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JHS #9 On Givony's NBA Draft..

I'll take that bet. I think JHS will do just fine in the NBA. Possibly MUCH better than that. I think TJD will have a long NBA career as well. I just don't see him having the career of JHS.
Ha-ha, I first wrote "I bet..." and changed it to "I think..." because I knew someone would want to put money on it. Not gonna bet against JHS, I do think he does a lot of things well (just not great). And he's got NBA size.

Who would you compare him to at the NBA level? Most current point guards are smaller, but also probably quicker.
 
Ha-ha, I first wrote "I bet..." and changed it to "I think..." because I knew someone would want to put money on it. Not gonna bet against JHS, I do think he does a lot of things well (just not great). And he's got NBA size.

Who would you compare him to at the NBA level? Most current point guards are smaller, but also probably quicker.
I didn't really mean I wanted to put money on it, just that I think your are wrong on JHS. I'm confident JHS will have a LONG and successful career in the NBA.

I'd compare him to Malcolm Brogdon. I don't think he's the shooter Brogdon is, but I do think he's a better ballhandler and will prove to be a better creator. I also think JHS will be a solid defender at the next level. I think he's had to take so much of the offensive load at IU it's hampered his defense some. He's strong and quick enough to defend at the next level, imo.
 
His money is guaranteed because of his draft position. His initial contract was 16-17 million over 4 years when he was drafted. This is the fourth year of that contract. He’s averaging about 4ppg and 2rpg for his career. He’s probably not getting that kind of money again but he may not need to. If $16 million can’t last you a loooooooooong time, you don’t deserve it.
Not disputing his decision, but you do understand taxes, right?
 
Don't get me wrong . . . I think JHS is a talent, but he has had trouble with quick guards this year.
He's 19 and thrust into a starting role. Remember how (supposedly) the pro scouts raved about him in the pro workout day? Then he goes out and has a great first year and he's being picked apart? Do you realize how much Steph Curry improved his footwork and ball handling after 3 years at Davidson? He became a pretty decent pro. Already had the shooting and range, but he improved his skills incredibly. JHS doesn't have that far to go to be a starting PG in the NBA. He's going to be fine. Starting by year 3... what would be his senior year of college.
 
Ha-ha, I first wrote "I bet..." and changed it to "I think..." because I knew someone would want to put money on it. Not gonna bet against JHS, I do think he does a lot of things well (just not great). And he's got NBA size.

Who would you compare him to at the NBA level? Most current point guards are smaller, but also probably quicker.
I'm sticking with Kidd. I think they are almost identical size-wise and neither are/were incredible run and jump athletes. Kidd had to find ways to mask his defensive liabilities. I don't think JHS will ever be the open court maestro Kidd was, but he runs a half court offense well, has a better mid-range at this point and I think is also a better shooter.
 
He's 19 and thrust into a starting role. Remember how (supposedly) the pro scouts raved about him in the pro workout day? Then he goes out and has a great first year and he's being picked apart? Do you realize how much Steph Curry improved his footwork and ball handling after 3 years at Davidson? He became a pretty decent pro. Already had the shooting and range, but he improved his skills incredibly. JHS doesn't have that far to go to be a starting PG in the NBA. He's going to be fine. Starting Ty year 3... what would be his senior year of college.
Totally agree. And one of his greatest assets is his composure. He almost never seems sped up. You rarely see that in a freshman. The kid will be good in the NBA. I have no doubt.
 
I'm sticking with Kidd. I think they are almost identical size-wise and neither are/were incredible run and jump athletes. Kidd had to find ways to mask his defensive liabilities. I don't think JHS will ever be the open court maestro Kidd was, but he runs a half court offense well, has a better mid-range at this point and I think is also a better shooter.
I like the Kidd comparison. I'm not so sure on the open court maestro part. I saw JHS make some unbelievable reads and passes early in the year that our players weren't aware enough to catch. It looks to me like he has adjusted to that and has made things a bit more vanilla. And has taken the role of a scorer because of that. That should change in the NBA.

Kidd is a good call, imo.
 
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I think TJD will make more NBA money than JHS if they both leave after this year.

I'm just not certain JHS is an NBA point guard. His assist ratios are average (well below X and Yogi's), while playing with one of the most efficient scorers in college basketball. And he doesn't attack the rim (low foul rate). He will make more in his first contract than TJD, but I'm a bit skeptical about his staying power. The Purdue game may have gotten attention, but the PSU game is closer to the defense he will face in the NBA.

TJD has skills that translate to today's NBA. He can switch to smaller players, protect the rim in half court and transition, rebound, and kick-out. By way of reference, the Wizards traded Thomas Bryant this season to keep a guy who does all the things TJD does (Daniel Gafford - highlights below from last night).

No way do I believe that will happen.
 
he could have made more and started for an NBA team instead of playing in the

How do you develop riding the bench or playing in the g-league? Lanford has not developed his game. It's the ppl around you. A lot of teams use you and then you are out of the league.
Because you get to practice with NBA players(the best in the world) every day 24/7. You get access to the best doctors and trainers in the world 24/7. Basketball becomes your focus and only focus 24/7. No classes. No practice restrictions.

Oh and he will be paid a few million to do all this.

He will develop much better in an NBA training facility than any college on earth.
 
Because you get to practice with NBA players(the best in the world) every day 24/7. You get access to the best doctors and trainers in the world 24/7. Basketball becomes your focus and only focus 24/7. No classes. No practice restrictions.

Oh and he will be paid a few million to do all this.

He will develop much better in an NBA training facility than any college on earth.


Its amazing people dont understand that
 
Agree!
It’s all about $$$! But not just 1 or 2 years.
It used to be “Lottery Pick” was the determining factor. This was ALL about guaranteed contract, for a known amount of $. This has undergone changes, even before NIL. With NIL, the gamble between “some money but no guarantee“ with lower, non-Lottery nba picks, vs decent money and stay in school with nil, has changed the options significantly.
The important determinant, and OWS is correct, the younger you start, the sooner you reach “the second contract” in the NBA. AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. And you gamble that your ”stock” might even fall, if you stay in school.
Tshiebwe was “Player of the Year” last year. There is a chance (I suspect UK made a decent NIL offer) that he made more $$ at UK than he would have made in NBA. But is he any closer to a Lottery level nba contract? IMO, no.
I personally feel TJD improved his position this year and will have improved his $$ short and long term.
After the second pu game, JHS will be gone.
Oscar was rumored to be 2 million I believe. Pretty good pay for a guy that isn’t what the league wants. TJD is better imho. Good post.
 
So is Romeo, and it's not looking good for a second contract.

Jalen is a very composed 6-6 guard. He'll get his shot and I hope he kills it. I just think he's got a lot of work to do to be impactful in the NBA. What he's got going for him is his dedication to getting better.
Jalen has something Romeo doesn’t. Attitude.
 
Mental maturity would be the only reason I would see for staying college. But Im willing to bet most 19-22 year guys don't take that into consideration. Lol.


Sure, i would agree. I was simply saying, how can people not understand you have all damn day to work on your game in the nba, compared to college.
 
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And to be clear, I don't think JHS is going to sit the bench. No I don't think he's going to be a 20+ minutes every night starter as a rookie but he will almost assuredly be a rotational player who plays double figure minutes, especially on a bad team.

As far learning another year at IU, he is potentially risking $10-20 million dollars by coming back. It's asinine to ask someone to turn down that kind of life changing money. The chances of him improving from a top 15 pick to a top 5 pick are extremely slim. He stands next to little to return for another year with the kind of draft grade he currently possesses.
Coach if anyone could do it ,it is him. What is the rush.T
 
Sure, i would agree. I was simply saying, how can people not understand you have all damn day to work on your game in the nba, compared to college.
Fundamentals are lost in todays NBA. its mostly one on one or pick-and-roll.
 
I'm not an NBA expert or evaluator of talent, but I don't understand guys not thinking he's an NBA PG. I think he's pretty amazing running the offense and is so calm and doesn't get in a hurry. Teams aren't going to spend a lottery pick if they don't agree, and it seems they are willing to, so I think they are satisfied he can too.

But, I agree with you on TJD. I think he'll get to the point where he will shoot a jumper, but he's going to score a lot less in the NBA but will still be a good player. I'm more interested to see where Edey goes. I think he too will be in the NBA for a good long while. I think everyone thinks you can't play in the NBA if you can't shoot but I think they still value bball skills although obviously not as much as if you can shoot too! I'll be shocked if TJD doesn't wind up at the back of the first round.
He needs one more year. JHS
 
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Because you get to practice with NBA players(the best in the world) every day 24/7. You get access to the best doctors and trainers in the world 24/7. Basketball becomes your focus and only focus 24/7. No classes. No practice restrictions.

Oh and he will be paid a few million to do all this.

He will develop much better in an NBA training facility than any college on earth.
I Disagree, everybody is rushing him Let him enjoy being a 19yo.
 
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His money is guaranteed because of his draft position. His initial contract was 16-17 million over 4 years when he was drafted. This is the fourth year of that contract. He’s averaging about 4ppg and 2rpg for his career. He’s probably not getting that kind of money again but he may not need to. If $16 million can’t last you a loooooooooong time, you don’t deserve it.
Sometimes its just not about the money. Let JHS enjoy being a 19yo.
 
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He is 19yo , what is the rush.
JHS‘s stock has risen due to his surprising shooting ability this year. He was not a known shooter and is shooting very well this year. Highly unlikely he could replicate that next year and his stock would fall. He was 42% over his first 18 games from 3. Over his last 12 games he’s 18% from 3.

No player should ever come back if they are a projected 1st round pick.
 
JHS‘s stock has risen due to his surprising shooting ability this year. He was not a known shooter and is shooting very well this year. Highly unlikely he could replicate that next year and his stock would fall. He was 42% over his first 18 games from 3. Over his last 12 games he’s 18% from 3.

No player should ever come back if they are a projected 1st round pick.
not true
 
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I Disagree, everybody is rushing him Let him enjoy being a 19yo.
Why do you think everyone is rushing him? Maybe the NBA is his dream. Maybe he would rather practice than go to classes. I don’t know…
He seems to be all-in with IU this year but I doubt he grew up dreaming of wearing candystripes.
I’ve seen nearly a dozen draft projections and 25th was the worst position anyone projected for him. Most were in the 12-14 range. In 2022 the 25th pick received a guaranteed $12,240,000 while the 12th pick signed for a guaranteed &$20,256,000. Hard to pass up.
I‘l be shocked if he doesn’t leave.
 
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Why do you think everyone is rushing him? Maybe the NBA is his dream. Maybe he would rather practice than go to classes. I don’t know…
He seems to be all-in with IU this year but I doubt he grew up dreaming of wearing candystripes.
I’ve seen nearly a dozen draft projections and 25th was the worst position anyone projected for him. Most were in the 12-14 range. In 2022 the 25th pick received a guaranteed $12,240,000 while the 12th pick signed for a guaranteed &$20,256,000. Hard to pass up.
I‘l be shocked if he doesn’t leave.
Exactly, he has been a good team player no complaints but not like a kid from Indiana that grew up dreaming to play here. He made me think of a NBA '' rent a player'' a team trades for on free agency coming up to make a championship run. He has reminded me of a pro player from the start.
 
What’s not true? You are telling me that if your kid was a projected 1st round pick, you would encourage him to come back to school to work on his game?
if he was 19y0 ,he may not be mentally and physically ready to play with adults. If he has a chance to work on his game enjoy being a teenager. What is the hurry.? If he needed insurance I would insure his career, What ur telling me is all about making money.
 
Why do you think everyone is rushing him? Maybe the NBA is his dream. Maybe he would rather practice than go to classes. I don’t know…
He seems to be all-in with IU this year but I doubt he grew up dreaming of wearing candystripes.
I’ve seen nearly a dozen draft projections and 25th was the worst position anyone projected for him. Most were in the 12-14 range. In 2022 the 25th pick received a guaranteed $12,240,000 while the 12th pick signed for a guaranteed &$20,256,000. Hard to pass up.
I‘l be shocked if he doesn’t leave.
I agree with you about the money but it will still be there. There are some kids who don't like school and yes then go after the money, EX Wesley of SA, there are some kids whose parents do not need the money, who have a chance to get bigger and stronger. get mentally right to be in the adult world. Let him be a teenager, the NBA will be there. Some kids are not ready for the easy money.
 
Work on his game
You're just saying what you want, not what's reality. He will get to work on his game, FAR more in the NBA with more and better specialists. No restrictions on coaching, practice time, class demands, etc... I took my son on a bball vacation back to IN one summer. Went to Bankers Life to look around and happened to catch a George Hill workout, and it was cool to watch. Just him and the HC working 1 on 1 on particular situations for an hour+. Can't even do that in college.
 
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if he was 19y0 ,he may not be mentally and physically ready to play with adults. If he has a chance to work on his game enjoy being a teenager. What is the hurry.? If he needed insurance I would insure his career, What ur telling me is all about making money.
I agree with you about the money but it will still be there. There are some kids who don't like school and yes then go after the money, EX Wesley of SA, there are some kids whose parents do not need the money, who have a chance to get bigger and stronger. get mentally right to be in the adult world. Let him be a teenager, the NBA will be there. Some kids are not ready for the easy money.
These are incredibly ignorant takes. You don’t mess with a sure thing. He doesn’t have any reason at all to stay. Risk is a really big factor. Kkott hit it on the head. Can’t even have contact with your coaches in the summer.
 
These are incredibly ignorant takes. You don’t mess with a sure thing. He doesn’t have any reason at all to stay. Risk is a really big factor. Kkott hit it on the head. Can’t even have contact with your coaches in the summer.
Absolutely correct. If his dream is to play basketball then he should be advised to go. The only way he doesn’t improve more with a year in the NBA over another year in college is if he decides not to work on his craft.

Quite honestly I would advise the same in ANY profession. If you wrap up year one of Aerospace Engineering and you were somehow offered the opportunity to receive a 4 year well paid position working with a team of the best Aerospace Engineers in the world, there is no way you should turn that down if that is your dream. You will learn 100X more during that time than staying in college.
 
Absolutely correct. If his dream is to play basketball then he should be advised to go. The only way he doesn’t improve more with a year in the NBA over another year in college is if he decides not to work on his craft.

Quite honestly I would advise the same in ANY profession. If you wrap up year one of Aerospace Engineering and you were somehow offered the opportunity to receive a 4 year well paid position working with a team of the best Aerospace Engineers in the world, there is no way you should turn that down if that is your dream. You will learn 100X more during that time than staying in college.
Plus, all the while you are doing that, at 19 and with a few million in the bank plus any endorsements, you might find a way to still have some fun while you're doing that. This is what he's wanted since he was a young kid and now that dream is a couple months away and you want him to delay it? Sure I could have my dream job, but instead I think I'll keep doing what I've been working on for the last several years to prepare for it. I'd love to have him back next year, but it makes no sense in his situation. I could buy the argument for TJD to return more easily and I don't think he should either.
 
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