Luke Murray thoughts

[IUNorth]

If IU strikes out on a decent number of head coaches...what does everyone think of considering an assistant coach like Luke Murray?

Read up on his resume...it seems like he's a guy that's often instrumental in helping turn programs around...and has been hugely influential in Hurley's successes, including his turnaround and dominance at UConn.

Some notes:

-Hurley was struggling at Rhode Island the first couple years. Murray joined him in 2013. In their 2nd year together, they won 23 games and nearly won their conference.

-He was at Xavier after that, and their team had 3 of the best years in their schools history, getting a 1 seed in 2018.

-He was at Louisville, and they had 3 good years while he was there, before the awful Kenny Payne years.

-Hurley, again, was struggling his first 3 years at UConn...Murray's first year with Hurley at UConn, Hurley had his first 20 win season at UConn, the next two after that, they dominated everyone and won the Natty.

He's never proven it as a head coach...so I'd say there are probably a decent amount of "better" candidates because they have head coaching experience. But he's another guy I have my eye on as someone that will end up being a force as a major college coach some day.

 

[ams66]

I think someone who has never been a head coach would be too big a leap, unless maybe it was a case of an established assistant stepping up as a successor to a retiring coach at the same school (no I'm not suggesting we promote any of our current assistants!).

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

if the best we can do is pull away an assistant coach, then damn.....just, damn.

Everyone take a deep breath . We'll be whale watching in a few weeks

 

[IUNorth]

I think someone who has never been a head coach would be too big a leap, unless maybe it was a case of an established assistant stepping up as a successor to a retiring coach at the same school (no I'm not suggesting we promote any of our current assistants!).

Tommy Lloyd is doing pretty well at Arizona? I'm just floating this one in case we do get down to considering people like Turgeon. I'd MUCH rather take a risk on someone like Murray, at that point, than feel safe and comfortable because someone has been an average head coach before.

 

[IUNorth]

if the best we can do is pull away an assistant coach, then damn.....just, damn.

Everyone take a deep breath . We'll be whale watching in a few weeks

Not all assistant coaches are created equally...Tommy Lloyd is doing pretty well at Arizona, as an example. Murray's resume, and the credit he gets for the UConn dominance, is intriguing. Not intriguing enough to hire him over many of the names that have been argued about here...but if we whiff on a bunch of them, I'd rather get an exciting young, dynamic recruiting, guy like Murray, than a retread P4 coach that's really never won anything big.

 

[ams66]

Not all assistant coaches are created equally...Tommy Lloyd is doing pretty well at Arizona, as an example. Murray's resume, and the credit he gets for the UConn dominance, is intriguing. Not intriguing enough to hire him over many of the names that have been argued about here...but if we whiff on a bunch of them, I'd rather get an exciting young, dynamic recruiting, guy like Murray, than a retread P4 coach that's really never won anything big.

I agree that a P4 coach who has a long record of "good but not great" is not going to suddenly get great at IU. Hire a proven guy, or take a chance on a young guy who has been great at a lower level.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Not all assistant coaches are created equally...Tommy Lloyd is doing pretty well at Arizona, as an example. Murray's resume, and the credit he gets for the UConn dominance, is intriguing. Not intriguing enough to hire him over many of the names that have been argued about here...but if we whiff on a bunch of them, I'd rather get an exciting young, dynamic recruiting, guy like Murray, than a retread P4 coach that's really never won anything big.

I will agree on the retreads...on the other site they keep bouncing names around, a couple guys are stuck on Turgeon, and today someone floated Groce's name. Good lord, maybe we can lure Bruce Webber away from the B1G channel. And then there is a decent size group who still believes the whale's contract is in the vault awaiting season's end.

 

[IUNorth]

I agree that a P4 coach who has a long record of "good but not great" is not going to suddenly get great at IU. Hire a proven guy, or take a chance on a young guy who has been great at a lower level.

What if scenario...

Beard isn't greenlighted
May stays at Michigan
McCasland gets the UT job
McCollum gets the Iowa job
Otz stays at ISU
A guy like Brownell turns us down, or isn't contacted
None of the guys that aren't coaching consider getting back in to coaching

That leaves guys like Byington, Schertz, Matta maybe...

At that point...if I'm Dolson, I take a very serious look at Murray.

LLoyd has been successful, Scheyer is doing great... you don't have to take over for your boss to be a good first time head coach.

 

[IUNorth]

I will agree on the retreads...on the other site they keep bouncing names around, a couple guys are stuck on Turgeon, and today someone floated Groce's name. Good lord, maybe we can lure Bruce Webber away from the B1G channel. And then there is a decent size group who still believes the whale's contract is in the vault awaiting season's end.

If we hire either Turgeon or Groce, or anyone like them, and not someone like McCollum or Murray... well I'll be very vocally venting about it regularly on here.

 

[Warison]

My high school coach from the early 90’s was pretty good. He lost to Bailey’s BNL team in the final four. Not sure if he’s still alive but he’s someone we could look at.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

If we hire either Turgeon or Groce, or anyone like them, and not someone like McCollum or Murray... well I'll be very vocally venting about it regularly on here.

it's a weird moment in time right now....without any real, credible news, people go on the sites and just make up whatever. Claim to have a 'source'. And always seems to turn out bogus. I'm just hoping SD has this already taken care of, and it's under lock and key until the season is over. We'll know in a few weeks.

 

[Warison]

it's a weird moment in time right now....without any real, credible news, people go on the sites and just make up whatever. Claim to have a 'source'. And always seems to turn out bogus. I'm just hoping SD has this already taken care of, and it's under lock and key until the season is over. We'll know in a few weeks.

My thoughts are, you don’t force out a coach mid season without another coach on lockdown.

 

[Willray]

My thoughts are, you don’t force out a coach mid season without another coach on lockdown.

In IU's case this year, you get him out at the earliest time possible. That way he can't go on a mini win streak and keep his job.

 

[IUNorth]

My thoughts are, you don’t force out a coach mid season without another coach on lockdown.

You do when its Woodson. Your high school coach jab might not actually be a jab. If he's an actual good basketball coach, that would have the energy and desire to put in to the program what the program deserves, and what he'd owe it with a multiple 7 figure salary...then what's his name? Or are you just full of shit?

Luke Murray is the lead recruiter, and "offensive coordinator" at the most successful college program the last 3 years. And they haven't dominated, and won 2 natty's with a ton of obvious burger boys. He, and Hurley, obviously have a keen eye for talent, and the types of kids it takes to win in their program. And then how to use those guys properly when they arrive on campus.

I suspect he'd assemble as good, or better talent at IU than Woodson has...and even if only a little bit of Chris Mack and Dan Hurley's head coaching chops would wear off on him...he'd probably have good success with it at IU...better than Woodson, almost assuredly.

 

[bdhman]

100% no to hiring someone with no division 1 head coaching experience. IU is not an entry level head coaching job; if it is we are in worse shape than any of us think.

 

[IUNorth]

100% no to hiring someone with no division 1 head coaching experience. IU is not an entry level head coaching job; if it is we are in worse shape than any of us think.

Arizona and Duke lesser jobs than IU? Both those fellas are doing just fine...no matter how they came to be the coaches at those schools.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Arizona and Duke lesser jobs than IU? Both those fellas are doing just fine...no matter how they came to be the coaches at those schools.

but in Scheyer's case he had been on the Duke bench for more than a decade. K had all his past players there, grooming them for head coach jobs. When Wojo, Collins, Capel all took off for HC jobs, Scheyer became the next man up. Then K retires. Good timing on his part. He's been a Dukie forever, and knew what he was getting into. He wanted it for a long time.

to bring someone from the outside, who has never been a HC....and plant them into RMK's old office on day 1, I fear a failure worse than CAM's. The program is at a point where we don't have time to mess with on-the-job training for some green newbie. Not in the age of NIL and free agent portal.

Have faith brother.....We have bigger fish to fry. Or....perhaps, just perhaps, not a fish, but a mammal..

 

[IUNorth]

but in Scheyer's case he had been on the Duke bench for more than a decade. K has all his past players there, grooming them for head coach jobs. When Wojo, Collins, Capel all took off for HC jobs, Scheyer became the next man up. Then K retires. Good timing on his part. He's been a Dukie forever, and new what he was getting into. He wanted it for a long time.

to bring someon from the outside, who has never been a HC....and plant them into RMK's old office on day 1, I fear a failure worse than CAM's. The program is at a point where we don't have time to mess with on-the-job training for some green newbie. Not in the age of NIL and free agent portal.

Have faith brother.....We have bigger fish to fry. Or....perhaps, just perhaps, not a fish, but a mammal..

I just think that's unfounded fear. Serious doubts Luke Murray would think he's sitting in Knights office for one...Practically, Cook Hall didn't even exist in Knight's day. I find it more likely than not that RMK has never stepped foot on Cook Hall?...

Actually, I would guess Murray would be so eager to prove his worth, that he'd spend hardly any time in his office, and more time in the film room, on the recruiting trail, out in the gym and weight room area of Cook Hall.

And Scheyer still had to take over a major head coaching job, without any head coaching experience, after coaching under him for a few years. Same think Murray will end up doing when he gets a head coaching job. And its the same thing Tommy Lloyd had to do. In some ways, it might have been MORE difficult for Scheyer. I'm sure he felt immense pressure to try to continue to run things how Coach K did. Murray would have full autonomy to coach however he wanted to. If he wanted to emulate Mack and Hurley, great. But maybe he has his own ideas that neither of those guys adopted?

Its a VERY unlikely hire. I get it. And to repeat, I'm only putting Murray's name out that as a guy I'd love for Dolson to consider, so if he does whiff on a handful of the current head coaches that might be candidates...then he'd have someone like Murray to more heavily consider, instead of retreads.

Here's a list of guys I'd rather have than Murray...in no particular order... Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Pearl, Oats, Beard, May, McCollum, Golden, Drew, McCasland, McDermott, Cronin, Otz...I'm sure there are others. Some, many of those guys probably aren't real candidates for whatever reason, so because of that, and maybe just missing on the few that are more viable...if we were looking at guys like Brownell, Matta, Turgeon, Groce, Lavin...and while I don't think that's likely, its certainly possible...THEN, I think looking at Murray would be the better route.

 

[Warison]

You do when its Woodson. Your high school coach jab might not actually be a jab. If he's an actual good basketball coach, that would have the energy and desire to put in to the program what the program deserves, and what he'd owe it with a multiple 7 figure salary...then what's his name? Or are you just full of shit?

Luke Murray is the lead recruiter, and "offensive coordinator" at the most successful college program the last 3 years. And they haven't dominated, and won 2 natty's with a ton of obvious burger boys. He, and Hurley, obviously have a keen eye for talent, and the types of kids it takes to win in their program. And then how to use those guys properly when they arrive on campus.

I suspect he'd assemble as good, or better talent at IU than Woodson has...and even if only a little bit of Chris Mack and Dan Hurley's head coaching chops would wear off on him...he'd probably have good success with it at IU...better than Woodson, almost assuredly.

Bill Springer. Southport high school.

 

[IUNorth]

Bill Springer. Southport high school.

How old is he? What's his record been at Southport? Has he recruited at a high level? Has he been on numerous top 10 college coaching staffs? Has he learned under really good high major college coaches?

Trying to establish if was an applicable comparison or not.

Bucky McMillan, the head coach at Samford, went directly from high school to Samford, and has been successful. Its not common, but I'm of a mind if you're a smart basketball mind, and have the energy and ability to put the work in on the recruiting trail, and in Cook Hall, you can be successful at IU.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

I just think that's unfounded fear. Serious doubts Luke Murray would think he's sitting in Knights office for one...Practically, Cook Hall didn't even exist in Knight's day. I find it more likely than not that RMK has never stepped foot on Cook Hall?...

Actually, I would guess Murray would be so eager to prove his worth, that he'd spend hardly any time in his office, and more time in the film room, on the recruiting trail, out in the gym and weight room area of Cook Hall.

And Scheyer still had to take over a major head coaching job, without any head coaching experience, after coaching under him for a few years. Same think Murray will end up doing when he gets a head coaching job. And its the same thing Tommy Lloyd had to do. In some ways, it might have been MORE difficult for Scheyer. I'm sure he felt immense pressure to try to continue to run things how Coach K did. Murray would have full autonomy to coach however he wanted to. If he wanted to emulate Mack and Hurley, great. But maybe he has his own ideas that neither of those guys adopted?

Its a VERY unlikely hire. I get it. And to repeat, I'm only putting Murray's name out that as a guy I'd love for Dolson to consider, so if he does whiff on a handful of the current head coaches that might be candidates...then he'd have someone like Murray to more heavily consider, instead of retreads.

Here's a list of guys I'd rather have than Murray...in no particular order... Stevens, Donovan, Wright, Pearl, Oats, Beard, May, McCollum, Golden, Drew, McCasland, McDermott, Cronin, Otz...I'm sure there are others. Some, many of those guys probably aren't real candidates for whatever reason, so because of that, and maybe just missing on the few that are more viable...if we were looking at guys like Brownell, Matta, Turgeon, Groce, Lavin...and while I don't think that's likely, its certainly possible...THEN, I think looking at Murray would be the better route.

that list at the end....all hard pass IMO. Lavin? He took 8 yrs off and now coaches a 4-25 team no one has heard of... Matta, word is he's winding down, doesn't have the energy anymore. Turg-no thanks. Groce was a spaz and failure in Champaign, I don't want their leftovers.

I haven't heard Donavan's name mentioned other than by posters who still remember 2017. Same with Oats (2021)

Ok, I will mention someone's name once....ONCE, and then be done. I wish Mr Stevens would just make it absolutely clear that he is staying in Boston through this franchise purchase that is ongoing. Just put everyone on all these boards out of our misery, once and for all Brad. The release from Goodman a few weeks ago just had a bit too much vagueness in it. His contract with the Celts is up in a couple months..there's been no extension. Many speculate it's just part of this purchase drama and will eventually work out. Others (the ones who still hold out hope) view it as a 'sign'. Kill the patient, once and for all, Brad. It's the least you can do for us.

 

[Warison]

How old is he? What's his record been at Southport? Has he recruited at a high level? Has he been on numerous top 10 college coaching staffs? Has he learned under really good high major college coaches?

Trying to establish if was an applicable comparison or not.

Bucky McMillan, the head coach at Samford, went directly from high school to Samford, and has been successful. Its not common, but I'm of a mind if you're a smart basketball mind, and have the energy and ability to put the work in on the recruiting trail, and in Cook Hall, you can be successful at IU.

Well he had to be in his mid 50’s in the early 90’s. So it don’t look good.

But he did give BNL all they wanted in the final four of Bailey’s senior year. Had the lead at half.

 

[ams66]

How old is he? What's his record been at Southport? Has he recruited at a high level? Has he been on numerous top 10 college coaching staffs? Has he learned under really good high major college coaches?

Trying to establish if was an applicable comparison or not.

Bucky McMillan, the head coach at Samford, went directly from high school to Samford, and has been successful. Its not common, but I'm of a mind if you're a smart basketball mind, and have the energy and ability to put the work in on the recruiting trail, and in Cook Hall, you can be successful at IU.

Now we're down to high school coaches? I knew the program had lost some self-respect but didn't think it had fallen that far.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Murray will get a p5 gig soon. I think I saw he has a pretty large contract. He is the genius behind that offense. Hurley imho will struggle without him.

 

[76-1]

If IU strikes out on a decent number of head coaches...what does everyone think of considering an assistant coach like Luke Murray?

Read up on his resume...it seems like he's a guy that's often instrumental in helping turn programs around...and has been hugely influential in Hurley's successes, including his turnaround and dominance at UConn.

Some notes:

-Hurley was struggling at Rhode Island the first couple years. Murray joined him in 2013. In their 2nd year together, they won 23 games and nearly won their conference.

-He was at Xavier after that, and their team had 3 of the best years in their schools history, getting a 1 seed in 2018.

-He was at Louisville, and they had 3 good years while he was there, before the awful Kenny Payne years.

-Hurley, again, was struggling his first 3 years at UConn...Murray's first year with Hurley at UConn, Hurley had his first 20 win season at UConn, the next two after that, they dominated everyone and won the Natty.

He's never proven it as a head coach...so I'd say there are probably a decent amount of "better" candidates because they have head coaching experience. But he's another guy I have my eye on as someone that will end up being a force as a major college coach some day.

I'm convinced...: on bringing him in as "the Offensive Asst." with the next Staff...

Here's another version of a previously mentioned idea:

McCollum as HC

Luke Murray as Asst. HC (offensive coordinator)

with these other two Assistants :

Xavier Kurth - Assistant Coach - Director of Player Development - Men's Basketball Coaches - Drake University Athletics

Kurth follows Coach McCollum from Northwest Missouri State where he also served as an assistant. Kurth competed for the Bearcat men's basketball team from the

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Jaran Richman - Assistant to the Head Coach - Men's Basketball Coaches - Drake University Athletics

Jaran Richman is in his first season as Assistant to the Head Coach at Drake. Richman comes to Drake from Northwest Missouri State where he spent two years as

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//Move Yasir Rosemond to Recruiting Coordinator//

Bring whoever else McCollum wants in the other slots...


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