (yes - we look like a mid major school) masquerading as a P5 school.
You forget I have seen your posts for a long time. I know better. Use this on the newbies.
We will know more about this at the end of this season. CTA thus far has two excellent seasons and one terrible one. This is a telltale season and the temp of his seat will be measured in January.
But yes, we have the facilities and other infrastructure in place. It comes down to coaching.
The unique characteristics that made the Covid season so special for us weren’t there in 2021, and we came crashing back to reality. Don’t think many of us thought the fall would be so quick and so far, but it wasn’t a huge shock, either. Now we need to find our way back to competitiveness quickly so we can maintain a solid recruiting pitch and creat stability in the program.
Go Hoosiers.
It's not unreasonable to aspire to 2019-like seasons being the norm. Throw in a stellar year every once in a while and I'm happy.
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I would rather have 2020-like seasons being the norm
Greedy bastage.
Not in the least...if that is what you want. I always laugh at those that prescribe to the "covid affected everyone but IU" nonsense to try to explain away the success.
Particularly those that benefitted by avoiding another I on the chain.
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