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I mean the way some of you talk mccullum is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one year of D1 experience Boy if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure he could work out but he also could flame. I remember hearing how archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about archie.
Better chance with him than Beard
 
I mean the way some of you talk mccullum is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one year of D1 experience Boy if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure he could work out but he also could flame. I remember hearing how archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about archie.
I never called Archie a home run hire, and, in fact, expressed my disappointment at the time he was hired.

Don't lump me in with 'people'.
 
I never called Archie a home run hire, and, in fact, expressed my disappointment at the time he was hired.

Don't lump me in with 'people'.
What would I say then? I’d say that I was wrong.
But he looks like the most attractive guy out there now. That was not the case with Archie.
 
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What would I say then? I’d say that I was wrong.
But he looks like the most attractive guy out there now. That was not the case with Archie.
I didn't agree with the Archie hire, but I understand it.

My feeling is, they couldn't have interviewed him much beyond a cursory introduction. There was no way he has the personality to handle a job like IU's.
 
So what happens if Drake gets waxed in the first round?
Probably the same thing that happened when UK lost in the first round last year.
In Mike Woodson's best season - 23 - IU was in the 7% in off efficiency. Beard has matched Mike Woodson once. Top 8% this year, top 7% during his tourney run but at seasons end before his lucky run they were sub 10%.

Every champion in the 30 sec era was in the 3% (UNC 3%, Kansas2%) with most in the 1% (everyone else). Beard has never come close. This team, is probably his best offensive team .. and isn't as good as Woodson's best offensive team. So was Woodson's 23 offense "elite"? lmao ..

He's elite defensively, his pinnacle in offense has been as good as Mike Woodson offensively. Certainly not elite. To be elite he would have to be elite in both.

To be a champion, the coach has to have the ability to teach elite offense and the philosophy to play an elite offense combined with a good (10% or better) defense. He has not shown he has the chops on offense side. Not even close.

Is he better than what we have? Defensively, yes, he's a good coach but until he ditches that geriatric snooze fest of an ineffective dinosaur offense and joins the 21st century, he'll probably never win a championship.

We want championships, right?
This is my hesitation about Beard as well. Even his best team did not impress me as being dynamic offensively. I won’t complain if he is hired, but I won’t be excited, either.
 
I mean the way some of you talk mccullum is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one year of D1 experience Boy if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure he could work out but he also could flame. I remember hearing how archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about archie.
I mean the way some of you talk, Beard is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one deep run in the NCAAT and several middle of the pack conference finishes. Boy, if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure, he could work out but he also could flameout. I remember hearing how Archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about Archie.

For the record, I’m not against Beard being the guy, I just prefer McCollum or McCasland.
 
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I mean the way some of you talk, Beard is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one deep run in the NCAAT and several middle of the pack conference finishes. Boy, if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure, he could work out but he also could flameout. I remember hearing how Archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about Archie.

For the record, I’m not against Beard being the guy, I just prefer McCollum or McCasland.
Beard has taken his team to two Elite eights and almost won a national title. He had Texas in the top ten in his second season and turned around a moribund Ole Miss program quickly.
 
Beard has taken his team to two Elite eights and almost won a national title. He had Texas in the top ten in his second season and turned around a moribund Ole Miss program quickly.
Understood. As I said, I’m not against Beard, but I do hesitate because I generally don’t see a lot of offensive firepower from his teams.
 
This is a disaster waiting to happen. I will be ready to tell you I told you so if McCollum is hired. This has Archie 2.0 all over it.
And I'll be just as ready to do the same for you when he's wildly successful here. But I'm sure by that time you'll be hard to find. Hiding behind a new name.
 
I didn't agree with the Archie hire, but I understand it.

My feeling is, they couldn't have interviewed him much beyond a cursory introduction. There was no way he has the personality to handle a job like IU's.

I'm not sure what the "personality" thing has to do with the quality of the basketball product put on the floor. That said, he was clueless about IU culture -- I would have fired him on the spot when the team didn't come out for Knight's return to Assembly Hall. That was unforgivable.
 
I have been sticking with Scott Drew call me crazy.
Admittedly I'm not a huge fan, but I can at least admit that he could probably win at IU. However, his contract is super high. I'm not sure IU puts that kind of money down for another buyout.
 
I'm not sure what the "personality" thing has to do with the quality of the basketball product put on the floor. That said, he was clueless about IU culture -- I would have fired him on the spot when the team didn't come out for Knight's return to Assembly Hall. That was unforgivable.

I think the personality of the coach will definitely be reflected in the product on the court.
 
I'm not sure what the "personality" thing has to do with the quality of the basketball product put on the floor. That said, he was clueless about IU culture -- I would have fired him on the spot when the team didn't come out for Knight's return to Assembly Hall. That was unforgivable.
It's pretty clear that Archie was an introvert. Taking on a job like IU's requires a Type A personality and one that has a personality others can admire and follow.

Archie always looked lost at time outs and the team ignored him. He didn't have the personality to be coach at IU.
 
It's pretty clear that Archie was an introvert. Taking on a job like IU's requires a Type A personality and one that has a personality others can admire and follow.

Archie always looked lost at time outs and the team ignored him. He didn't have the personality to be coach at IU.
How did that dweeb ever snag that smoke show wife of his?
 
It's pretty clear that Archie was an introvert. Taking on a job like IU's requires a Type A personality and one that has a personality others can admire and follow.

Archie always looked lost at time outs and the team ignored him. He didn't have the personality to be coach at IU.
Weird that he's even a coach at all then. I don't know any introvert coaches.
 
I guess if you don't think a 14-6 NCAA record, a runner up finish and an elite 8, doing it all without any top recruits, and building 4 programs now isn't elite then i don't really know what to tell you.
8 of those wins happened in 2018 and 2019. He’s 2-2 this decade and has been to the NCAA tournament the same number of times as Mike Woodson.
 
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NIL funds will make a difference. Iowa is at $1.5MM and $3.6MM in revenue sharing next year. IU will have 3-4x, and possibly more, if they hire the right guy, in NIL money alone.
Very seriously doubt the NIL budget will weigh heavily on McCollums decision.

If both schools legitimately want him, he made it pretty clear he’ll choose the school that he believes will allow him to run his program how he wants to. And I’ll add, I suspect he’s looking for an AD and overall admin that is openly and believably excited for he and his philosophies to become a part of their school.

He’s the type of guy I could see taking a random job like Minnesota if that’s where he felt most comfortable.
 
I mean the way some of you talk, Beard is going to come in and win 25 games a year no problem with his one deep run in the NCAAT and several middle of the pack conference finishes. Boy, if he flames out in four years what are you guys going to say then? I mean sure, he could work out but he also could flameout. I remember hearing how Archie was a massive home run hire. People really like to pretend things like that were never said about Archie.

For the record, I’m not against Beard being the guy, I just prefer McCollum or McCasland.
Any of the candidates could flame out. There are no guarantees. Even seasoned coaches might just be a bad fit. There are examples of coaches all over the country who did great at one stop and sucked at their next.
 
And I'll be just as ready to do the same for you when he's wildly successful here. But I'm sure by that time you'll be hard to find. Hiding behind a new name.
No I didn't want Woodson either I knew it was a bad hire nobody


was hiring Woodson. McCollum might be good one day but only coaches one year in Divsion 1 I'm not taking a chance on a high celing low floor guy Indiana has to get this right Archie was the young can't miss guy and look what happend.
 
No I didn't want Woodson either I knew it was a bad hire nobody


was hiring Woodson. McCollum might be good one day but only coaches one year in Divsion 1 I'm not taking a chance on a high celing low floor guy Indiana has to get this right Archie was the young can't miss guy and look what happend.
How can you dismiss every coach from smaller conferences just because one failed? Many more have been successful.
 
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Bobby Hurley, Archie Miller, Keno Davis, Richard Pitino, John Groce, Mike Rhoades, Porter Moser, Wes Miller. Matt McMahon, Craig Smith.. All these guys were very successful at lower division one schools and when they moved up things went bad. McCollum needs more experience one year in Divsion 1 is not enough.
 
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Bobby Hurley, Archie Miller, Keno Davis, Richard Pitino, John Groce, Mike Rhoades, Porter Moser, Wes Miller. Matt McMahon, Craig Smith.. All these guys were very successful at lower division one schools and when they moved up things went bad. McCollum needs more experience one year in Divsion 1 is not enough.
I seem to remember a very young guy named Robert Knight who came from a small program...............
 
McCollum is 283-17 in his last nine seasons.

That’s not a typo.

He’s also dancing in year one, starting four D2 transfers. Kids clearly like him. The coaching community really admires him. I’m not all that worried about recruiting, every coach has recruited decent talent to IU. We need a damn coach that translates talent to Ws. If anything about IU coaching is clear as day, that is.
 
Bobby Hurley, Archie Miller, Keno Davis, Richard Pitino, John Groce, Mike Rhoades, Porter Moser, Wes Miller. Matt McMahon, Craig Smith.. All these guys were very successful at lower division one schools and when they moved up things went bad. McCollum needs more experience one year in Divsion 1 is not enough.
Gee, I guess Beard, May and Otzenberger, etc...didn't coach at lower Division I before their current gigs? So they all started at the top like Scheyer did?
 
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