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So he couldn't stay and play and get NIL and work on his shot. If he did work on his shot and say got drafted top 10 he would have doubled his money per year on the rookie scale. Plus now he behind the eight ball trying to get a second contact which would make you alot of money another year at Indiana would made him alot more money down the road instead he took the quick money and his career in the NBA could be over soon.
wtf would he do that? He pretty much got a lottery ticket. You don’t cash in a jackpot ticket for a better chance at a bigger lottery. You think him staying and getting injured wouldn’t have hurt his draft stock?(which likely would’ve happened) remember he missed games from his back issue. He sat out last year for his back procedure. He easily made the right move.
 
What you describe would have been great... if it actually would've happened. I guess you're banking on how many guys have developed their shooting under CMW? How much has his shooting improved in the NBA without the distractions of class, college social life, etc..., and with greater resources and time?
And a 7 figure payday. No way a fool doesn’t go after that season.
 
If anyone hasn’t heard by now, plays for the Utah Jazz as of the bs trade between the Mavs and Lakers.

Basically Luka for AD. NBA allows all the star players to get traded to the Lakers for practically nothing. Other teams could have offered way more for Luka! Doesn’t help that Cuban is no longer in charge and the new owner formerly worked for LaL.
I guess the Mavs will roll with 3 starting Cs now and LA will have no C! Im sure the NBA will gift LA another superstar for a washing machine! I hope Luka stays out of shape and fails until Leebro retires! NBA sucks, glad I dont watch it!
With all that said, I hope JHS finds a success place in Utah!
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Luka is one hell of an offensive player, but has little to no interest in playing defense. And he is almost always out of shape. He isn’t someone I’d want leading my team, even with all his offensive abilities. They should have been able to get more for him, but I don’t blame them for getting rid of him before he’s due a max contract in the 350MM range.
 
And a 7 figure payday. No way a fool doesn’t go after that season.
Jhs signed a. 4 years 17.8 million contract. If he waited got better and was picked 10th he would had a contract of 4 years 25million plus he would of got atleast million or more for NIL so that's quit a difference to me. Look at Ware last year came back got probably 1 million for NIL plus picked 15th and signed a 4 20.5 million dollar deal.
 
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I think Dallas decided they didn’t want to deal with Luca’s posse which included his own medical team, being overweight and no defense.

I think they’re believe Kyrie is playing great. They will let him dominate the ball and they think AD gives them best chance to win it all.
When has relying on Kyrie ever been a bad decision? AmIright?
 
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Jhs signed a. 4 years 17.8 million contract. If he waited got better and was picked 10th he would had a contract of 4 years 25million plus he would have got atleast million or more for NIL so that's quit a difference to me. Look at Ware last year came back got probably 1 million for NIL plus picked 15th and signed a 4 20.5 million dollar deal.
Ware wasn’t in the same position as JHS. JHS was nursing a back injury and his name was hot. Ware had a bad scout and was thought of pretty poorly because of what happened in Oregon. You don’t come back to move up a few spots. JHS 100% made the right move. I’m not sure any sane person gives up 18 million at a chance for 25 million. That’s just ignorant.
 
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as a guard, he needs to be able to hit the outside shot. but he has all the resources he needs to improve his game. he did not need another year of college to get that done.
and you should go see an NBA game. the product is so much better than it was years ago. not perfect but much better.
The skill level and product overall is better but I can’t handle the officiating and the whining and favoritism by the so-called stars.
 
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Ware wasn’t in the same position as JHS. JHS was nursing a back injury and his name was hot. Ware had a bad scout and was thought of pretty poorly because of what happened in Oregon. You don’t come back to move up a few spots. JHS 100% made the right move. I’m not sure any sane person gives up 18 million at a chance for 25 million. That’s just ignorant.
I guess i'm ignorant 7 million is alot more money plus the key here is he gets a year to develop in college something that has not happened in two years in the NBA.
 
I think Dallas decided they didn’t want to deal with Luca’s posse which included his own medical team, being overweight and no defense.

I think they’re believe Kyrie is playing great. They will let him dominate the ball and they think AD gives them best chance to win it all.
Barkley says it’s not about his conditioning :)
 
I guess i'm ignorant 7 million is alot more money plus the key here is he gets a year to develop in college something that has not happened in two years in the NBA.
If he didn’t in the nba what makes you think he would in college? He sat out almost an entire year after getting drafted for back surgery. He would’ve been sitting the entire year in college. Argument makes no sense. Not in this instance. Especially how different the draft was the next year.
 
I guess i'm ignorant 7 million is alot more money plus the key here is he gets a year to develop in college something that has not happened in two years in the NBA.
It's speculation vs. known. There's no guarantee that another year in college would have improved his draft prospects. Conceivably (not saying likely, but possible), he could have slipped to the 2nd round and been worse off.
 
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If he didn’t in the nba what makes you think he would in college? He sat out almost an entire year after getting drafted for back surgery. He would’ve been sitting the entire year in college. Argument makes no sense. Not in this instance. Especially how different the draft was the next year.


Should of stayed longer got NIL and worked on his game.
 
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Do you think he would have improved under Woodson?
I dont think it has anything to do with Woodson I don't credit Woodson for Tjd Ware, or Jhs. There is no reason to jump to the NBA with Nil. Jhs cost himself millions didn't find a good fit never played and now is out of the NBA. Another year getting better improving his shot maybe gets drafted top 10 makes alot more money and maybe is playing significant minutes and getting ready for a second contact.
 
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I dont think it has anything to do with Woodson I don't credit Woodson for Tjd Ware, or Jhs. There is no reason to jump to the NBA with Nil. Jhs cost himself millions didn't find a good fit never played and now is out of the NBA. Another year getting better improving his shot maybe gets drafted top 10 makes alot more money and maybe is playing significant minutes and getting ready for a second contact.
A lot of “maybe” in that theory. Hope he didn’t spend all his money.
 
I dont think it has anything to do with Woodson I don't credit Woodson for Tjd Ware, or Jhs. There is no reason to jump to the NBA with Nil. Jhs cost himself millions didn't find a good fit never played and now is out of the NBA. Another year getting better improving his shot maybe gets drafted top 10 makes alot more money and maybe is playing significant minutes and getting ready for a second contact.
Yes there is. He wouldn’t make enough to justify the risk of injury which he had. He made his money on the bench healing up but you choose to ignore that.
 
8,074,880 carrier earnings. After taxes California takes around 13 percent so that's about another 500k per year plus 6 percent agents that's 160k oer year so 320k so that's 6,754,880 roughly..
 
Yes there is. He wouldn’t make enough to justify the risk of injury which he had. He made his money on the bench healing up but you choose to ignore that.
He could of made atleast a million in NIL at Indiana would of improved his draft status got more money moving up worse case he gets hurt guess what stays at Indiana again get more NIL money then goes to NBA after junior year makes more money again. This isn’t the old days you get paid very well in college.
 
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He could of made atleast a million in NIL at Indiana would of improved his draft status got more money moving up worse case he gets hurt guess what stays at Indiana again get more NIL money then goes to NBA after junior year makes more money again. This isn’t the old days you get paid very well in college.
His draft prospects were high. No guarantee they would stay that way. People here always like to say the NBA drafts on potential. If he stays at Indiana, under Woodson, doesn't improve, misses another tournament and chances to showcase what he can do, estimates of his potential could drop.

Strike while the iron is hot. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Pick your cliche.
 
His draft prospects were high. No guarantee they would stay that way. People here always like to say the NBA drafts on potential. If he stays at Indiana, under Woodson, doesn't improve, misses another tournament and chances to showcase what he can do, estimates of his potential could drop.

Strike while the iron is hot. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Pick your cliche.
That and injury. He had a back issue for 2 years. He easily made the right choice and you explained it perfectly.
 
He could of made atleast a million in NIL at Indiana would of improved his draft status got more money moving up worse case he gets hurt guess what stays at Indiana again get more NIL money then goes to NBA after junior year makes more money again. This isn’t the old days you get paid very well in college.
The old ways still apply. What nil has actually helped is lower level draft guys. TJD was one of those. He got lucky he got drafted to golden state.
 
Jhs signed a. 4 years 17.8 million contract. If he waited got better and was picked 10th he would had a contract of 4 years 25million plus he would of got atleast million or more for NIL so that's quit a difference to me. Look at Ware last year came back got probably 1 million for NIL plus picked 15th and signed a 4 20.5 million dollar deal.
and if he'd gotten hurt?

There are always "what-ifs", but you can't fault the guy for what he did.
 
and if he'd gotten hurt?

There are always "what-ifs", but you can't fault the guy for what he did.
His shot was always an issue and shooting every day in the pros was no help so can’t see it would be any different shooting every day in Bloomington. He just doesn’t have the secret shooting sauce. I can’t imagine the Lakers didn’t speak with Woodson about the pick and were told thumbs up so the Lakers got short end and JHS did well.
 
That and injury. He had a back issue for 2 years. He easily made the right choice and you explained it perfectly.
No matter where you stand on the early entry debate, the injury risk factor is overblown. A player has a less than 1% chance of suffering an injury severe enough to affect his draft status. The real risk is that staying in college longer might expose his game as suspect, which could be stated “I’ll declare for the draft before they realize I’m not really that good.”
 
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I dont think it has anything to do with Woodson I don't credit Woodson for Tjd Ware, or Jhs. There is no reason to jump to the NBA with Nil. Jhs cost himself millions didn't find a good fit never played and now is out of the NBA. Another year getting better improving his shot maybe gets drafted top 10 makes alot more money and maybe is playing significant minutes and getting ready for a second contact.
You don’t know that he cost himself millions. There is the obvious injury risk, And by coming back he also might have exposed himself to a lower ceiling than previously thought. TJD’s presence created lots of space for him for his mid range game that might have overstated the scout. And the Purdue game was likely an aberration that created an unrealistic expectation. I actually never thought he was a strong NBA prospect because of his lack of explosive athletic ability. Shotmaking is not his only flaw.
 
You don’t know that he cost himself millions. There is the obvious injury risk, And by coming back he also might have exposed himself to a lower ceiling than previously thought. TJD’s presence created lots of space for him for his mid range game that might have overstated the scout. And the Purdue game was likely an aberration that created an unrealistic expectation. I actually never thought he was a strong NBA prospect because of his lack of explosive athletic ability. Shotmaking is not his only flaw.
Agree. His vertical game also poor-yes not explosive. I believe he could have gotten by if lights out shooter though.
 
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No matter where you stand on the early entry debate, the injury risk factor is overblown. A player has a less than 1% chance of suffering an injury severe enough to affect his draft status. The real risk is that staying in college longer might expose his game as suspect, which could be stated “I’ll declare for the draft before they realize I’m not really that good.”
I'd agree injury is a low but not zero risk.

What I disagree with is that a player is going to "develop" more with another year in college than a year in the NBA, enough to significantly affect his draft stock. Maybe there are a few cases but I would not think it's common. And yeah he might just as well demonstrate that he's already hit his ceiling.
 
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His draft prospects were high. No guarantee they would stay that way. People here always like to say the NBA drafts on potential. If he stays at Indiana, under Woodson, doesn't improve, misses another tournament and chances to showcase what he can do, estimates of his potential could drop.

Strike while the iron is hot. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Pick your cliche.
A bird in the hand. Think Oladipo
 
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No what if. He was hurt when he was drafted. That back was crooked as a politician.

Agree.


Having a chronic back problem at the ages of 17,18,19 is all you need to know about why anyone would take the guaranteed move to the NBA. Unquestionably the right call on his part.


I do wonder what role JHS's ultra vegan lifestyle, starting in his teens, plays on his back injury and overall health.

I also wonder if that vegan lifestyle stunted his ability to unlock more athleticism.

Pretty impressive to me that JHS was a mid first pick given what teams knew about both these off the court parts of his substance.
 
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Agree.


Having a chronic back problem at the ages of 17,18,19 is all you need to know about why anyone would take the guaranteed move to the NBA. Unquestionably the right call on his part.


I do wonder what role JHS's ultra vegan lifestyle, starting in his teens, plays on his back injury and overall health.

I also wonder if that vegan lifestyle stunted his ability to unlock more athleticism.

Pretty impressive to me that JHS was a mid first pick given what teams knew about both these off the court parts of his substance.
Does seem like additional risk but sure they had very good doctors that signed off.
 
No matter where you stand on the early entry debate, the injury risk factor is overblown. A player has a less than 1% chance of suffering an injury severe enough to affect his draft status. The real risk is that staying in college longer might expose his game as suspect, which could be stated “I’ll declare for the draft before they realize I’m not really that good.”
He has to play to get drafted or exposed.
 
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