McCollum
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Elite? DeVries? Way too early to be saying that. McCollum clearly elite as a D2 coach and off to a good start at the next level.
Not telling the players was a great move.
You tell a bunch of 18 to 22 year-old guys that you’re leaving before you even have your press conference at IU and that shit leaks out within less than a minute.
Right thing to do: don’t ever tell young people anything, not with a phone in their hand.
Dispatched Missouri with ease.
People think the D1 stage is too big for McCollum and that guy is not intimidated at any level.
Loved his quote tonight.
“I expected this.”
Yes, I realize this, I was projecting potential. I would like to think we all understand that.
Point being, maybe they will both be elite. It’s okay if they’re are. We can only have one.
It’s dws, there is no link. But I keep seeing dumb shit like that posted, so it must be true…
898-1332 before Collins came never made the tournament in there history. Collins is 194-190 made the tournament 3 times in 10 years I would say that's pretty remarkable for probably the worse program in basketball history in a major conference. In 8 seasons at Rhode Island and two at Wagner Danny Hurley went to two tournaments with a .579 winning percentage now look what he doing at UConn. I could use other examples point being Collins is a good coach give him more talent and resources the guy can be a really good coach.
He's a highly respected coach who stayed in D2 for what, 14 years? Seems like I heard he really agonized over taking the Drake job. It won't surprise me at all if he stays at Drake for awhile. Maybe Iowa is a dream job for him, but he just might like stability and want to stay at a place for awhile. We saw it with Bob McKillop, Few, and McDermott all of whom have had opportunities to move to bigger pastures. Quite possible that ultimately McCollum told SD he was staying at Drake. But, we've got CDD and I like what I've seen and heard. Let's go Hoosiers!
I think this is a real possibility, and I suspect maybe one of the reasons Dolson didn't open what most accounts now have as a very narrow, DeVries centric, search, up more and more seriously consider McCollum...and probably vice versa.
One of the things that struck me in one of McCollum's interviews, was his answer on the interview process for D1 level jobs. He made it very clear that he's looking for a program that will give him space, and allow him to run his own program, without expectations that he needs to allow any sort of access or control from outside the program.
I don't say this as a bad thing...but maybe both McCollum and Dolson realized, quickly, that IU wasn't going to be a great fit for that part of his approach? Maybe IU is a "gotta play the game" type job...
I've spent so much time in recent weeks "worrying" that we were going to miss out on McCollum's greatness. And maybe we have. But maybe IU wasn't the place for him to thrive and be great? Its very possible he does go to Iowa, or Minnesota, or somewhere like that, and builds a B10 title contending program... That isn't going to impact Indiana much though. And maybe Dolson is more realistic about who IU is, dynamics that are specific to IU, and feels that DeVries fits much better.
i afraid we may regret not going after McCollum but that's water under the bridge now.
I'm pretty sure IU was talking with Ben at the end. How it ended up being Darian and not Ben we may never find out.
Ben is a great coach, the thing I cannot assess at all is if how well he would do with the CEO nature of the IU job and the need to do high-end recruiting. My guess is he would do just fine or better, but I've never met the guy.
That was a nice win yesterday. Normally I would cheer for them against TTU, but I prefer they lose so it doesn't amplify the woulda/coulda/shoulda. vbg
Very possible we will. I've been as outspoken for a McCollum hire as anyone, for as long as anyone.
But in the end, as long as DeVries is successful, it won't matter much what McCollum does.
And McCollum is really young, maybe he stays at Drake for a bit, and if DeVries doesn't work out longer term, McCollum could be a candidate in the future? Maybe at that point, he and IU will be more ready for each other??
The part I was referring to, was a couple comments, inferences mainly, that he made about AD's and influential program people wanting to be more involved than McCollum would have wanted them to be. It was an answer on why he didn't take, or get, other D1 jobs while he was at NWMS.
That's the thread that I think could be pulled, and the main reason he isn't gonna be IU's coach next year could be found.
History could show that Dolson was a dumbass, soft, short sighted...pick your bad description... for not realizing McCollum is so good, that he should have been open to just handing him the keys, pulling EVERYONE back and away to give him room, and just allowing him to run with IU basketball.
Or...history could show that getting a similar principled basketball mind, that's more open to working with IU's..."resourceful people"... was a brilliant move.
I've been on record a bazillion times that I didn't want Indiana to become like Wisconsin or Purdue type programs. Always near the top of the B10, but rarely, if ever being a legit FF or Natty contender. Maybe Dolson felt like McCollum guaranteed Wisconsin types of success, but that DeVries gives us a chance to become like Kansas had been prior to this year.
Yes he seems to be a good coach but we just do now know how he will do on a big level in a fishbowl like IU because it is so much more than just coaching. I am assuming Dolson would have hired him if he had no concerns about him being able to move up to IU. Also, the Bo Ryan comparison was a different time. Bo Ryan did not have to compete with NIL and the portal. He could keep guys in a system five years and he did. He redshirted alot of them and his teams were usually full of guys who had been around three or four years. I bet McCullum stays at Drake but thats just my opinion.
He'd be "successful" wherever he were to go. IU, Duke, Iowa, wherever. But I do suspect the whole "fishbowl" environment, he probably isn't comfortable with it. Might never be. But I suspect its more about dealing with all the stakeholders in IU basketball, or what UK or Kansas or Duke, would be like. Not the fan base, or anything like that.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if he stayed at Drake for a few more years. But also could easily see him at an Iowa, or Northwestern, or Vanderbilt, or Virginia... type school. And immediately having those schools competing for conference titles.
The general consensus of the Fo68 After Dark crew (Goodman, et al) was that DD fit better at IU than BM (or Dusty).
Gives me hope that if that's true, that its for good reasons. And that DeVries is a guy that will be able to MAXIMIZE what being at IU can provide.
I mean if it was 1995 he would probably do great at IU. You could build teams then. Redshirt guys. And they stuck around four years. It is more like the NBA now and not all coaches are going to be cut out for that at a bigger school. IU is willing to give like 7 million in NIL and no way he would need that. The type of guys he would recruit are not going to cost 1.2 million a year.
You, we, have no idea who he'd recruit to play at IU. I suspect if he had gotten the job, he'd have brought Stirtz and a couple other Drake guys with him, but would have went out and gotten some other really good, smart, players as well. He talked, in depth, about how he recruits. Basically looks for winners first as a filter, and then gets to know all of them and figures out what makes them tick and decides if that fits what makes his program tick. I think the 7 million in NIL would have been well utilized with McCollum. And watching his team suffocate a really good, SEC level offense, last night... if he's doing that with guys that are a couple inches taller and longer, and maybe have a little bit better verticals and 40 yard dash times...but are still bought in to his system... well that should scare the rest of the college bball world a little bit.
I suspect thats what will happen for him. I think it'll start to happen for him at Drake, if he stays there. But it would be accelerated if he were to go to a P4 school...especially one with NIL capabilities like IU.
I guess we will never know but at some point he will get a bigger job and we will see how he does at a P5 school. I mean he beat a SEC team last but the real question is could he do it night in and night out for 20 games a year when they all have ample time to scout him and get to play him twice a year. I know you will say yes but imo it was not worth the risk at this point after the last two fiascos. If he had been at Drake say three or four years I would probably say yes.
McNeese State is already going to be involved in a Good vs Evil game. And, for one game at least, Will Wade will be wearing the white hat. 😁
