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Whoever the number 1 guy is on that list you referenced...on our team, in our offense, would shoot waaayyy less 3's than he does now. Unless he's literally like Steph Curry, and can create good shots for himself whenever he wants.I understand the arguments but jeez Kopp is averaging under 10 ppg and 2 made 3's per game. He is not in the top 100 Div 1 players in made 3 pointers (Parker is near the top). It's not like Steph Curry is afraid Kopp will call him out for a game of high stakes H O R S E.
You do realize JHS is shooting right at 40% for 2 pt attempts, 32% from 3, and is averaging 8.7 ppg.Whoever the number 1 guy is on that list you referenced...on our team, in our offense, would shoot waaayyy less 3's than he does now. Unless he's literally like Steph Curry, and can create good shots for himself whenever he wants.
Our offense isn't designed to create a lot of good, open, 3 point looks. I think us continually focusing on that is wasted time and energy. We need more guys like JHS that are versatile, can create activity and score at more than just the 3 point line. Miller is actually doing some of that for us this year, he's making his 3's when those opportunities are created, but he's also making shots off the bounce.
Lmao. Go look at the top 50 teams in 3 point shooting and then tell me where those teams are ranked. Most teams today that are good don’t have to be dynamic at the three. Mid range and match ups are the rage. Most modern offenses have abandoned the live or die by the three stuff. Efficiency at all 3 levels is way more important than shooting 25-30 threes. Most good teams don’t average 9 or more makes. Most average 7-8. Defense and efficiency are the keys. You won’t see a team outside the top 25 in defensive efficiency winning it all. Who on that bench other than those starters help us on the defensive end?I understand the arguments but jeez Kopp is averaging under 10 ppg and 2 made 3's per game. He is not in the top 100 Div 1 players in made 3 pointers (Parker is near the top). It's not like Steph Curry is afraid Kopp will call him out for a game of high stakes H O R S E.
The argument originally was those freshmen starting over Kopp. That won’t help us. More shooting at the 2 and 4 will. Banks is a 3 not a 4. He won’t be competing with anyone but kopp and wtf would start Gunn over JHS or Galloway? His argument was dumb. Those guys aren’t ready defensively and they had better light it up to overcome the lack of defense. Nobody ever said that IU was overbalanced at the 3. They are however sufficient at times.My comment was about our "designated 3 pt shooter" but okay if you want to look at the team. IU as a team is 220th in the country in 3 pts made per game. In the Top 50 you have-
Baylor 10.4
Bama 10.4
IL 9.6
UConn 9.5
Creighton 9.2
Nova 9
I clearly said I understand your argument about starting Kopp. There is often a debate about the balance between winning now and building for the future and I understand the position about winning now. My only point was that Kopp is not a stellar shooter nationally and IU as a team is still below the Div 1 average for 3 pointers.
I am not opposed to a balanced offense but I don't see how anyone could take the position that IU is overbalanced to the 3.
Neither banks or Gunn are close to being ready. I like what I see but people need to get over the Kopp sh!t. He’s doing his job.I have high hopes for Gunn but he does have a lot of work to do. He gets beat on defense now. His footwork is bad and he gets turned easily.
I don't follow stats much, but not sure why you're talking about total # of made 3s... not how our offense is designed, nor what Kopp is asked/allowed to do. Most people think of "great shooter" based off percentage. You also can't compare any college shooter to Steph Curry, but Kopp would do well in a game of HORSE against most any other college shooter, including Parker Stewart.My comment was about our "designated 3 pt shooter" but okay if you want to look at the team. IU as a team is 220th in the country in 3 pts made per game. In the Top 50 you have-
Baylor 10.4
Bama 10.4
IL 9.6
UConn 9.5
Creighton 9.2
Nova 9
I clearly said I understand your argument about starting Kopp. There is often a debate about the balance between winning now and building for the future and I understand the position about winning now. My only point was that Kopp is not a stellar shooter nationally and IU as a team is still below the Div 1 average for 3 pointers.
I am not opposed to a balanced offense but I don't see how anyone could take the position that IU is overbalanced to the 3.
Now look at KU shooting last year. They play a more perimeter style because they don’t have the inside size or post play they had last year. They averaged about 8 made at 35-36%. Sound familiar? They were very efficient on 2 point shots and free throws. They were also very good defensively. Efficient scoring is way more important than three point shooting.KU's 3 pt shooting so far this year for their starters-
Wilson 23/63
Dick 27/58
McCullar 12/33
Zach Clemence is 0/9.
Nathan Childress last season was 1/1 from 3 so more to it than just 3 pt %.
If you shoot 40% from. 3 that equates to 60% from 2 on an efficiency basis on pts per attempt.Now look at KU shooting last year. They play a more perimeter style because they don’t have the inside size or post play they had last year. They averaged about 8 made at 35-36%. Sound familiar? They were very efficient on 2 point shots and free throws. They were also very good defensively. Efficient scoring is way more important than three point shooting.
I jumped in at the tail end of this conversation, but I don't understand what you are arguing. Kopp is 23-47 on the year, so better percentage wise than KU's best, and more efficient based on fewer shots. So yes, he's as good a shooter as almost anyone in the country. Obviousy you have to have a reasonable # of attempts, but Kopp is well beyond that.KU's 3 pt shooting so far this year for their starters-
Wilson 23/63
Dick 27/58
McCullar 12/33
Zach Clemence is 0/9.
Nathan Childress last season was 1/1 from 3 so more to it than just 3 pt %.
Wilson is averaging 22.1/game, Dick 15.4, and McCullar 11.8 while Kopp is at 9.9. Kopp's contribution to the offense as the designated shooter is low.I jumped in at the tail end of this conversation, but I don't understand what you are arguing. Kopp is 23-47 on the year, so better percentage wise than KU's best, and more efficient based on fewer shots. So yes, he's as good a shooter as almost anyone in the country. Obviousy you have to have a reasonable # of attempts, but Kopp is well beyond that.
Not many teams shoot 40%. Most dynamic teams are 37%. If you have 2-3 shooters in the 35-40% range is really good. People usually overestimate how many and percentage. Not many teams have designated shooters anymore. Kopp basically fell into it because the others weren’t good at it. Those guys you mentioned are from a way different era. Most never saw a shot clock. I tend to not go back that far. Guy is the exception. Of course they run a structured offense. Woody runs all modern stuff.If you shoot 40% from. 3 that equates to 60% from 2 on an efficiency basis on pts per attempt.
It really doesn't matter how you do it if you win but good 3 pt shooting can help for more wins. If you can do it with mid range jumpers or offensive rebounds then great. If you have great strength as a team in other areas than not an issue. I am spoiled by all the great shooters of the past but agree you can be a fearsome team with poor 3 pt shooting if you have enough strength in other areas to carry you through. On the other hand if you have a player like Kyle Guy at VA or Alford or Woodson or Kitchel or Wittman it takes some of the pressure off other areas.
We scored 75 pts which normally is on target for a win. We just got killed on the boards on both ends and the refs giving AZ a 28-9 advantage on fouls certainly didn't help. We have to rebound a lot better and get JHS back healthy. Ditto TJD and X's health improving. Don't count this team out.I could see what Arizona was trying to execute. Indiana had no plan. By that I mean that they don't play a deliberate style that allows them to run something. Better teams can be beaten by running an offense that gets open looks at the basket. IU didn't do it. They settled for trying to beat bigger better skill with simple post feeds, one on one dribble penetration and pick and rolls.
Dumb, yes.
These are interesting numbers.Wilson is averaging 22.1/game, Dick 15.4, and McCullar 11.8 while Kopp is at 9.9. Kopp's contribution to the offense as the designated shooter is low.
If you look at other stats Wilson is averaging 9.4 rebounds/game, Dick 4.4, and McCullar 7.2 while Kopp is at 2.0.
Wilson averages 3.2 assists/game, Dick 1.9, McCullar 2.1 and Kopp .9.
Wilson averages 1.0 steals/game, Dick 1.2, McCullar 2.4 and Kopp .5.
So sad what could they be watchingIt all goes back to recruiting. Hopefully Woodson does a better job in this area. He must get the type of players Painter is landing. Most of whom are here in state. I travel to schools across the state and there’s a lot more Boilier gear being worn by young people than Hoosier. Very disappointing.
Tells me they play a more open, perimeter oriented style than we do. Their PG is also very good, and I assume has good stats as well. But their "5" man isn't focused on, or used heavily. We run it through TJD, A LOT. X dribbles the ball a lot early in possessions.Wilson is averaging 22.1/game, Dick 15.4, and McCullar 11.8 while Kopp is at 9.9. Kopp's contribution to the offense as the designated shooter is low.
If you look at other stats Wilson is averaging 9.4 rebounds/game, Dick 4.4, and McCullar 7.2 while Kopp is at 2.0.
Wilson averages 3.2 assists/game, Dick 1.9, McCullar 2.1 and Kopp .9.
Wilson averages 1.0 steals/game, Dick 1.2, McCullar 2.4 and Kopp .5.
Just a recitation of facts. Of course you play with the team you got and this is the team we got. Your playing style should play to your strengths and minimize the impact of your weaknesses as much as possible.Tells me they play a more open, perimeter oriented style than we do. Their PG is also very good, and I assume has good stats as well. But their "5" man isn't focused on, or used heavily. We run it through TJD, A LOT. X dribbles the ball a lot early in possessions.
If any of those guys played for IU, and Woody still chose to play as we currently do, their stats wouldn't be a ton better than Kopps. Wilson would average more rebounds, I'm sure. McCullar probably would too out of his guard spot. But the ball just wouldn't be in their hands as much as it is at Kansas this year. This is just a guess, but I bet the ball is either in X or TJD's hands for over 80% of most possessions, especially with JHS out. Its much more evenly spread at Kansas.
Is your point that we need to change our style? Or that we need to play other players within our current style? Or just that if Woody played other players more like Geronimo, that our style would just naturally change with them in the game?
I agree that we need to change our style...I've said it about a million times. The Nebraska game was the best we've looked offensively (against decent competition), in a long, long time. TJD and Race being away from the basket more, facilitating more, less outward focus on them in the post, etc... For whatever reason we didn't stick with that against Arizona. We'll see if we do going forward at all.
I don't agree that other players would play better than Kopp within our current style.
And I don't agree that playing those other players would change our style. They've played, it didn't change.
He’s only told everyone that all players have the green light. If they are open they shoot it. It’s expected of them. He gets upset if they don’t. I know people will argue with me like I’m just saying it. Woodys has said it many many times.Just a recitation of facts. Of course you play with the team you got and this is the team we got. Your playing style should play to your strengths and minimize the impact of your weaknesses as much as possible.
It sometimes looks like down low there is a veritable convention of players-really congested. Coach Woodson must believe that continuing to force it in gives us the best chance of winning with these personnel. TJD doesn't like the jump shot and Race mostly looks tentative like Woodson ordered him to shoot but he has doubts about doing so.
I've been saying it since about half way through last season, when it became apparent to me what Woody's offense was...Just a recitation of facts. Of course you play with the team you got and this is the team we got. Your playing style should play to your strengths and minimize the impact of your weaknesses as much as possible.
It sometimes looks like down low there is a veritable convention of players-really congested. Coach Woodson must believe that continuing to force it in gives us the best chance of winning with these personnel. TJD doesn't like the jump shot and Race mostly looks tentative like Woodson ordered him to shoot but he has doubts about doing so.
Told ya Gunn can play he just needs mins.Xavier is not a three pont shooter i dont care if he shoots 38 percent the defense dares him to shoot just like Race.
This game told us one thing. The 2nd and 3rd string can play against Elon.Told ya Gunn can play he just needs mins.
Nobody has said anything on out “not growing”. We aren’t the ones that get overly excited about a 2nd/3rd string player. He’s going to be good for sure but geez he just played a newly minted D1team with 8 scholarship players.Gunn will grow on you dont worry..
Nobody has said anything on out “not growing”. We aren’t the ones that get overly excited about a 2nd/3rd string player. He’s going to be good for sure but geez he just played a newly minted D1team with 8 scholarship players.