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Keir Starmer: "We need to reduce immigration - significantly."

I fully believe this too.

Trump is Trump but I don't think they are 100% wrong on wanting to crack down on immigration in general.
Correct. Giving $1000 to crack whores to pop out some more babes will help our population and give us some more effective workers
 
I don't disagree there.

I think targeted immigration like with the Rohingya in smaller doses is what I would prefer.

He is consistent though. He does what he feels is beneficial to him. If he said, "Hey, sucks for the Afrikaners but we really don't have room now. The Netherlands should pick them up," his base would be against them coming here. He had the world's most prominent white South African in his ear for months and who gave support in the form of a huge bull horn on one of the world's most trafficked social media sites and hundreds of millions of dollars. That guy assuredly let him know about the terrible plight of the Afrikaners and he is now getting his back scratched in repayment.

Trump is completely transactional. If he had a Haitian sliding him a $400M new AF1 and asking to open the doors to Haitian immigrants, we would see him and his supporters spouting the virtue of those hardworking people attempting to escape a bad situation. The Rohingya need to crowd fund some campaign donations to get back on the approved list (TIC).

Craze, you write "Trump is completely transactional".

I've been struggling with defining transactional as it relates to Trump.

Would rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies fit Trump's style of being transactional?

His compulsive urge to punish those who have crossed swords with him is a big turn off for me.
 
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It’s all political games and bullshit. Trump doesn’t believe in anything really. Except for what benefits him personally.

Does all of this Afrikaner shit move the needle on immigration? No but shit like the below does. What about the Rohingya. A group labeled by the USA in 2022 (ooooo but Biden so it must be woke) as under threat of genocide in their home country. And we’re considering ending those aid programs (and while I don’t have time to confirm I’d assume their refugee status at some point - we were taking 800 a year), we’re looking to bring in some white folks? Ok. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ROHINGYA?

do both. Be consistent. That Trump feels this must be done to curry favor with his base is gross.

Why is Afrikaner spelled with a k?
 
Craze, you write "Trump is completely transactional".

I've been struggling with defining transactional as it relates to Trump.

Would rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies fit Trump's style of being transactional?

His compulsive urge to punish those who have crossed swords with him is a big turn off for me.
To me, the bolded part is yes. I think he does have some underlying beliefs that tend to flavor what he likes to do, but I think he is swayed in one direction or another based on his perception of what is in it for him or the, I don't know, "loyalty" of the people or person wanting to push him in one direction or another.
 
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Craze, you write "Trump is completely transactional".

I've been struggling with defining transactional as it relates to Trump.

Would rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies fit Trump's style of being transactional?

His compulsive urge to punish those who have crossed swords with him is a big turn off for me.

That’s precisely what I meant by that.

Politics has always been transactional to some degree. Horse trading, tit for tat, compromise often being less about meeting in the middle and more about both sides getting something distinct that they want.

But I think Donald Trump takes that to a whole new level. And not in a healthy way. You’re either with him (for which he demands fealty) or you’re against him (where he’ll find some way to make your life hell).
 
What are you even talking about? Nobody wants to promote more births for crack whores.

Also, this seems a little racist of you given who crack whores tend to be.
LOL. Hyperbolic comment about Trump’s “plan” to increase US pregnancies. And crack whores know no race, creed, or religion 😂
 
I think you vastly overestimate the assimilation and intentions of such refugees. I get to interact with Somalis regularly and they are not a net positive for society. Culturally, there are major issues that detract from the common beliefs and goals.
This, it’s not about race, it’s about speaking the same language, fitting in culturally, & probably economic status, which are all fine by me. If people want to help refugees, that’s great, they can do so personally, but I don't want to pay for it when there are thousands of Americans that need help…
 
This, it’s not about race, it’s about speaking the same language, fitting in culturally, & probably economic status, which are all fine by me. If people want to help refugees, that’s great, they can do so personally, but I don't want to pay for it when there are thousands of Americans that need help…
Agreed.

Also, I'll keep saying it over and over not that it matters. Democrats think in generations and Republicans think in 4 year cycles. The PTB know this.

Why else can't I get some douche like @HurryingHoosiers

To answer the simple question, "why do you want immigrants here?"

I'm from Washington, IN. Been living nearby for 15 years. Hardly have been around until the last 2-3. It's, well, different. Not the same town I grew up in.

Bloomington is a shithole. The one thing we should all agree on is going to shit. We'll, except IU football

Coach Cig for Mayor of every town and Governor
 
This, it’s not about race, it’s about speaking the same language, fitting in culturally, & probably economic status, which are all fine by me. If people want to help refugees, that’s great, they can do so personally, but I don't want to pay for it when there are thousands of Americans that need help…

Jet, how do you respond to someone such as myself who thinks about being part of what is called the human race?
 
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Jet, how do you respond to someone such as myself who thinks about being part of what is called the human race?
This. Is. Everything. When it comes to making decisions. Ultimately boundaries are artificial lines drawn by humans for territorial reasons. But we are all one species and should look after one another. It’s ironic to me that the MAGA’s for whatever reason think they have a lock on Christianity yet they literally defy the greatest commandment according to Jesus. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength AND love your neighbor as yourself. Well just what is my neighbor? Jesus the reported the story of the Good Samaritan.
 
Jet, how do you respond to someone such as myself who thinks about being part of what is called the human race?
I understand this wasn't for me.

Competition. We can't save everyone.

I'm a Christian and also have a degree in biology.

Forget the human race.

What are your personal struggles? Work within what you can control.

The human mind is an asshole
 
Do you remember in, "A Time To Kill" when Matthew Mconoughey's character was speaking to the all white jury about what this black girl went through and asked them to close their eyes and imagine? He explained how she was repeatedly raped, spit on, beat on, urinated on, thrown over to die. Then he says, "imagine if she was white".
Too late -- this doesn't make up for the crappy thing you posted in your Post No. 140, "pastor."
 
Too late -- this doesn't make up for the crappy thing you posted in your Post No. 140, "pastor."
The movie is an example of what people are saying about letting white people in the country. They are not illegal. They are being slaughtered and there are some people who would let them in gladly if they were black.
 
The movie is an example of what people are saying about letting white people in the country. They are not illegal. They are being slaughtered and there are some people who would let them in gladly if they were black.
So what?

I'm talking about the crappy thing you posted in Post No. 140, "pastor."

You're trying to deflect attention away from what you posted in Post 140.
 
The movie is an example of what people are saying about letting white people in the country. They are not illegal. They are being slaughtered and there are some people who would let them in gladly if they were black.
No one is against white people being let in. People are just pointing out the hypocrisy of the people that call anyone of color illegal immigrants.

Sorry but just making immigration exceptions for white people is pretty suspect.
 
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No one is against white people being let in. People are just pointing out the hypocrisy of the people that call anyone of color illegal immigrants.

Sorry but just making immigration exceptions for white people is pretty suspect.
Who is Trump keeping out because they are people of color? Isn't he kicking anyone out who came into the nation illegally? If a bunch of Swedish people came up through Mexico I truly believe if they were found out they would be kicked out too.
 
Jet, how do you respond to someone such as myself who thinks about being part of what is called the human race?
Not Jet, but I'll chime in.
I didn't know that you were challenging AOC, Warren and Schiffty schift all at the same time.
Refuse your neighbors plight to favor problems outside of your understanding or control. Perfect way to totally fail the "human race" you care so much for. 100% success at failing.
 
Who is Trump keeping out because they are people of color? Isn't he kicking anyone out who came into the nation illegally? If a bunch of Swedish people came up through Mexico I truly believe if they were found out they would be kicked out too.
Let me know when Trump invites immigrants of color like he did for South Africa.

All I see him doing to those people is call them illegal immigrants and flying them to El Salvador
 
This. Is. Everything. When it comes to making decisions. Ultimately boundaries are artificial lines drawn by humans for territorial reasons. But we are all one species and should look after one another. It’s ironic to me that the MAGA’s for whatever reason think they have a lock on Christianity yet they literally defy the greatest commandment according to Jesus. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength AND love your neighbor as yourself. Well just what is my neighbor? Jesus the reported the story of the Good Samaritan.
I’m not a Christian, nor what you’d like to call MAGA. Jesus taught some good lessons, but I don’t subscribe to all of it. I will take care of my family, people in my community, country, etc, not really concerned with the rest of the human race until “my people” are taken care of, & no American should go without while our tax money is spent on immigrants & refugees. Your cause isn’t mine, & I shouldn’t have to fund it…
 
In one way, I think Trump’s ultranationalist positions are corrosive to geopolitical stability and hurts our ability to form and maintain alliances. Specifically in Europe which is still a major player although declining in stature.

In another. Should we expect any country to do anything other than what is best for them? Why should we make decisions and set policy in the interest of anyone other than ourselves?

Milei, Poland, MBS, Qatar. If they’re willing to bring money to the table and all the Euros want to do is bring coarse words something has to give.

I think this Middle East trip could potentially be historic. We have shifted from alliances with countries with whom we supposedly share ideology to countries who are willing to put up or shut up. They bring the cash.

Whether we want a large portion of the American economy funded on the back of middle eastern oil money is another question.

I don’t trust them. And it will take decades of good faith until I do.
 
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Ok fake PhD wannabe doctor. Why do YOU
want these immigrants here.

I dont. I'll tell you right here right now m, send these ****ers home. I'll do it myself and better
I have dozens of posts over the past year all over multiple threads discussing my position on refugees. You have resorted to childish personal attacks. I’m done with you
 
I have dozens of posts over the past year all over multiple threads discussing my position on refugees. You have resorted to childish personal attacks. I’m done with you
Good. You're an emotional midget. One of those lefties that say "i used to be a republican but I'm taking the moral high ground" i didn't resort to childish attacks. I called you what you are. A leftist. Just own it and stop lying.

Just be honest. People appreciate that.

Ill be honest. I want pre 1965 immigration act policy. I want and end to birthright citizenship. LBJ took FDRs reigns and finished this county off with shitty public policy.

It has nothing to do with race. I enjoy the things other cultures bring. Food especially. But like all things we can get saturated by it. The small town I grew up in, Washington Indiana is overwhelmed by Haitians. I live nearby and it's spreading. They don't fit culturally and it's ****ing up the community.

Hispanics fit. Especially Cubans and Honduras. Not many of them though. I wonder why?
 
Way to miss the point. I am saying everyone should be treated the same.

Unlike Trump and Maga racists who only think whites are ok. Dems aren't the one defending the racist.
Well, thats a fundamental difference. I don't think Muslims from Somalia should be treated the same as people from Latin America.

Hispanics at least bring something.


Dems are the most racist people that ever existed.
 
This. Is. Everything. When it comes to making decisions. Ultimately boundaries are artificial lines drawn by humans for territorial reasons. But we are all one species and should look after one another. It’s ironic to me that the MAGA’s for whatever reason think they have a lock on Christianity yet they literally defy the greatest commandment according to Jesus. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength AND love your neighbor as yourself. Well just what is my neighbor? Jesus the reported the story of the Good Samaritan.
Just no. Holy fvck. Also, quit using Jesus and the Bible, you don't understand it like you think you do.

You claim to be a doctor, I don't believe it.

Humans create cultural standards and have drawn lines for a reason. Go live in North Korea you'd probably like it there.

Decisions need to be made according to our law and in our best interest which isn't being done.
 
This. Is. Everything. When it comes to making decisions. Ultimately boundaries are artificial lines drawn by humans for territorial reasons. But we are all one species and should look after one another. It’s ironic to me that the MAGA’s for whatever reason think they have a lock on Christianity yet they literally defy the greatest commandment according to Jesus. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength AND love your neighbor as yourself. Well just what is my neighbor? Jesus the reported the story of the Good Samaritan.
I understand this wasn't for me.

Competition. We can't save everyone.

I'm a Christian and also have a degree in biology.

Forget the human race.

What are your personal struggles? Work within what you can control.

The human mind is an asshole

Whyis, writes, "we are all part of the same species and should look after each other" and SS says, "we cannot save everyone".

Picked both of these responses in respect to my reminder that we are all part of the human race. Instead of calling me naive and therefore completely unaware of reality these posters were kind.

As someone who actually focuses on probability I might not have been as kind to answering my own post as were these gentlement.

In all reality, let us face the fact the human race is competitive. Granted this competitivenes may lead to our ultimate downfall. On the other hand, the positive side of competition could lead to innovations which saves the human race.

Only time will tell.
 
Whyis, writes, "we are all part of the same species and should look after each other" and SS says, "we cannot save everyone".

Picked both of these responses in respect to my reminder that we are all part of the human race. Instead of calling me naive and therefore completely unaware of reality these posters were kind.

As someone who actually focuses on probability I might not have been as kind to answering my own post as were these gentlement.

In all reality, let us face the fact the human race is competitive. Granted this competitivenes may lead to our ultimate downfall. On the other hand, the positive side of competition could lead to innovations which saves the human race.

Only time will tell.
It’s not really a question. If the human race stops being competitive. We will all die.
 
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