That's a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
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That's a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
Real quick, I have to start putting in my time here shortly. The psychology for it is the same for everyone. How it plays out will not be the same for every job. In the case of hourly. You have two people in a customer service queue being paid hourly. It is a slow day. If they complete their duties they are instructed to have one go out and help keep the sales floor cleaned up too. Now, they also have returns that they are working through, it isn't just not a heavy day. Everytime you walk by you see then folding and processing returns. They are working the whole time. However, I bet the gear they are working in isn't their quickest, right after Christmas, I need to crank these returns back out as possible because I have to stay after until it is done type of work speed.
You get that max effort from really good employees up until the point where that first raise comes out. Then they reevaluate. Is me doing 25% more than these other guys every day worth an extra 25 cents an hour? Enh. Is it worth an extra $1 an hour? Maybe.
People getting paid hourly are literally paid to be there doing what is asked of them. Like Digressions said above though, they all watch each other and do their own internal economic analysis. Even uour best employees can and will have engagement drop if they experience what they feel is under appreciation from the boss. And appreciation can take more forms than money, although I think you have more forms available to you potentially in a salaried environment than you do an hourly customer service environment.
Probably last I will be able to comment for now.
No you’re a trump obsessed poster whose posts appeal to similarly afflicted. They offer nothing. You rarely posting is a blessing.
I would say that's not really applicable to reality in large orgs. And most large orgs don't operate like law firms. Small businesses different too.
In reality most employees will quickly adjust, even if only doing so subconsciously. 'this week I've got deadlines to meet on X, Y, Z'... I'm thinking across the week and setting my schedule and my internal deadlines appropriately and then setting whatever pace is necessary to meet them. If my reward for amping up my productivity to level 10 and getting done faster is boss MCM is just going to dump me with more work on Friday, I'll just dial this back to a level 7 all week.
If you let people set their objectives a lot will set their objective so low that it's easy to reach. I was a programmer working on projects and other projects were always lined up behind the one I was working on so my objective was to get all of them done (might take a year or two) so if I had only worked 6 hours/day when there was plenty to do I would have been cheating. I have never worked in a job where there was a defined end as far as time (of course I had goals to get it done in a certain time).. If my boss told me that I needed to get project X done by the end of the month and I thought that was reasonable then it doesn't matter whether I work from home or the office as long as I get it done.
I agree in principal but I know in my case that the bosses had no idea how to set a reasonable goal for the projects I worked on. In my job I got interrupted a lot so I always had to go "fix" something and then come back and figure out where I was in the project I was working on so that cut into my project time.
That's true but if you're paid to work 8 hours/day then it also buys you 8 hours of work. I was paid a salary but I was also paid to work 8 hours/day plus some overtime. I did a couple contract jobs after I retired and I got paid a set amount to get them done by a certain time. It was now my responsibility to get them done if it took 12 hours/day or only 4 hours/day and it didn't matter whether I worked from home or the office.
Those are well defined goals so if she gets them done it 30 hours it's fine.. You probably have pretty good idea of how long it should take so if it's two weeks later and it's still not done the she better have some darn good reasons why they aren't done.
So when I post something substantive as noted above give me a true rebuttal. You’re nothing but a has been bully who has found a way to stroke your ego by making a bunch of nameless, faceless hangers on think you’re some sort of modern day renaissance man. It’s honestly pathetic how much you clearly rely on these boards for your own self worth
No it’s even better in real life. Sorry you’re no fun. I suspect that’s true in real life too. The one thing about a shitty personality is that you can’t hide. On a board. In real life. It’s just you
Now apologize for bringing nothing to this thread. It’s not about immigration
I do agree. I have long done a mix of projects and general IT support The result is there is absolutely no good way of knowing. I have been given wide latitude in making decisions, I have a deadline on project A but person X's computer isn't working. I almost always prioritize the person, but there are rare times I have to suggest they find non-computer work.
And it is tough, because if I am working on a hard problem and leave in the middle to determine why a computer isn't booting, it takes some time to get back into the thought processes I had when I left. It certainly wasn't efficient.
I apologize for thinking you might be a decent human being. Now you’re going on ignore permanently.
Honestly, I see both sides of this argument. I think we are all biased by our own experiences. In my job…approachability is one of the three key cogs. Working in a cubicle…which I’ve never done…I have no idea how to best create a competent work environment. I worked on a farm for roughly 10 years or so and can say the owner knowing when to call it a day is very important. Because the work is never truly done.
What do you want accomplished that day?
Once accomplished, do we send people home?
If we do…are they compensated for the days work or the time they put in?
Interesting thread and very good responses
If you're working from home it doesn't matter... nobody will know. 🤣 Did you know that you can buy a little apparatus that jiggles the mouse on your computer at random times. I wonder why anyone would want one of those.
Mega corps (and govt)... Managers often have very little leeway on how to reward high performers vs average performers. You have hard salary budgets and may have to battle for even offering raises above a baseline COLA. Getting substantial raises outside of promotions is basically impossible. Even promotions may come with little more than a better title.
Most workers now understand the only way to get a substantial raise is to change jobs and firms. One great way to keep people content is being able to offer flexible work arrangements. I've never had to deal with as little turnover as the last couple of years managing a remote team. People love it, the work is accomplished better than ever before. No reason to upset the apple cart in my view.
And yes we hired a couple slackers over this time. It didn't take long to recognize and they were fired.
Exactly and I think there a lot of jobs are like that. .. I know mine was. Like I said before I was on a salary but I was expected to work 8 hours/day plus some so I shouldn't work from home and call it quits at 6 hours just because I wanted to do something else. Like MCM said some place, there's a lot of distractions at home, especially if you have kids. My SIL works from home and I see how he does. In his last job be was paid to take calls and answer emails. He would be doing something personal at home and justify it by saying he was available to take calls so he was doing his job. I told him if he had a bunch of emails to reply to (which he had told me there always were emails) then he was cheating because he should be answering those.
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I tho k assumed that while in a large organization you were still in a department that operated like a smaller biz. I’ve never worked anywhere larger than 250 people, including the state
That is so true... and it's hard in a lot of jobs to know who the high performers are. There are talkers and there are doers. My experience is that the talkers normally advanced more quickly than the doers.
You must have a good handle on what is expected. If you do then working from home is fine in my opinion.
That's the key to letting people work from home. If you can eliminate them then working from home isn't a problem BUT you have to have a good idea of what should be getting done.
Lol .. Oh hell no. Word comes down from on high on policy like these. Thou shall comply.
One last thing. I suspect the hope that they can just get people to quit is in part to circumvent the greater protections fed ees enjoy vs just at will
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Poor people use Zoom. There. I said it.
When I retired over 20 years ago the company tried to rate employees and fit them rating to a bell curve... as many below average and there were above average. I've always thought that companies do a lot of very dumb things. You could have cut 10% of the employees where I worked IF you cut the right people but most companies just seem to cut at random. They may be afraid of being sued.
We use zoom with the university guy who invented our material and 75 percent of the time he looks like Wilson from tool time
WTF can be accomplished with zoom or any other online meeting that can’t be accomplished with a simple text message?
Or at least a phone call. I hate all that. Just call. But with us it is multiple people so zoom
A friend's daughter is a manager somewhere in F500 land, she was told that 10% had to fail. She complained, she thought her team was performing excellent. The explanation was that they may be, but some are less excellent and those people had to go.
Another company living the Ayn Randian dream. It reminds me of deathbed Sears, entirely Randian. Departments were judged against each other in a very cutthroat style. The idea was men's clothing would bust their butt to stay ahead of electronics. In practice, the people from men's clothing would be asked where electronics were and they would say, "It is down this aisle to the left, but did you hear that Best Buy next door is having a huge sale today." It turned out that sabotaging the adversary was just as effective as boosting one's own score.
It strikes me that making coworkers adversaries is not the best idea. But I'm not a manager.
Rules:
If your meeting isn't going to take 15 mins, send an email
If your meeting is going to take 30 mins it can't have more than 5 people
If you meeting is going to take an hour, reevaluate your life choices and consider finding Jesus/Buddah/whoever
Lars’ zoom post reminded me of the university research guys on our team. They are NEVER rushed. Never urgent. I really do think this question depends in part on industry. An oracle consultant SSA paralegal university researcher and factory worker are hard to make generalizations about
Courts have been pretty big with zoom in some areas, aren't they?
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The staff whose jobs were routine, (receptionist, bookkeeping, etc) were a different story.
i think there are too many moving parts to most professional-type jobs to make these kinds of generalizations. Even in my own work, I gave interesting stuff more time and attention than routine stuff. When I had deadlines piling up, or about to take time off, my work efficiency was nearing 100%. Other times it slacked off. Professional staff is the same. You can’t be at peak efficiency all the time and keep sane.
The staff whose jobs were routine, (receptionist, bookkeeping, etc) were a different story.
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So which banned poster is this? I am not here enough to keep up?
Is this Hotdog again?
Yep. And I think that raises the level of conflict and discord.
Back in the stone age when I first began lawyering, the courts held “motion day” when all kinds of pending motions were heard in various cases. The courtrooms were full of lawyers which gave you a chance to shoot the shit with other members of the bar, become friends, or even begin settlement talks. Nowadays all that stuff is remote and you seldom interact with other lawyers except if you represent opposing parties.
Mostly personal. I’m in Phoenix now and spent some time with a lawyer I’ve known for more than 55 years and now lives here. . We are great friends and did a lot together back in the day. We became friends at a motion day and then meeting in the law library. Both those opportunities are now ancient history and gone. The legal profession is worse for it, IMO.
Screenshare. Lots of screenshare so you don't have to send 20 text messages.
1, Incentive beyond salary. You'll find out how much work production based associates can do.
2. Reset benchmarks based on those results
3. Reset incetnive to the new benchmarks (achievable though, they gotta catch the carrot occasionally).
4. Performance management
5. Word of mouth recruiting (these can be non college grad hires/college grad entry level production folks) so they have the oppotunity to make 50-75k first or second year out of college or at age 22
6. Iterate on process/workflow mgmt with technology to increase productivity/benchmarks while driving down the cost per widget
7. Rinse/repeat
The incentive keeps people around and we were flexible (I was anyway, probably pissed off upper mgmt) well before COVID. There are very few situations where somebody needs to come into the office but they are limited to new hire training and, duh, performance mgmt.
Again, I work in a fast pased production environment that will probably be killed by automation/AI in 20 years (a thing we're actively trying to do of course).
That reminds me of what I used to tell my director when they rated on the bell curve. I would tell him that if I was competing to climb a tree there was 2 ways about going about it. I could work real hard and climb to the to of the tree faster than my competition or I could wait until he's in the tree and use my chainsaw to cut it down and run out to the top while my competition is trying to figure out what happened. 🤣
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