We'll just going to disagree on #3. He was well aware what was to happen. Deal was done by Bessent a week or so earlier. Z demanded it be done with the President. We complied. He came with pics in hand, so he had a plan to negotiate in front of the press. Insulting, IMHO.
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We'll just going to disagree on #3. He was well aware what was to happen. Deal was done by Bessent a week or so earlier. Z demanded it be done with the President. We complied. He came with pics in hand, so he had a plan to negotiate in front of the press. Insulting, IMHO.
Even if you're right - and you're not, but even if you are - it's still a fact that Trump cancelled the signing and kicked Z out of the WH. That's not how a leader who "wants peace" behaves.
Well I am right, as I usually am. And I do wish Trump had handled it differently. But he's not going to let anyone punk him in his Oval Office. It's Trump.
Deal is never done until it’s signed and the check is in the bank
Yep. But they need us more than we need them. We still got Greenland in the pipeline for minerals.
religious persecution? Please, tell us about that.
It’s sad that Russian invaded Ukraine and Hamas attacked Israel but it’s helping us learn a lot about our new populist foreign policy. 🤮
Ukraine: New Law Raises Religious Freedom Concerns
Ukraine’s new law banning religious organizations with ties to the Russian Orthodox Church is overly broad and could have far-reaching consequences for Ukrainians’ right to religious freedom.
UKRAINE: Law banning Ukrainian Orthodox Church about to enter force
Law No. 3894-IX banning the Russian Orthodox Church – Moscow Patriarchate (ROC) and Ukrainian religious organisations affiliated with the ROC comes into force on 23 September. Its main target is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC). While addressing real security concerns over the ROC's...
www.forum18.org
UN concerned by Ukraine’s ban on Russia-linked Church
GENEVA — The UN Human Rights Office on Tuesday said it was studying Kyiv's ban on the Russian-linked Ukrainian Orthodox Church, saying it raised serious concerns regarding the freedom of religion.Ukraine's parliament voted last month to ban the church, a move Kyiv says strengthens its...
Ukraine: New Law Raises Religious Freedom Concerns
Ukraine’s new law banning religious organizations with ties to the Russian Orthodox Church is overly broad and could have far-reaching consequences for Ukrainians’ right to religious freedom.www.hrw.org
UKRAINE: Law banning Ukrainian Orthodox Church about to enter force
Law No. 3894-IX banning the Russian Orthodox Church – Moscow Patriarchate (ROC) and Ukrainian religious organisations affiliated with the ROC comes into force on 23 September. Its main target is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC). While addressing real security concerns over the ROC's...
UN concerned by Ukraine’s ban on Russia-linked Church
GENEVA — The UN Human Rights Office on Tuesday said it was studying Kyiv's ban on the Russian-linked Ukrainian Orthodox Church, saying it raised serious concerns regarding the freedom of religion.Ukraine's parliament voted last month to ban the church, a move Kyiv says strengthens its...jordantimes.com
Ya, it’s weird that an invaded country would want to block influence from the invading country. Or maybe we think the Russian Orthodox Church acts independently? (It doesn’t)
Maybe Ukrainians didn’t want Russian Orthodox clergy performing funeral rites for their 12,000 dead countrymen? (They didn’t; the move was overwhelming supported by Ukrainians)
The US isn’t even at war with China and still banned TikTok (kinda).
Can’t lose to the “wrong” team. You guys are wrong on virtually every topic. And you aren’t close.
Guess the US should have passed a law blocking Islam after 911.
The forum18 article is a great read. I doubt you will. I linked Human Rights Watch and the UN as well, but it sounds like you don't care.
Not if it would offend Putin. Trump just wants a deal. Any deal. No matter how bad. He thinks it will get him the Nobel.
Telling Ukraine to give up sections of their country to Russia would be similar to someone telling us to give up Hawaii after Pearl Harbor.
Biggest difference being we didn't require as much assistance. But you're as likely to convince Ukraine of giving up part of their country as you would have been able to convince Americans that Hawaii was expendable for peace.
Biggest difference being we didn't require as much assistance. But you're as likely to convince Ukraine of giving up part of their country as you would have been able to convince Americans that Hawaii was expendable for peace.
If those Muslim clerics were answering to terrorists, yes. If they were advising Americans to join our enemies, yes.
I read the articles and many more before. War is a messy.
Funny we ignore human rights orgs and the UN re: Gaza, and rightfully so, but we’re all ears when they sound the alarm on Ukraine while it’s in the middle of an existential war against an empire we’ve been countering for 3 generations. An empire that rolled over Georgia in 2008 and has since annexed parts of Ukraine and tried to flatten Ukraine proper. Now we sound the alarms?
Populism just makes for shitty foreign policy.
I don't know of it's populism or not. But whatever it is hasn't been tried since the wall fell, even if before then.
I just don't believe Z is some hero that needs to be put on a pedestal like many do. Putin is a war criminal for sure and I wish there was an effective way to stop him. But it seems like being just ignoring Russia and name calling isn't getting it done. You stated as much with their past actions.
So to me, it seems like Dems and old neo con Pubs want to just keep the status quo: fund the war, let the killing continue, hate Russia. Trump, an ass and narssacist, for whatever his reasons, seems to want to end the war. I'm for that.
And everyone who is anti-Trump just have to believe that he will give everything to Putin because it's been RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA for years. Well, I like to wait for the details and see what Putin gets in the deal before I judge. I'm kinda silly like that.
