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Karl Marx (Marxism) and Communism Brought Death to Millions: Over 65 Million and Counting

And, you know what? I probably deserved it, so no angry crying from me. It's not that deep.

(Here, to make you feel less threatened..."I bet this post gets zapped...waaah".)
No reason to delete. Say what you want to me. Based on what Mark’s deleting the two I deleted should have been deleted.
 
Wow wow wow. What a night last night was on the board. Very raw. Very real. We pulled back the curtain ever so slightly and revealed our worst fears about this board.
I want to thank @DANC for both his relentless pursuit of what is right and, frankly, his courage.
I disagree. You and the crew were soft as butter in my opinion. You're too nice. It's why in elementary school Johnny stole your ring pops, girl, and dignity on the monkey bars. Not anymore, though! It's time to bring the heat. Scorched earth or nothing. I want the GOAT so nervous he is lighting his next cigarette with the one he is currently smoking.
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Random thoughts

Trolling accusations are silly.

Ignore button iis sily.

The silliest posts are “boy, this is a stupid thread”. A mod posting that instead of zapping the thread is just said mod being condescending.

Every poster here occasionally posts crap. Every poster here has posted quality.

Being a jackass poster is often fun and entertaining. That is what the board has become. More entertaining than a forum for seriousness.

The WC is the AOTF without the tiny bikinis and without friendliness and respect.

We can return to majority quality if the mods want to do that. Mods must lead the way.
 
You really should lighten up... if you didn't take everything so personally and seriously on here and try to use some humor.... you'd probably have a much better time, “…but you seem insistent on getting angry, shitting on most threads and attempting to start arguments with anyone and everyone, while playing like you're a victim…”
If he can’t play the victim, he wouldn’t have an identity. He’d have to look in the mirror and I don’t think he’s capable.
 
Have a hard time figuring out how anyone could actually believe Marx's anti capitalist theories might be practical in running a government given what happened in the countries of the former Soviet Union and China.

Russia now is run by an oligarchy of gangsters with a billionaire capitalist Putin as their leader, and China's main source of economic growth is selling products to capitalist nations.
 
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Have a hard time figuring out how anyone could actually believe Marx's anti capitalist theories might be practical in running a government given what happened in the countries of the former Soviet Union and China.

Russia now is run by an oligarchy of gangsters with a billionaire capitalist Putin as their leader, and China's main source of economic growth is selling products to capitalist nations.
We talked about this a bit in the Gorby thread, but I think the biggest problem with communism is that it requires a proletarian revolution to be a stepping stone toward a communist utopia, but during that stepping stone phase, as the proletariat is consolidating and wielding state power, they are also becoming the new elite class. Once in that position, why should we expect them to be any more willing to yield their power than the bourgeoisie was? Communism fails because it can only succeed if humans in power make a conscious decision to act against human nature.

At least on a large scale. Small-scale communes that have worked probably do so because they are small enough that the sense of community overcomes the human desire to wield power over each other.
 
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We talked about this a bit in the Gorby thread, but I think the biggest problem with communism is that it requires a proletarian revolution to be a stepping stone toward a communist utopia, but during that stepping stone phase, as the proletariat is consolidating and wielding state power, they are also becoming the new elite class. Once in that position, why should we expect them to be any more willing to yield their power than the bourgeoisie was? Communism fails because it can only succeed if humans in power make a conscious decision to act against human nature.

At least on a large scale. Small-scale communes that have worked probably do so because they are small enough that the sense of community overcomes the human desire to wield power over each other.
Relating that to a oft discussed topic on here is Amish. They are capitalist for sure but when one member's barn for example gets destroyed by fire they come together and build a new one. Self insured through their community and they have different sects and don't all like each other.

New Harmony was an interesting one back in 1820's era in Indiana
 
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Relating that to a oft discussed topic on here is Amish. They are capitalist for sure but when one member's barn for example gets destroyed by fire they come together and build a new one. Self insured through their community and they have different sects and don't all like each other.

New Harmony was an interesting one back in 1820's era in Indiana
Good analogy. The Amish definitely aren't communist, but they certainly highlight how a strong sense of community can make it easier to overcome selfish decision-making.
 
Good analogy. The Amish definitely aren't communist, but they certainly highlight how a strong sense of community can make it easier to overcome selfish decision-making.
No doubt religion plays a huge part and I admit the lines of communism and socialism are blurred to me.

One of the differences with Amish as a group they have rules and leaders but they Aren't commanded by a government exactly.

One thing I have always found interesting is they are really, really tight . Yet at an auction and especially if it is brought about by an accident/untimely death, They will spend money on tools and other things like crazy to help out.

I just don't see it working out ever on an across the board scenario.

I am a bit envious of having that kind of help in the waiting, however if you get shunned............. I have a neighbor that is a JO that ran an excavating business. He got horribly in debt, got a hispanic woman pregnant and more and they had nothing to do with him.

My point of that even in their world their always going to be a hierarchy and communism requires almost robotic people in my opinion
 
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Don't become a marxist or support those who are.
Again, I’ll say, ok great.

If you’re concerned that we have too many Marxists in the world and that’s a hill worth dying on, I don’t know what to say to that.
 
We talked about this a bit in the Gorby thread, but I think the biggest problem with communism is that it requires a proletarian revolution to be a stepping stone toward a communist utopia, but during that stepping stone phase, as the proletariat is consolidating and wielding state power, they are also becoming the new elite class. Once in that position, why should we expect them to be any more willing to yield their power than the bourgeoisie was? Communism fails because it can only succeed if humans in power make a conscious decision to act against human nature.

At least on a large scale. Small-scale communes that have worked probably do so because they are small enough that the sense of community overcomes the human desire to wield power over each other.

Goat, interesting perspective calling the oligarch pals of Putin as being working class guys (proletariat) who became elites only after Putin put them in power.

Shouldn't forget the oligarchs turned elite are also owners of businesses (capitalists) the income from which makes them very rich. Also in absence of a market economy these oligarchs don't face competition within the Russian economy. Also with Putin running the government his crony capitalist buddies undoubtedly don't pay their fair share in taxes from the profits.

Another class of elites would be the government bosses who run the government owned operations financed through taxes. They may be better off than most Russians but hardly rich.

Always thought if Marx had lived another 100 years he would be surprised with how well our mixed economy has worked. As to class warfare, let us face it, most working class Americans admire the rich capitalists and wish they could be more like them.
 
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