Where did it say #breakthrough was about “this” season only ? I must have missed that proclamation. Also CKW used #win today (if I’m not mistaken) and I don’t remember hearing it after year 1.
It's Official: IU did not beat a team with a winning record in 2017
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Does anyone in the media ever ask Glass why we have the lowest paid coaching staff in the Big Ten? Do they ask why we are rebuilding in both revenue producing sports eight years into his tenure here? Or is Glass a tyrant who will cut off access to media outlets that question him?
It was a disappointing season. They had the schedule and talent to have a winning season. What is most discouraging is watching Purdue go from awful to kicking our butts in one year under Brohm.
Looking at it with the glass half full, it was Allen’s first year as a college coach. Hopefully, he improves.
The biggest problem(s) are the complete homers like yourself. The typical smokescreens and positive spin you portray IU to be, just won't cut it for the real knowledgeable sports fans. Not to mention, the poster assassins such as IU Scott, CS2, and a few others who get certain posters banned for no real reasons other than they don't agree with others.... or don't have the common sense to "ignore".
I see you haven't taken your meds yet. Still irrational and moody. I think that's some sort of disorder.
Really kind of amazing how the blindly loyal defenders of the program come out in force if anyone expresses a thought different than their own. When they make excuse after excuse for losing and claim that it's just fine, you have to shake your head in wonder.
Your right I haven't created multiple user names yet today for my multiple personality blog disorder like you. Let me get right on that.
We did put them on ignore but you can still see the responses to that ignore poster. It clutters the board so they still ruin the board for people. If you don't like then start your own anti IU board and leave this board for actual IU fans. It is obvious the constant bashing you and other posters have done over the years has really turned the program around. You act like that if the fans bash the program it will just magically change things and lead us to the Rose Bowl. I have seen the same thing for over 40 years and IU football has never been a consistent winner.
What does Wilson have to do with this? You realize there are other options for coach besides just Wilson or Allen don’t you? The worst part about the Allen experiment was not the fact that Wilson was fired, it’s that Allen was hired. Without even a search.
Nobody deserves to be banned for expressing their views. From what I've seen, it has been mostly due to disliking that certain poster for whatever reason(s). That in itself, is ridiculous and the mods should be ashamed of themselves for caving in to the whiny, girly, communists who oppress freedom of speech.
Let me clear a few things up for you. Your definition of cluttering the board, is actually absurd. As long as it is on topic, then all is fair game. Nobody is bashing IU. We all want IU to win. However, the powers-that-be at IU, have clearly shown a lack of desire, or understanding what it takes to be serious about winning. They deserve to be questioned, because nearly a decade in Glass's tenure, we are floundering in both football and basketball. This is unacceptable. Being critical of IU is not being hypocritical. It needs addressed because the results speak volumes.
So....because 2 new coaches are not killing it right out of the gate you are ready to move on from both Allen and Archie? If we miss a bowl next year or a post season tourney (NCAA or NIT) in Archie's 2nd year, we can maybe fire up this discussion again.
- You've stated that the powers that be "clearly have shown a lack of desire or understanding what it takes to be serious about winning."
Please give the list here for the board that demonstrates precisely the evidence (for both football and basketball) to back your theory on "intentions to win."
I don’t know if you’re being disingenuous or misread his post, but he stated over the past decade and your first couple of sentences focus on Allen and Archie. I assume most of his frustratration stems from the failures of the past 9 years. Archie and Allen both deserve at least 4 years to see if they are the guys. I really hope they are.
Part of a list for you. Over the past decade IU has failed to have one winning season in football (only team in the big ten who hasn’t had one) and hasn’t gotten past the SW 16 in basketball. Not to mention IU is about to miss the NCAA tourney for 6th time in 10 years after this season. I don’t know if the powers of be lack the desire or if it’s a lack of skill set, but the facts are IU has been pathetic at football and basketball over the past decade.
My question for you is how does this not make you question them?
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The Hoosiers have been a competitive football team for the past 5 years. One of the worst things that ever happened to the basketball program was "the shot" at the end of the Kentucky game. You can blame Glass for extending Crean's contract but you can't blame him for firing Crean and replacing him with Miller. I think this is the most stable the coaching staff of both programs has been in at least the last decade.
Who exactly is "them?" The past decade covers 2007 -2017. In that time period we've had 2 different athletic directors, are on our 3rd basketball coach and 3rd football coach.
If you want to throw around some questions for "them," why don't you get a hold of Clarence Doninger, McNeely, or Ralph Floyd (who everybody loves but was Knight's puppet and didn't exactly pump any resources into football). Ralph won't say a peep at this point.
The implication by all you guys is that this is all on Fred Glass. Do you guys not realize this current football situation was built over 4-5 different athletic directors?
It has been an epic poopshow for 25 years. Every AD has been subpar. We have to look at the culture set by the BOT and President.
As for Glass, our current predicament is entirely his own doing. He gave Crean the contract extension and kept him around for too long. Glass hired Wilson, fired him, then hired an unproven yes man on the cheap. Glass hired Terri Moren who ran the women’s basketball program into the ground after it was resuscitated by Curt Miller.
As for Glass, our current predicament is entirely his own doing. He gave Crean the contract extension and kept him around for too long. Glass hired Wilson, fired him, then hired an unproven yes man on the cheap. Glass hired Terri Moren who ran the women’s basketball program into the ground after it was resuscitated by Curt Miller.
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I guess I should have waited until tomorrow to post my previous post. Then technically Fred Glass would have been the A.D. each of the years of the past decade.
Since, you didn’t answer my question and to avoid getting caught up in semantics, I bid you a Happy New Year.
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Complete debacle and disaster? Yikes.
Look, Wilson left TA with a completely unacceptable gap in the OL, QB, and RB. That is nearly insurmountable.
They lost two games they should have won, I get it.
Recruiting was As good or better than recent standards.
They missed a bowl game by two plays. I will withhold judgement until next year.
We returned 16 starters from a team that went to back to back bowl games. That’s A LOT of starters to return. Including the same QB that Wilson won with. I just don’t want to delay the inevitable.
I’m not an AD or a search firm so I don’t spend my days researching good young coaches, but it would be someone under 50 who has a good track record at a mid major school. Memphis, Toledo, and several other mid majors have good young coaches. If I was an AD I would know every name but I’m not. IU deserves an AD who knows what he’s doing and can get it done.
Wilson won 1 more game than Allen, and he had a much better OL to work with, you have no idea what is “inevitable”, none.
...Including two offensive linemen who are playing on Sundays.
The difference between 5-7 and 6-6 is Purdue. They were laughingstocks during the CKW era, but pretty good now.
The other poster's "16 returning starters" stat doesn't have a whole lot of meaning anymore. We were decimated by injuries, including some starters who were lost for the season. Here's the injury list, from memory (and I'm sure there's one or two I've forgotten): Westbrook, Harris, Hale, Knight, Stepaniak, Ellison, Majette, Riggins, Natee, Gest, Thomas, Ramsey, Ball, Hoff, Fant, Simmons and Patrick. This is mind-boggling. I don't know if anyone keeps stats on the number of injured players, and injuries are obviously part of the game, but my gut tells me it's highly unlikely that any other conference team was hit by injuries like we were.
Explain your theory as it applies to IU basketball? We hired a young, outstanding coach after a thorough, detailed search and his team looks as bad as any in the last 30 years. Not only that but his team looks like it doesn't care. Those aren't his kids, just like these weren't Allen's recruits. I call total bunk on your goofy theories.
It comes down to who is making the hiring decision. Fred Glass clearly doesn’t know what the hell he is doing.
Hiring a good coach isn’t easy. I never said it was. Even with a search. But you have to do everything possible when the decision is as big as hiring a new football coach. Are you seriously arguing that all the National searches most schools do are pointless?
And Archie’s resume is in a different category from Allen’s. No reasonable person would compare the two.
The basketball team lost its three top players. The differences are obvious.
I like both IU coaches. Really do, despite their different paths to becoming a head coach but your constant theme has been that success comes only from conducting a thorough search and hiring a guy who was formerly a head coach. I merely pointed out that we are currently in the midst of a an IU basketball season with an epic lack of effort, hustle and care from a group that had good Rivals resumes. So, I was really surprised that I didn't see you post one of your "it's inevitable" ramblings about the b-ball coach as well.
It's one thing to lose games while giving effort but losing games while appearing to mail it in?
Your thoughts on that?
And have a roster full of kids that all had high level offers and 4 star rankings. The differences are obvious.
It was noted last night that UM did not beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season.
It was literally just a question not an indictment, so please don't get defensive about it. I don't know much about up and coming coaches and assumed you might have had one in mind that you'd have liked to see at IU. Obviously the AD should have ideas of coaches they'd like to hire, aka a short list, but I don't know who IU considered before hiring Allen.
And there goes Jones, rushing for another first down... stupid offense... we have a great defense... best yet... wish the offense could tackle... stupid offense!
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