the on3 website has him above both, really didn't watch much Iowa this year, is he that good
Josh Dix rated ahead of Tucker and Reneau?
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It's close. He's a great scorer. He can score off the dribble. Is DeVries more if a 3 point or 2 point shooter? Dix is creative off the bounce. Malik doesn't play hard enough or consistent enough.
Freeman is highly rated also, the older Sandfort kid seemed like a good player, why was iowa so bad
Slow, unathletic, didn't play a lick of defense
Gotta be a little careful giving much credence to these rankings. Go back and look where guys were slotted vs what they did this year. Seems to me it’s more about fit and how good the new coach is.
Who Freeman? I like that kid and think he battles. Can't say I noticed his D, but just overall seems to have an edge to him and be a battler to me. I'd be surprised if he was a poor defender. My guess is he's a better defender and rebounder than either Reneau or Mbako.
Rebounding numbers similar to Reneau, Mgbako is a wing. None I would say are good defenders. Helped that Freeman guarded opposing 5's and not opposing 4s like Reneau did most of his career. Offensively, Reneau and Freeman are very good around the rim....don't offer much else. Creighton fans are going to be disappointed with Freeman after being spoiled by Kalkbrenner the last 5 years.
I didn't realize Freeman had already selected, but thought I heard he had a do not call designation. Freeman was hurt much of the year, but still averaged 16ppg and 6.7 rebounds; 1 more than Malik I think. Better player in my mind. Yes, Kalkenbrenner is > than either.
Great to see you back Doggy. Just crawl out of the recesses of Woody's anus?
True. I would have liked to have seen Mbako take on the challenge and try and prove himself to CDD. I think it would be the best thing for his NBA appeal too. Wherever he goes, he needs someone to really push him to give better effort and defend.
So weird to me, because when he committed I heard Rick Bozich rave about him, when he noticed him while watching DJ Wagner, who both Lville and UK were after at the time, in AAU. Talked about what a great motor he had and how he did all the little things like defend and rebound, etc... Totally opposite of the player I saw in an IU uni.
The only thing that makes sense..........sometime between then and when we got him he had a stroke.
More guys than not have "blossomed" after leaving Woodson's IU program.
I obviously have no basis for this assertion, other than watching the games, and a handful of what I think are pretty credible accounts on how Woodson coaches the team on a daily basis... But I can't help but come back to what I believe to be true... Woodson spent very, very little time teaching his players how to play basketball the "right way". Rather, he spent most of his time on plays, principles, talking down to them about being "better"...
I use my own AJ Guyton experience as a potential example for a guy like Mgbako, and how he looked to everyone in an IU uniform.
I played in the IU recruits barnstorming tour AJ's year. Mike Lewis, Jason Collier, Luke Jimenez, ARE, etc... Practiced against them a lot in that summer, played games against them... And me being an enormous IU fan, I came away from that summer thoroughly unimpressed with Guyton as a prospect. What I saw was a disinterested, undisciplined, very skilled player. Didn't have the benefit of social media, to see how good he was in HS. But Lewis, Collier obviously, even Jimenez, were MUCH more impressive to me, at the time.
Knowing what I know now...I was just seeing "open gym" AJ. Not what a real game situation AJ would be...not what Bob Knight coached AJ would be...obviously.
I think Mack, under Woodson, was more often than not, just "Open gym Mack"... because that's basically how Woodson coached him. If he goes to a coach and program that will demand he does the fundamental things, better... we'll see a completely different Mack next year. And at which point, with his size and shooting abilities, I wouldn't say making an NBA team is out of the question some day.
He could probably get away with 1/2-3/4 effort against a bunch of fellow HS players. Spent four years getting away with it, then went up against experienced D1 players.
a guy like tucker I could agree with you on, I think MM just lacks the athleticism to ever play in the NBA level. in some ways we were a very talented team this year in other ways you break them down individually a lot of the guys had major flaws.
Banks and Gunn put up good numbers this year, but on bad teams or in a bad conference I don't think either one of them would have contributed at IU this past season.
Reneau, MM, Rice, Carlyse and possibly Cupps are major d1 starter type talents. will be very interesting to follow how they do at their new destinations. We may say damn Woodson screwed up with these guys or we may say damn Woodson did a decent job with this bunch.
At the end of day, it was Woodson's roster and being a bubble team is not acceptable.
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