Just nothin going on in Dc. People never went

[mcmurtry66]

back to the office. Ridiculous. Biden is really something else

White House says mostly empty DC offices are a 'national embarrassment' in memo about federal RTO mandate

A memo from the White House's Office of Personnel Management criticized "virtually unrestricted" telework and laid out next steps for agency heads.

www.yahoo.com

 

[twenty02]

back to the office. Ridiculous. Biden is really something else

White House says mostly empty DC offices are a 'national embarrassment' in memo about federal RTO mandate

A memo from the White House's Office of Personnel Management criticized "virtually unrestricted" telework and laid out next steps for agency heads.

www.yahoo.com

This is mostly bullshit. Surely you know by now that the 'WH' lies incessantly.

Have some Fed friends that are getting fkd by this, including one that may have to the up moving across the country due to it....it's a lot more complicated than that dumb article makes it out to be.

It's a really terrible policy decision that's going to end up costing the govt a shit load of money to actually implement. I can expound but probably a waste of time.

 

[Lucy01]

This is mostly bullshit. Surely you know by now that the 'WH' lies incessantly.

Have some Fed friends that are getting fkd by this, including one that may have to the up moving across the country due to it....it's a lot more complicated than that dumb article makes it out to be.

It's a really terrible policy decision that's going to end up costing the govt a shit load of money to actually implement. I can expound but probably a waste of time.

It’s not bullshit or your friend wouldn’t be moving. Your mental disorder keeps you from understanding the truth.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

This is mostly bullshit. Surely you know by now that the 'WH' lies incessantly.

Have some Fed friends that are getting fkd by this, including one that may have to the up moving across the country due to it....it's a lot more complicated than that dumb article makes it out to be.

It's a really terrible policy decision that's going to end up costing the govt a shit load of money to actually implement. I can expound but probably a waste of time.

Trump good (grunt) all others bad

 

[ribbont]

This is mostly bullshit. Surely you know by now that the 'WH' lies incessantly.

Have some Fed friends that are getting fkd by this, including one that may have to the up moving across the country due to it....it's a lot more complicated than that dumb article makes it out to be.

It's a really terrible policy decision that's going to end up costing the govt a shit load of money to actually implement. I can expound but probably a waste of time.

Why would your friend have to move? Did your friend not live close to the office pre-covid?

 

[Lucy01]

Trump good (grunt) all others bad

77 million of us think Trump is good! ( fart )

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

77 million of us think Trump is good! ( fart )

40 million Germans voted for Hitler in Nov 1933.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This is mostly bullshit. Surely you know by now that the 'WH' lies incessantly.

Have some Fed friends that are getting fkd by this, including one that may have to the up moving across the country due to it....it's a lot more complicated than that dumb article makes it out to be.

It's a really terrible policy decision that's going to end up costing the govt a shit load of money to actually implement. I can expound but probably a waste of time.

I’ll read more about it. My instinct says otherwise. If they were always remote that’s one thing. If it was a temporary move as a response to Covid that’s another thing. And if productivity is indeed down it adds credence to the election to make them return to pre-Covid requirements.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Why would your friend have to move? Did your friend not live close to the office pre-covid?

Exactly. The rush to judgment has left out the salient point that they were in office precovid and now asked to return and don’t want to. Duh. Too bad

 

[mcmurtry66]

Trump good (grunt) all others bad

Did you read the part about providing poorer services? You don’t mind pissing taxes away or is to rush to trump your typical worthless response as a moronic poster?

Is it your default to not question gov? After one failure from gov after another the last six years? Maybe putting asses back in office will aid with accountability. I’ll take the director of opm over twenty’s remote worker friend

And before you cry off you get picked on bc you post like shit. Like the trump good nonsense.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

If anyone doesn't want to go back into the office (which I could totally understand), they could always go find some farm work. WIN WIN.

 

[twenty02]

Why would your friend have to move? Did your friend not live close to the office pre-covid?

They worked for one agency in person. Were hired by another into a full remote position. Trump (Elon) have revoked all remote work agreements.

There are many people that were hired on as remote employees and may be nowhere near their agency HQ. They move or be fired. But that's exactly their goal, they want people you quit.

Telework has been in the Feds since 2010, and many people worked hybrid schedules prior to Covid. Now they are pulling everything and requiring 5 days in office, across the board. Seems most agencies have been downsizing their real estate footprint for years, moving to hoteling space that fits a hybrid scheduled workforce. This matches what exists in much of private sector today. There is nowhere near enough space built out in most of these places to have all employees on site 5 days a week. So going to take massive reacquisition of space and build out to make it happen. Billions of $.

Hilarious (sad?) that Vance is out giving a speech that he wants the country to have more babies... At same time Feds revoking remote and hybrid schedules that most benefit working parents. Enjoy your two hour daily commute from hell in DC.

Again that's the point of it though, right?. Elon says they can get 25% of employees to quit. OMB director Russ Vought says they want to inflict 'trauma' onto Fed employees so that "employees hate getting up and going to work".

 

[mcmurtry66]

If anyone doesn't want to go back into the office (which I could totally understand), they could always go find some farm work. WIN WIN.

No one wants to go back to the office. And again these weren’t remote jobs. They became that as a response to Covid now they don’t want to go back

 

[mcmurtry66]

They worked for one agency in person. Were hired by another into a full remote position. Trump (Elon) have revoked all remote work agreements.

There are many people that were hired on as remote employees and may be nowhere near their agency HQ. They move or be fired. But that's exactly their goal, they want people you quit.

Telework has been in the Feds since 2010, and many people worked hybrid schedules prior to Covid. Now they are pulling everything and requiring 5 days in office, across the board. Seems most agencies have been downsizing their real estate footprint for years, moving to hoteling space that fits a hybrid scheduled workforce. This matches what exists in much of private sector today. There is nowhere near enough space built out in most of these places to have all employees on site 5 days a week. So going to take massive reacquisition of space and build out to make it happen. Billions of $.

Hilarious (sad?) that Vance is out giving a speech that he wants the country to have more babies... At same time Feds revoking remote and hybrid schedules that most benefit working parents. Enjoy your two hour daily commute from hell in DC.

Again that's the point of it though, right?. Elon says they can get 25% of employees to quit. OMB director Russ Vought says they want to inflict 'trauma' onto Fed employees so that "employees hate getting up and going to work".

And real estate is indeed a big area they’re cutting costs etc. shrinking the gov. Return those where poorer services have been highlighted etc. they’re shaking shit up. Finally

 

[twenty02]

And real estate is indeed a big area they’re cutting costs etc. shrinking the gov. Return those where poorer services have been highlighted etc. they’re shaking shit up. Finally

Did you even read what I said?

 

[twenty02]

No one wants to go back to the office. And again these weren’t remote jobs. They became that as a response to Covid now they don’t want to go back

False. Try again.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Did you even read what I said?

I read downsizing real estate footprint which is in keeping with what I’ve read. As for the rest I’ll go with opm saying they’ve found not returning to work after Covid measures has led to decreased productivity. Are we not to believe opm now? That’s a fiction? I’ll take the opm director over you. Sorry

 

[twenty02]

I read downsizing real estate footprint which is in keeping with what I’ve read. As for the rest I’ll go with opm saying they’ve found not returning to work after Covid measures has led to decreased productivity. Are we not to believe opm now? That’s a fiction?

I guess you didn't read it.

As my original post said, this probably a waste of time.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

No one wants to go back to the office. And again these weren’t remote jobs. They became that as a response to Covid now they don’t want to go back

TBH, that is one of the things that is stopping me from accepting another corp gig. I'm gonna start building gazebos, decks and small home improvements. So I totally get it, but I have that option (as of right now anyway) soooo.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I guess you didn't read it.

As my original post said, this probably a waste of time.

I understand all of it. A pretense to get some to quit. Difference between tele and remote etc.

You still aren’t speaking to the assertion that the prior policy contributed to poorer outcomes. So why wouldn’t we shrink the staff and return to precovid measures and see what those policies produce

 

[mcmurtry66]

TBH, that is one of the things that is stopping me from accepting another corp gig. I'm gonna start building gazebos, decks and small home improvements. So I totally get it, but I have that option (as of right now anyway) soooo.

Of course. No one wants to go the office. I think it was literally twenty just a few days ago posting about people with cushy home gigs

If it saves money and makes sense for some fed ees on the gs to work remote or tele or hybrid great. Do it. But opm found it’s contributing to poorer services then change it

People who trump are going to have this instant oh that’s bad reflex to everything this admin does. Let’s see first

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

They worked for one agency in person. Were hired by another into a full remote position. Trump (Elon) have revoked all remote work agreements.

There are many people that were hired on as remote employees and may be nowhere near their agency HQ. They move or be fired. But that's exactly their goal, they want people you quit.

Telework has been in the Feds since 2010, and many people worked hybrid schedules prior to Covid. Now they are pulling everything and requiring 5 days in office, across the board. Seems most agencies have been downsizing their real estate footprint for years, moving to hoteling space that fits a hybrid scheduled workforce. This matches what exists in much of private sector today. There is nowhere near enough space built out in most of these places to have all employees on site 5 days a week. So going to take massive reacquisition of space and build out to make it happen. Billions of $.

Hilarious (sad?) that Vance is out giving a speech that he wants the country to have more babies... At same time Feds revoking remote and hybrid schedules that most benefit working parents. Enjoy your two hour daily commute from hell in DC.

Again that's the point of it though, right?. Elon says they can get 25% of employees to quit. OMB director Russ Vought says they want to inflict 'trauma' onto Fed employees so that "employees hate getting up and going to work".

I’m having trouble identifying why anything you wrote is bad thing. We can get 25% of the federal workforce to quit voluntarily, that’s awesome.

The idea that the Feds will have to massively expand their real estate portfolio, I call B.S. I don’t believe you.

Of course how did people have babies before telework (they actually had more). Good point.

 

[twenty02]

I understand all of it. A pretense to get some to quit. Difference between tele and remote etc.

You still aren’t speaking to the assertion that the prior policy contributed to poorer outcomes. So why wouldn’t we shrink the staff and return to precovid measures and see what those policies produce

You clearly don't, as you've contradicted yourself like 4x already.

You really believe a press statement that comes out the White House written by political hacks as gospel? The guy who wrote that just showed up in DC this month.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I’m having trouble identifying why anything you wrote is bad thing. We can get 25% of the federal workforce to quit voluntarily, that’s awesome.

Of course how did people have babies before telework (they actually had more). Good point.

It is awesome. Let’s see how we do shrinking gov.

 

[twenty02]

I’m having trouble identifying why anything you wrote is bad thing. We can get 25% of the federal workforce to quit voluntarily, that’s awesome.

The idea that the Feds will have to massively expand their real estate portfolio, I call B.S. I don’t believe you.

Of course how did people have babies before telework (they actually had more). Good point.

Well you're generally a piece of shit person, so I could see why that appeals to you.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You clearly don't, as you've contradicted yourself like 4x already.

You really believe a press statement that comes out the White House written by political hacks as gospel? The guy who wrote that just showed up in DC this month.

I don’t think you know any better. I think you’re going with your I hate trump gut and are in no position to opine with any authority. Nor am I. But I’m tempted to believe remote work leads to poorer services as opm wrote. And as farva says I’m more than willing to give it a shot to reduce gov.

You might prove right. Let’s see

 

[twenty02]

I don’t think you know any better. I think you’re going with your I hate trump gut and are in no position to opine with any authority. Nor am I. But I’m tempted to believe remote work leads to poorer services as opm wrote. And as farva says I’m more than willing to give it a shot to reduce gov.

You might prove right. Let’s see

It's all out in plain sight. The orders, the intentions, etc.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's all out in plain sight. The orders, the intentions, etc.

The intent is to decrease staff and increase outcomes. Good. Let’s see if it works

 

[twenty02]

The intent is to decrease staff and increase outcomes. Good. Let’s see if it works

And it will be the opposite of that. When you make a workplace less desirable... What happens? People with options and desirable skills leave for elsewhere. And you are left with the dregs who have no other options.

 

[mcmurtry66]

And it will be the opposite of that. When you make a workplace less desirable... What happens? People with options and desirable skills leave for elsewhere. And you are left with the dregs who have no other options.

You may be spot on. That said I don’t think most gov ees who want to work from home are creating the next Tesla.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

And it will be the opposite of that. When you make a workplace less desirable... What happens? People with options and desirable skills leave for elsewhere. And you are left with the dregs who have no other options.

Yeah that’s been the case at literally zero of Elons companies. Where 60+ hour, in person weeks are the expectation. Granted they can probably compensate in a way the Fed can’t. Maybe the leftovers who want to work can absorb some of the salary of the deadbeats who quit.

By all means keep going with this.

 

[twenty02]

You may be spot on. That said I don’t think most gov ees who want to work from home are creating the next Tesla.

IT is probably the govts biggest challenge. Remote work agreements allowed them to recruit west coast IT workers. All those people are going to jump, they ain't moving to DC and they sure as hell aren't working anywhere requiring 5 days in office.

 

[mcmurtry66]

IT is probably the govts biggest challenge. Remote work agreements allowed them to recruit west coast IT workers. All those people are going to jump, they ain't moving to DC and they sure as hell aren't working anywhere requiring 5 days in office.

And maybe they’ll recognize that. For now if the opm says poorer services can be traced to Covid remote policies I’m going to take them at their word. And if we can shrink gov great. I remember in grad school clearly being told that gov agency’s operate no differently than a nonprofit program in the sense that you never ask for less money. Never ask to reduce staff. It implied you aren’t needed. Let’s cull some of this and see what happens.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yeah that’s been the case at literally zero of Elons companies. Where 60+ hour, in person weeks are the expectation. Granted they can probably compensate in a way the Fed can’t. Maybe the leftovers who want to work can absorb some of the salary of the deadbeats who quit.

By all means keep going with this.

Working more and harder is Elon’s number one thing. That’s clearly going to crash into a gov and a former admin that had guys like stay at home Pete as the face of ee rights

 

[Marvin the Martian]

This is copying Dell, get people to quit. Dell required everyone to go back to the office, they literally did not have near the space to house everyone had they come back. Person quits, no severance.

 

[twenty02]

Maybe the leftovers who want to work can absorb some of the salary of the deadbeats who quit.

Well nothing works like that in any large org. Definitely not one with rigid pay scales like the feds.

I'm not opposing returning to whatever the precovid policy was. But this ain't that. Hybrid work arrangements are the norm across the private sector. Feds are doing a wholesale blanket approach that goes back to a workforce posture of mid 2000s. More money spent and worse outcomes will be the result.

 

[snarlcakes]

IT is probably the govts biggest challenge. Remote work agreements allowed them to recruit west coast IT workers. All those people are going to jump, they ain't moving to DC and they sure as hell aren't working anywhere requiring 5 days in office.

I’m sure Elon doesn’t know how to handle IT work 🙄

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Well nothing works like that in any large org. Definitely not one with rigid pay scales like the feds.

I'm not opposing returning to whatever the precovid policy was. But this ain't that. Hybrid work arrangements are the norm across the private sector. Feds are doing a wholesale blanket approach that goes back to a workforce posture of mid 2000s. More money spent and worse outcomes will be the result.

The rigid pay scales are a problem for sure. Makes it hard to recruit/ retain good talent and fills the the gov with mediocrities.


Would much rather have three people making $500k a year than 16 people making $120K.

The generally accepted attitude towards government work is “well they’re good people, they just don’t want the stress and the hours of the private sector”

Then we’re surprised when we have below standard gov employees.

 

[twenty02]

I’m sure Elon doesn’t know how to handle IT work 🙄

Yep I'm sure their end game is to contract a lot more of it out

 

[mcmurtry66]

This is copying Dell, get people to quit. Dell required everyone to go back to the office, they literally did not have near the space to house everyone had they come back. Person quits, no severance.

Yep presupposes people quitting. Incidentally I was in a store yesterday with my daughter that was an old gateway retail computer shop. I was telling her about all that time