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Recruiting hasn't been the problem, wins on the other hand...Archie Miller’s first three Indiana recruiting classes:
Three consecutive Indiana Mr. Basketballs for the first time in IU history (Romeo Langford, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Anthony Leal)
Top-ranked Big Ten recruit all 3 years: Romeo Langford 2018, Trayce Jackson-Davis 2019, Khristian Lander 2020
Every signee in all 3 classes a national top-150 player
The foundation has been built! Archie has a plan and has stuck to it.
26-32, 6th, 9th, 11th.Archie Miller’s first three Indiana recruiting classes:
Three consecutive Indiana Mr. Basketballs for the first time in IU history (Romeo Langford, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Anthony Leal)
Top-ranked Big Ten recruit all 3 years: Romeo Langford 2018, Trayce Jackson-Davis 2019, Khristian Lander 2020
Every signee in all 3 classes a national top-150 player
The foundation has been built! Archie has a plan and has stuck to it.
It happens to some, especially if they’re not quite ready for prime time. And, obviously, those results are acceptable to a growing segment of the increasingly apathetic fan base. Of this I am positive.Yea 26-32 will happen to a lot of coaches building a program! Thanks for the info and looking at the positives.
So what’s acceptable for you in a coaches first three seasons. Let’s keep in mind miller has lost his best players after each season. Also look at how good the big ten has been. The team is getting better be happy or cheer for someone else. You’re either not a fan or very unrealistic in your expectations.
There's no doubt Archie can recruit, but he needs to show he can develop talent. Smith, Durham, Phin, etc.; these guys have been the same players year after year without improving on their weaknesses. We will need one of them to take the next step in their development before we are ready to compete next season.
Patently false.
Durham has gotten better every single year.
Smith has gotten better every year, and if anything has proven to be a consistent 2-way player and very underrated defender.
Phinisee is the one player who hasn’t although I suspect nagging injuries have kept him from doing so. But with Lander behind him, he has no other choice but to improve or risk seek his minutes decline.
None of those guys walked into something as good as Miller. On the other hand, the lowered expectations will give him plenty of time. And I never called for him to be fired, I just want a higher achieving program than do you.We obviously know he would have fired:
-Beilein (21-33)
-Bennett (21-27)
-Wright (21-27)
-Donovan (21-27)
Thank God he’s in no position of power to make that call.
He needs to create a winning culture. So far, that’s been noticeably absent from his program.There's no doubt he can recruit, he just needs to prove he can develop players.
You are right. The statistics each year support your statements. Phinisee has also improved from frosh to soph year statistically. That rickyroe post was just ignorant. The TEAM stats have also improved EACH year. Archie is doing his job, and doing it the right way to ensure long-term success.
I wasn't talking about Durham improving from 8.3 ppg to 9.8 or Smith going from 8.2 ppg to 10.4; that's just a player's natural progression as they get older and get more experience. What I'm talking about is a player like Vic or Morgan who were able to transform their games and become breakout stars. Can you really say that Durham or Smith got that much better between their soph and jr seasons?
Mike Krzyzewski at Duke26-32, 6th, 9th, 11th.
None of those guys walked into something as good as Miller.
Morgan made his leap forward under Miller.I wasn't talking about Durham improving from 8.3 ppg to 9.8 or Smith going from 8.2 ppg to 10.4; that's just a player's natural progression as they get older and get more experience. What I'm talking about is a player like Vic or Morgan who were able to transform their games and become breakout stars. Can you really say that Durham or Smith got that much better between their soph and jr seasons?
Morgan made his leap forward under Miller.
Huh?I disagree; Morgan made his leap at the end of his soph season.
The same people swore Tom Crean was building an elite program as well. For 8 years. Let me know when we can beat Rutgers and finish top 10 in the conference.
Is K the coach at IU? Why deny the facts I’ve posted? Do you think that makes them untrue?Mike Krzyzewski at Duke
Year One 17-13 6-8
Year Two 10-17 4-10
Year Three 11-17 3-11
Total 38-47 13-29
Year Four
More excuses for losing from you. That’s what we expect from the likes of you with greatly lowered expectations. And I certainly know much more about IU basketball than do you.Lol.
Yeah - all those guys inherited teams worse than a team that lost 3 players to the NBA / Europe and tied for 10th in their conference.
And you think you know basketball?
More excuses for losing from you. That’s what we expect from the likes of you with greatly lowered expectations. And I certainly know much more about IU basketball than do you.
No excuses, just facts.More excuses for losing from you. That’s what we expect from the likes of you with greatly lowered expectations. And I certainly know much more about IU basketball than do you.
Would like to have a link to a current roster, preferably one that consistently updates soon after changes.Top ranked Big Ten team.
Would like to have a link to a current roster, preferably one that consistently updates soon after changes.
Just found an updated roster on Wikipedia which includes Landers reclassification...link below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Hoosiers_men's_basketball
Huh?
And you base that on??
Or they are building a program with their new players. Context matters.It happens to some, especially if they’re not quite ready for prime time. And, obviously, those results are acceptable to a growing segment of the increasingly apathetic fan base. Of this I am positive.
I have few, if any, opinions about Coach Miller. No cares one way or the other. However, I thought I'd throw this into the discussion. The overall record, after three years, should be less of a concern than the way the program is trending. Consider this comparison to Coach Bennett:We obviously know he would have fired:
-Beilein (21-33)
-Bennett (21-27)
-Wright (21-27)
-Donovan (21-27)
Thank God he’s in no position of power to make that call.
I have few, if any, opinions about Coach Miller. No cares one way or the other. However, I thought I'd throw this into the discussion. The overall record, after three years, should be less of a concern than the way the program is trending. Consider this comparison to Coach Bennett:
Year #1 15 - 16 (5 - 11)
Year #2 16 - 15 (7 - 9)
Year #3 20 - 12 (9 - 7)
Miller:
Year #1 16 - 15 (9 - 9)
Year #2 19 - 16 (8 - 12)
Year #3 20 - 12 (9 - 11)
Also, it is worth noting that Coach Bennett had roster issues during this period. By the end of his first season, a number of Leitao's players had either been dismissed or left the team, including the leading scorer (Sylvan Landesberg was dismissed by Bennett for cutting classes.) Evidently, more than a few were uninterested in playing in the new schemes. Also, by the end of his third semester at UVa, 4 of the six recruits in his first class, as well as the top recruit in Leitao's last class, had transferred out of the program. These included three Top 100 recruits. Just some food for thought.
For every Bennett there are 20 coaches who failed and were fired.I have few, if any, opinions about Coach Miller. No cares one way or the other. However, I thought I'd throw this into the discussion. The overall record, after three years, should be less of a concern than the way the program is trending. Consider this comparison to Coach Bennett:
Year #1 15 - 16 (5 - 11)
Year #2 16 - 15 (7 - 9)
Year #3 20 - 12 (9 - 7)
Miller:
Year #1 16 - 15 (9 - 9)
Year #2 19 - 16 (8 - 12)
Year #3 20 - 12 (9 - 11)
Also, it is worth noting that Coach Bennett had roster issues during this period. By the end of his first season, a number of Leitao's players had either been dismissed or left the team, including the leading scorer (Sylvan Landesberg was dismissed by Bennett for cutting classes.) Evidently, more than a few were uninterested in playing in the new schemes. Also, by the end of his third semester at UVa, 4 of the six recruits in his first class, as well as the top recruit in Leitao's last class, had transferred out of the program. These included three Top 100 recruits. Just some food for thought.
For every Bennett there are 20 coaches who failed and were fired.
I want to avoid another prolonged 9 year fiasco like we did with our last failed coach. It needs to happen next year and move on.And surely if Archie fails, he'll meet the same fate. That doesn't negate the fact that Tony Bennett (among other HoF caliber coaches) took a few years before they hit the ground running.
move on.