Maty Mauk....

[mattndallas]

Suspended for the rest of the season. Not sure what the reason.

Given our QB situation....any chance he looks elsewhere for Sr season? Someplace closer to home? I dunno.

Also of note....for some reason, Mizzou (like us) loses games without its starting QB. I thought championship caliber teams like Mizzou could just plug and play, and win...without their star QB?

 

[cidsports]

Had he not already been benched and replaced?

 

[mattndallas]

Had he not already been benched and replaced?

No. Had been suspended, re-instated last week during their bye week, then today suspended for the rest of the year. Not sure what the issue is...or if he's even done for good there.

But for us...with a good chunk of team back next year...but no heir apparent QB.....whi knows? I'd "rent-a-Mauk" for a year.

 

[Iudanapoint]

Suspended for the rest of the season. Not sure what the reason.

Given our QB situation....any chance he looks elsewhere for Sr season? Someplace closer to home? I dunno.

Also of note....for some reason, Mizzou (like us) loses games without its starting QB. I thought championship caliber teams like Mizzou could just plug and play, and win...without their star QB?

Tough to do, tho Mizzou has recruited well for that position into the future, while IU hasn't. Good programs do those things.

 

[mattndallas]

Tough to do, tho Mizzou has recruited well for that position into the future, while IU hasn't. Good programs do those things.

Obviously.

Their 3, 6, and 3 point totals the last three weeks with Mauk's backup has shown they obviously receuit well. Unlike IU, when their #1 goes down, they just plug and play and keep churning.

 

[Iudanapoint]

Obviously.

Their 3, 6, and 3 point totals the last three weeks with Mauk's backup has shown they obviously receuit well. Unlike IU, when their #1 goes down, they just plug and play and keep churning.

You might want to do some research on Mizzou's quarterback recruiting. Lock has struggled, but he was a high level recruit. And be sure to check back on a year or so when Lock fulfills his obvious potential.

I know you're trying to make a point, but you could stay in the Big Ten to see what Purdue, Michigan and Wisconsin have gotten from their back up quarterbacks when called into duty.

 

[mattndallas]

Explain to me when CKW was supposed to have recruited a QB to fill the void of last and this year?

When the 2014 class closed we had three "starting quality" QB's.

In the 2015 class, we have a kid that flipped from another quality team, and is red-shirting.

You're not gonna get alot of 4-stars to come to IU when they have 3 "starters" already in front of you (2014), or a true Frosh that can seasmlessly step in for Sudfeld (2015).

In what year, in your opinion, did they fail in the QB recruitment?

 

[Iudanapoint]

Explain to me when CKW was supposed to have recruited a QB to fill the void of last and this year?

When the 2014 class closed we had three "starting quality" QB's.

In the 2015 class, we have a kid that flipped from another quality team, and is red-shirting.

You're not gonna get alot of 4-stars to come to IU when they have 3 "starters" already in front of you (2014), or a true Frosh that can seasmlessly step in for Sudfeld (2015).

In what year, in your opinion, did they fail in the QB recruitment?

He's had that responsibility since he was named the coach. And the fact is none of the kids on IU's roster (or committed for next year) at that position were highly recruited, with only NS having a P5 offer other than IU (which was rescinded through no fault of his when UA changed coaches. The talent level at qb behind Nate has been modest, so much so that they converted a linebacker and then a receiver to play the position when NS got hurt.

 

[mattndallas]

King had been offered, pulled after he flipped.

You point towards last year with Covington...so when the previous class closed...CKW should have forseen a Coffman transfer request, and then the June bailing of Tre....and had the ability to have some 4 star sign in 2014, despite the fact there were three experienced starters with 2+ years of eligibility left each?

C'mon.

 

[HermanB]

He's had that responsibility since he was named the coach. And the fact is none of the kids on IU's roster (or committed for next year) at that position were highly recruited, with only NS having a P5 offer other than IU (which was rescinded through no fault of his when UA changed coaches. The talent level at qb behind Nate has been modest, so much so that they converted a linebacker and then a receiver to play the position when NS got hurt.

You realize you could be wrong-right? You're so sure that these kids can't play just because of their offer lists. CKW knows QBs. I'll trust he's brought the right kids in. But stay negative-please! Danny C. played pretty good when given a chance, btw.

 

[Iudanapoint]

King had been offered, pulled after he flipped.

You point towards last year with Covington...so when the previous class closed...CKW should have forseen a Coffman transfer request, and then the June bailing of Tre....and had the ability to have some 4 star sign in 2014, despite the fact there were three experienced starters with 2+ years of eligibility left each?

C'mon.

So you believe King took an unofficial visit (for which he paid) so that he could tell them he wanted to look around, but that he was still committed? Kids say that on Twitter or usually on the phone, but don't make an in person visit to say they're wavering. Nonetheless (and even if you're right), he was lightly recruited, as were ZD and DC. Again, a linebacker and a receiver were converted due to the dearth in ability, not exactly a sign that the evaluations done were very well.

As for IU's roster, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that you're going to have trouble keeping three guys happy who have essentially shared the position. There had been transfer rumors around all three guys for several months. Do you really think KW and KJ were caught totally flat footed? And if they were, that isn't to their credit. TR's timing stunk, but KW wasn't willing to name a starter, and he wasn't going to during the season. Losing a player or two in that situation should be a surprise, and it wasn't to most people. Only the timing sucked, and it would have sucked had the decision come 4 or 5 months sooner.

 

[Iudanapoint]

You realize you could be wrong-right? You're so sure that these kids can't play just because of their offer lists. CKW knows QBs. I'll trust he's brought the right kids in. But stay negative-please! Danny C. played pretty good when given a chance, btw.

So why did he move two kids (a linebacker and a receiver) around the quarterbacks he recruited? You equate truth and reality to negativity, which I find strange.

 

[cidsports]

No. Had been suspended, re-instated last week during their bye week, then today suspended for the rest of the year. Not sure what the issue is...or if he's even done for good there.

But for us...with a good chunk of team back next year...but no heir apparent QB.....whi knows? I'd "rent-a-Mauk" for a year.

Suspended, and replaced I should have said, but the news on the street was he was replaced ...

 

[mattndallas]

As for IU's roster, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that you're going to have trouble keeping three guys happy who have essentially shared the position. There had been transfer rumors around all three guys for several months. Do you really think KW and KJ were caught totally flat footed? And if they were, that isn't to their credit. TR's timing stunk, but KW wasn't willing to name a starter, and he wasn't going to during the season. Losing a player or two in that situation should be a surprise, and it wasn't to most people. Only the timing sucked, and it would have sucked had the decision come 4 or 5 months sooner.

Wow.

OK, so you DO think that CKW should have had the ability, before the 2014 class closed, to realize that he was going to go from three viable, experienced starting QB's...each with two years left of eligibility...to none, within 5 games? And then, after foreseeing this, should have had the ability to recruit a highly-sought 3 or 4 star behind those three, just in case...and then had him ready to step in at Iowa and continue to roll flawlessly?

I mean, I guess Saban maybe would have had that Jedi-like ability...but how in the world do you expect CKW to recruit a 3 or 4 star, to INDIANA for god's sake, when there are three starters ahead of him...all with multiple years left? He should have been pitching "Listen kid...I know you have offers from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa....and we have three starting QB's in the stable...but I'm gonna run off a couple of them...and the other one is kinda fragile....so you'll be playing by next year!!!"

There's no way. There's no way we're going to get a competent QB who see's that at best, barring redshirts of the guy's in front of him...he was going to have to sit 2-3 years before even being considered. If any QB from the QB was gonna sign up for those odds...it was going to be at a Wisconsin...or a Michigan...or the like.

So that leaves us with last year. Sounds like we had a decent kid lined up...he bailed....and we picked up another 3-star with a BCS offer.

I guess if there's ANY blame, it would be CKW's inability to get a true freshman in the 2015 class that is better than Diamont at this point...but even that's a stretch.

 

[Iudanapoint]

Wow.

OK, so you DO think that CKW should have had the ability, before the 2014 class closed, to realize that he was going to go from three viable, experienced starting QB's...each with two years left of eligibility...to none, within 5 games? And then, after foreseeing this, should have had the ability to recruit a highly-sought 3 or 4 star behind those three, just in case...and then had him ready to step in at Iowa and continue to roll flawlessly?

I mean, I guess Saban maybe would have had that Jedi-like ability...but how in the world do you expect CKW to recruit a 3 or 4 star, to INDIANA for god's sake, when there are three starters ahead of him...all with multiple years left? He should have been pitching "Listen kid...I know you have offers from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa....and we have three starting QB's in the stable...but I'm gonna run off a couple of them...and the other one is kinda fragile....so you'll be playing by next year!!!"

There's no way. There's no way we're going to get a competent QB who see's that at best, barring redshirts of the guy's in front of him...he was going to have to sit 2-3 years before even being considered. If any QB from the QB was gonna sign up for those odds...it was going to be at a Wisconsin...or a Michigan...or the like.

So that leaves us with last year. Sounds like we had a decent kid lined up...he bailed....and we picked up another 3-star with a BCS offer.

I guess if there's ANY blame, it would be CKW's inability to get a true freshman in the 2015 class that is better than Diamont at this point...but even that's a stretch.

So you believe it's perfectly acceptable for KW to be so completely oblivious to the one position on the roster he mentors with great dedication, so much so that he is totally blindsided by something that had been rumored for months? And you believe that he should simply say (as you have) that IU will never be able to match wits with the big boys, so why even try?

If your attitude is indicative of Wilson's thinking, then he should be replaced immediately. As it is, you've offered tired excuses for losing, and nothing more. No wonder KW complains about the culture surrounding IU football.

 

[mattndallas]

So you believe it's perfectly acceptable for KW to be so completely oblivious to the one position on the roster he mentors with great dedication, so much so that he is totally blindsided by something that had been rumored for months? And you believe that he should simply say (as you have) that IU will never be able to match wits with the big boys, so why even try?

If your attitude is indicative of Wilson's thinking, then he should be replaced immediately. As it is, you've offered tired excuses for losing, and nothing more. No wonder KW complains about the culture surrounding IU football.

So...once again....what should/could he realistically done differently at signing date 2014? He's got three starters, with 2 years of eligibility each. Who, specifically, should he have signed given those circumstances that would have been interested in taking his 4-star talents to a school with a 3 deep QB competition?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Suspended for the rest of the season. Not sure what the reason.

Given our QB situation....any chance he looks elsewhere for Sr season? Someplace closer to home? I dunno.

Also of note....for some reason, Mizzou (like us) loses games without its starting QB. I thought championship caliber teams like Mizzou could just plug and play, and win...without their star QB?

He redshirted in 2012, played 2013, 2014 and 2015.

He can go pro or go I-AA/II/III/NAIA or quit or stay at Mizzou.

He prolly stay at Mizzou - if they let him.

 

[Kelper]

He redshirted in 2012, played 2013, 2014 and 2015.

He can go pro or go I-AA/II/III/NAIA or quit or stay at Mizzou.

He prolly stay at Mizzou - if they let him.

If he got himself suspended for the season at an SEC school, I don't know why we'd want to be kicking those tires. We need to keep the bad eggs at an absolute minimum.

 

[Army88]

He redshirted in 2012, played 2013, 2014 and 2015.

He can go pro or go I-AA/II/III/NAIA or quit or stay at Mizzou.

He prolly stay at Mizzou - if they let him.

What if he graduates?

 

[Optimist13]

How does any player, especially an experienced QB,
eff up and get suspended for the remainder of the
season at an SEC school, unless there are serious
substance abuse, academic, disciplinary and/or
criminal issues lurking in his background?

Please, no Father Flanagan social worker excuses.

 

[Iudanapoint]

So...once again....what should/could he realistically done differently at signing date 2014? He's got three starters, with 2 years of eligibility each. Who, specifically, should he have signed given those circumstances that would have been interested in taking his 4-star talents to a school with a 3 deep QB competition?

He didn't have all three of those kids on signing day. Coffman was already gone. And there had been rumors for months about the other guys leaving, too. He was caught flat footed, even though he shouldn't have been. Combine that with poor evaluations and you have a problem.

 

[IUHarselCo]

So why did he move two kids (a linebacker and a receiver) around the quarterbacks he recruited? You equate truth and reality to negativity, which I find strange.

Truth and reality are in very short supply with you. You twist and pervert everything to your point of view. Very boring...

 

[Iudanapoint]

Truth and reality are in very short supply with you. You twist and pervert everything to your point of view. Very boring...

Relax. I've stated nothing but truths, unlike you. Still waiting on you to provide those other candidates you claimed were offered before Wilson. That, like most everything you post, was made up.

 

[oldcougar77]

He didn't have all three of those kids on signing day. Coffman was already gone. And there had been rumors for months about the other guys leaving, too. He was caught flat footed, even though he shouldn't have been. Combine that with poor evaluations and you have a problem.

Signing day is in Feb. Both Sudfeld and Roberson participated the entire spring practice and played in the spring game in April. That doesn't suggest that either had given the coaches any indication they were considering a transfer. Rumors are just that. I can't see any coaching staff in the country making a mad scramble to find an additional scholarship to bring in a starting-caliber QB with two healthy starters already on the roster. Neither Wilson nor anyone else on the staff had any idea Roberson was going to leave until the end of school in May. If someone told you otherwise, they were lying to you.

 

[Iudanapoint]

Signing day is in Feb. Both Sudfeld and Roberson participated the entire spring practice and played in the spring game in April. That doesn't suggest that either had given the coaches any indication they were considering a transfer. Rumors are just that. I can't see any coaching staff in the country making a mad scramble to find an additional scholarship to bring in a starting-caliber QB with two healthy starters already on the roster. Neither Wilson nor anyone else on the staff had any idea Roberson was going to leave until the end of school in May. If someone told you otherwise, they were lying to you.

So, the information stating that Coffmann was on the roster was wrong, as I stated. And you have no idea what the staff knew. I merely stated that there had been rumors for months that either player might leave the program. It was hardly a secret among people who follow IU football. To get caught flat footed means KW either wasn't paying attention or didn't believe what was out there, but that doesn't change the fact that it was floating around the program.

 

[oldcougar77]

So, the information stating that Coffmann was on the roster was wrong, as I stated. And you have no idea what the staff knew. I merely stated that there had been rumors for months that either player might leave the program. It was hardly a secret among people who follow IU football. To get caught flat footed means KW either wasn't paying attention or didn't believe what was out there, but that doesn't change the fact that it was floating around the program.

No, it wasn't known to anyone within the program that it was going to happen. And you have no idea what the staff knew.

You are a fraud. You have no information or access inside the athletic department that any other poster here does not have access to. That's why you deflect when you are called out, demand sources from others that you steadfastly refuse to provide for your own proclamations, and launch personal attacks when you are questioned. You are a constant lurker here looking to start arguments with anybody for any reason in a desperate lie to try to convince others that you have inside information.

 

[ezluke]

No, it wasn't known to anyone within the program that it was going to happen. And you have no idea what the staff knew.

You are a fraud. You have no information or access inside the athletic department that any other poster here does not have access to. That's why you deflect when you are called out, demand sources from others that you steadfastly refuse to provide for your own proclamations, and launch personal attacks when you are questioned. You are a constant lurker here looking to start arguments with anybody for any reason in a desperate lie to try to convince others that you have inside information.

TheSpa had a name change

 

[oldcougar77]

TheSpa had a name change

yep. Ordfan = TheSpa = IUdanapoint. When one disappeared, the other magically appeared and all three have exactly the same arrogant, belligerent, patronizing MO. None of the three ever offered a shred of evidence to support all the things he claimed to know.

 

[Iudanapoint]

No, it wasn't known to anyone within the program that it was going to happen. And you have no idea what the staff knew.

You are a fraud. You have no information or access inside the athletic department that any other poster here does not have access to. That's why you deflect when you are called out, demand sources from others that you steadfastly refuse to provide for your own proclamations, and launch personal attacks when you are questioned. You are a constant lurker here looking to start arguments with anybody for any reason in a desperate lie to try to convince others that you have inside information.

You made something up and now you're retreating from it. Talk about a complete fraud. You have no way of knowing what the coaches did or didn't know, and I never once made a comment that even attempted to be that definitive. And the only time I've ever made a claim about any inside knowledge at IU was in relation to the costs of the athletic facilities expansion, something your alter ego Luke later verified. I've made no other claims, but you're welcome to try and prove otherwise. Of course, I'm sure you'll admit you lied about that when you can't back up what you've said or, more likely, you'll just avoid it altogether. Perhaps some basic reading comprehension is in order for you, though one would expect a teacher to have a better grasp of that skill.

 

[Iudanapoint]

yep. Ordfan = TheSpa = IUdanapoint. When one disappeared, the other magically appeared and all three have exactly the same arrogant, belligerent, patronizing MO. None of the three ever offered a shred of evidence to support all the things he claimed to know.

Sorry, but you made something up and I'm calling you on it. As for your typically weak deflection anytime you can't respond, some very basic research would prove you're wrong. This stuff just makes you look petty and dumb.

 

[Iudanapoint]

TheSpa had a name change

Nope, but I'm not surprised you're jumping in. Maybe you can add more gems like your OSU band ethics insight, which I'm sure you'll backpedal on if called out.. And weren't you going to ignore me? Why can't you do what you say?

 

[Kelper]

So, the information stating that Coffmann was on the roster was wrong, as I stated. And you have no idea what the staff knew. I merely stated that there had been rumors for months that either player might leave the program. It was hardly a secret among people who follow IU football. To get caught flat footed means KW either wasn't paying attention or didn't believe what was out there, but that doesn't change the fact that it was floating around the program.

So you expect any IU coach to be able to scramble in January and gain enough traction to get a worthy QB to flip and/or commit for signing day in February? What fantasy world are you living in son? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

 

[oldcougar77]

Sorry, but you made something up and I'm calling you on it. As for your typically weak deflection anytime you can't respond, some very basic research would prove you're wrong. This stuff just makes you look petty and dumb.

The raging insecurity and the total inability to let anything go without getting in the last insult are further evidence that you are a fraud.

 

[ezluke]

So you expect any IU coach to be able to scramble in January and gain enough traction to get a worthy QB to flip and/or commit for signing day in February? What fantasy world are you living in son? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

An established coach will already have relationships with recruits. We hired Littrell and his previous relationship with Nate brought him here. It's not guaranteed but it's not as hopeless as you make it seem

 

[Iudanapoint]

So you expect any IU coach to be able to scramble in January and gain enough traction to get a worthy QB to flip and/or commit for signing day in February? What fantasy world are you living in son? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

No, I expected them to be actively recruiting a suitable incoming quarterback regardless of whether anyone left or not. And I certainly expected them to at least consider the possibility that three guys going for one spot might result in one or two of them deciding to go elsewhere. Is that unreasonable?

 

[Iudanapoint]

The raging insecurity and the total inability to let anything go without getting in the last insult are further evidence that you are a fraud.

You came at me with a bunch of stuff that was made up, then tried to rip me with stuff that had nothing to do with it, rather than admit you were being "speculative" in just about everything you were saying. Hen you insulted me multiple times while telling how insulting I was to you. How would you respond?

 

[mattndallas]

yep. Ordfan = TheSpa = IUdanapoint. When one disappeared, the other magically appeared and all three have exactly the same arrogant, belligerent, patronizing MO. None of the three ever offered a shred of evidence to support all the things he claimed to know.

Again? Really?

I don't monitor this stuff as closely, but remember The Spa getting accused of being Ord. Did he run off since then...or get punted? What happened?

I recall Ord as being fairly pro-Lynch at the time of the firing....or during the time of "new coach speculation". Did he just morph into an anti-IU guy at that point?

I recall Danapoint showing up a couple weeks ago with "long time IU fan here" proclamations....so the theory is he's the latest incarnation of Ord/Spa? This stuff cracks me up.

Did Spa get punted...officially or something?

Now that I look at it...danapoint does kinda have that Spa-like cadence.

Whatever.

 

[Iudanapoint]

Again? Really?

I don't monitor this stuff as closely, but remember The Spa getting accused of being Ord. Did he run off since then...or get punted? What happened?

I recall Ord as being fairly pro-Lynch at the time of the firing....or during the time of "new coach speculation". Did he just morph into an anti-IU guy at that point?

I recall Danapoint showing up a couple weeks ago with "long time IU fan here" proclamations....so the theory is he's the latest incarnation of Ord/Spa? This stuff cracks me up.

Did Spa get punted...officially or something?

Now that I look at it...danapoint does kinda have that Spa-like cadence.

Whatever.

I don't even know who this is or what the point is there making. It was strange that they raised it when they ran out of arguments, but that's when straw men always appear. Lots of defenders of everything KW does, you would think he's 30-6 instead of 6-30. Maybe fans have gotten used to losing.

 

[ezluke]

Again? Really?

I don't monitor this stuff as closely, but remember The Spa getting accused of being Ord. Did he run off since then...or get punted? What happened?

I recall Ord as being fairly pro-Lynch at the time of the firing....or during the time of "new coach speculation". Did he just morph into an anti-IU guy at that point?

I recall Danapoint showing up a couple weeks ago with "long time IU fan here" proclamations....so the theory is he's the latest incarnation of Ord/Spa? This stuff cracks me up.

Did Spa get punted...officially or something?

Now that I look at it...danapoint does kinda have that Spa-like cadence.

Whatever.

Thespa's last post was on 10/17, iudanapoint's first post was on 10/18. (Even though he joined in June)

 

[mattndallas]

I don't even know who this is or what the point is there making. It was strange that they raised it when they ran out of arguments, but that's when straw men always appear. Lots of defenders of everything KW does, you would think he's 30-6 instead of 6-30. Maybe fans have gotten used to losing.

I guess.

I'm not cool with 6-30, but I do like the fact that when at 100%...we don't get our doors blown off anymore. We're close.

Wilson has been a gambler on the play-calling...but I'm cool with that...he's searching for that breakthrough, and understands that at IU you're not going to do that playing close to the vest.

But the QB quandary we were left in last year....I'm just not sure how he could have forseen, or mitigated that in February. Even when Cam announced in mid-Jan...that leaves you what....2-3 weeks to find the guy that will end up being your starter by Game 6, while you still have 1a and 1b getting prepped for Spring ball? Absolutely no way to predict that.

If anything, his biggest failure in "recruiting" was not selling Tre on staying....but at that point...why bother?

I'm of the consensus that our margin for error/injury is very small....we're Indiana. Last year's QB clustereff was random bad luck at it's finest...and it killed us.

But when healthy, I like our chances with Wilson's teams more than any since Mallory. When 100%....I'm not chalking up @OSU and @MSU as 40 point blowouts. We still do "Indiana" stuff to lose close games at the end....but we're doing that against solid teams. One of these days we're going to follow up a Mizzou with an OSU upset...and I believe when that happens...we turn a corner mentally. Hell, it may happen these next two weeks.

This year sets up perfect for Wilson to prove himself. He should have a 100% healthy squad setup for these final 4 games. Winning two should be expected. If he can't get us bowling with a healthy Sud and Howard....or we drop one of the remaining winnable games in a Minnesota or Rutgers like collapse, to finish 5-7....if open to taking a look around for what's out there.