dumbThe faculty does not want IU Basketball to be a winning program ever again!
dumbThe faculty does not want IU Basketball to be a winning program ever again!
I doubt he gives two shits about his legacy..I'd be amazed if he doesn't finish it out. The only way I see it happening is if he quits for "health reasons".
His legacy is in the shitter and that's a shame. He was one of my favorite players before all this.
Dumb.Not debating anything you say here but IMHO FB has taken a material bite out of it thus far. After Winter Break I think we will see things move upward again. But yes, time for a change.
Outright B10 title would probably back me off a little bit. Natty obviously changes the calculus a lot. But I’d bronze a statue of Dolson if he got rid of Woodson even if he did do either of those things. There’s much more bad evidence than a few months of good play. Crean won a B10 title. Kevin Ollie won a natty. It’s time to move on…hopefully no matter how the season ends.Yep, the only thing that would get me off the Fire Mike wagon would be a national championship and we all know that can't happen if you don't even make the damn tourney!
Well inflation took a big bite … but too many home losses eventually take their toll.So I have been doing this for awhile. Never seen anything like this. Not Creans last year, not Archies. This is much worse. Tickets are the cheapest they have been to IU basketball since Creans first year. This is nuts. I sold 4 tickets to USC, Row 8 section K ( dead center) for under face value. I can't sell bad seats in the main level for $35 bucks a ticket right now. That is insane. Apathy has hit what I hope is rock bottom. I certainly have never seen it this bad. No1 gives a F. Every fan I talked to at the ND game just didn't give a shit.
An in season move is the best option. Show everyone in the country this job is open, and let anyone on the bench finish this thing out. I have never seen a more dead man walking. EVERYONE knows it. You can't find one person in Bloomington that thinks he isn't going to get fired, including Mike Woodson. Get this shit over with.
And again, Football has taken a chunk of interest.Well inflation took a big bite … but too many home losses eventually take their toll.
I don’t think there’s any scenario you “run it back” next season with whatever this is. Let’s be honest, we all know where this season is going. The likelihood that there going to be a sudden flip of the switch now when we haven’t seen anything to indicate that it’s possible over the last 3+ years is remote at best. Bottom line, this has proven to be much more work and more difficult that Woodson imagined. He isn’t cut out for this and never was. We rolled the dice because some thought it was time for an alum. The longer he stays the worse it’s going to get.Outright B10 title would probably back me off a little bit. Natty obviously changes the calculus a lot. But I’d bronze a statue of Dolson if he got rid of Woodson even if he did do either of those things. There’s much more bad evidence than a few months of good play. Crean won a B10 title. Kevin Ollie won a natty. It’s time to move on…hopefully no matter how the season ends.
Outside a few emotional post game rants, where I might have typed “fire him now”…in reference to multiple coaches since RMK, my rational side says it’s hardly ever a good idea to get rid of a coach mid season. The gain is almost always overshadowed by the bad vibes that creates in various places in programs…including outside perceptions.I don’t think there’s any scenario you “run it back” next season with whatever this is. Let’s be honest, we all know where this season is going. The likelihood that there going to be a sudden flip of the switch now when we haven’t seen anything to indicate that it’s possible over the last 3+ years is remote at best. Bottom line, this has proven to be much more work and more difficult that Woodson imagined. He isn’t cut out for this and never was. We rolled the dice because some thought it was time for an alum. The longer he stays the worse it’s going to get.
You move on a coach in season only if you have a better interim solution which we do not. The Assistants are recruiters not coachesOutside a few emotional post game rants, where I might have typed “fire him now”…in reference to multiple coaches since RMK, my rational side says it’s hardly ever a good idea to get rid of a coach mid season. The gain is almost always overshadowed by the bad vibes that creates in various places in programs…including outside perceptions.
But if he goes on a January losing streak, this year, I think a more rational case could be made for doing it this year.
At that point, I think you’d almost have to be friends and family of Woodson to not “get it”. And in today’s portal world, there are very tangible advantages to knowing well in advance of the end of the season that you’ll have a new coach in the spring. With our massive resources, potential coaches and players would naturally have IU on their radar earlier than if Woodson is allowed to finish the season.
If we continue to look how we have so far this year, and we slog through the B10 season and miss the NCAA…I’ll understand Dolson waiting. But the noise sure is gonna get loud. Gonna be very “toxic”.
The funny thing is this past summer (in a closed setting), CMW was asked what he thought of Cig, and he laughed and said "he's a strange kat." To be fair, he backed that comment up by complimenting him on the attention he was bringing to football and his confidence he was exuding, as much as one could prior to seeing the season transpire as it did. So he wasn't dogging him and was likley saying what most of us were thinking but, it is a tad ironic looking back.I think Cignetti and the success of the football program is Woodson’s death knell. No longer do IU fans have just basketball season to look forward to. I’ve heard that NIL for football is soaring and it’s diminishing for basketball.
Most “football schools” now have basketball programs that are light years ahead of the extinct IU basketball program. The fact that people use the term “basketball school” when your basketball program is a mess with no recent success, being absolutely owned over long stretches of games by most of the conference, is almost like the punchline to a joke and insulting to schools that actually play good basketball.Indiana always has been and always will be a basketball school; I don't think football success or lack of has anything to with Woodson. the fans are just sick of this shit and can't stand watching the brand of basketball that woody brought to Bloomington.
Disagree, this was already setting in mid-season last year with anyone that was paying attention. The writing was on the wall and even if you started paying attention this year, there’s Kentucky, Michigan and Louisville that are even a more glaring emphasis of Woody’s failure than our football story.This is really an unintended consequence of the success in Football. People now have a very clear firsthand example and experience of the difference a good coach can make. The old excuses don't fly anymore.
You move on a coach in season only if you have a better interim solution which we do not. The Assistants are recruiters not coaches