And you won’t vote for the Republican nominee against a progressive. You’re an independent. Is what it is. So am I
It was a coup.
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I expected more of you. I’m a Republican. Probably been one longer than most here. I’ve voted for a Republican for President from 1984 until 2016. Probably voted for more Republicans total than most Republicans on the WC. Far more than the Johnny Come Lately Republicans that are a significant portion of the MAGA crowd. I bet I’ve donated more times to Republican candidates than most. Dbm proudly posted if it wasn’t Trump as the nominee that he and other MAGAs would stay home. Yet the Trump only crowd here think they’re Republican and I’m not. They’re hilarious.
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Can’t wait to see who she picks for VP. Then the pubs can tell how that person is the most radical left VP candidate ever.
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That means nothing. Zero. Do you think moderate Dems are going to sit home and not vote for Harris bc she’s a far left progressive? Of course not. We see them on here now touting Harris. The party has moved away from centrist Dems to progressives but they will still vote Dem. Evolution devolution it doesn’t matter how you characterize it. This isn’t 1984. Your party affiliation is predicated on inertia. The party has moved just like the Dems. Haley and the rest got blown out and it’s not the vapid cult nonsense as much as it is a swing in constituency and what trump talks about: bringing manufacturing back, not subsidizing Europe or anyone else or being the cop to the world, pumping oil, closing the border, etc. that’s what this election is about and that is the Republican Party today. So you hold your nose like centrist Dems do and vote for their nominee or you don’t. But if you don’t you are an independent. And maybe you are. So what. But make no mistake if Harris wins its bc of people like you. You left the party. The party didn’t leave you
There are two groups which in my view are obsessed with labels.
First, journalists and those of us who spend time on social media. "Left" and "right" are convenient short hand words. Convenient in that you don't have to go into detail on where a person stands on various issues in detail.
Secondly depending on your personal political ideology and party affiliation many us focus on depicting either the "left" or "right" unflatteringly. Once this is accomplished, all that is remaining is to label someone as being extremely left or right.
Finally other labels which go along with left and right include authoritarian, ant-demoratic, progressive, socialistic, communistic, dictatorial...to name a few.
It was a bloodless coup. When they cut off the funding they cut off his balls, and he knew it. He was forced into it. They didn't have to threaten him with other measures, but they would have if necessary.
Were so phucked. SMH, just completely lost. All of it is true.
Aloha, do you live in a Congressional District where it is actually competitive between parties as all too many are decided in the primaries ?
I’m a Republican and it’s not possible for anyone here to throw me out. I will not be a MAGA Republican. I will not be loyal to a man I think is the most unfit to ever run for the office. I will tolerate a Democrat in that office for four more years to purge the GOP. I will not vote for Trump. Period. MAGAs need to accept the fact and move on and stow the butthurt. Take comfort in my vote won’t matter anyway. Trump is going to win Ohio. If by some miracle he doesn’t it’s most likely done something even more outrageous than many MAGAs can stand.
I’m moving on. People can stop whining about my vote at this point. I’m writing in a name. Deal with it, folks.
"And I haven't been to Europe".........one of the most unintentionally hilarious responses ever.
Trump has been the candidate in 2016, 2020, 2024. There is no maga no this no that. This is the Republican Party. He’s the 3 time nominee. Vance as well. For better or worse. The McCain bush types aren’t coming back
Then don’t attempt to change the FACT that no one here can make sense of your stated position. You are going to do what you do, and that fine.
But what you say you are going to (and have done) is totally perpendicular to what you say your philosophy is. Again, you present totally misunderstand-able. Like a women explaining why driving for 40 miles on a flat tire makes sense.
I will. I don’t want a progressive agenda
I think the point is the Republican Party is not going back to what it was. Not any time soon. There are parts about the new party that make me uncomfortable. Protectionism, aversion to entitlement reform, etc. but I still find it far superior to the alternative.
That's the problem with people, the left will take anything that Trump says literally and believe it. When Obama an Harris say something then they twist themselves in pretzels to fit they said to mean something totally different than what was stated. I am going to fundamentally change the country.
Looking at your responses, you may be the last thing that make aloha vote for Comala
My position couldn’t be more clear. Don’t complicate it.
And don’t say “no one.” That’s one of those nonsense things people say, like “everyone knows,” “everyone believes,” “no one cares,” etc. If those things were true, we’d all be wearing the same uniform and walk the streets drooling because we’d all be drooling idiots.
That reminded me of the 'my family always celebrated Kwanzaa when I was growing up" lie, which in turn reminded me of the "What is it you want, Kamala......'Freedom' " lie. No "I was arrested with Mandela" lie, but still pretty good.
Those are two things that are in my list of disturbing things about MAGA Republicans too. I haven’t given up yet, but it could happen.
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And right does that to the extreme. Trump could literally say he is going to be a dictator and people won't have to vote anymore and the right says he is just joking
It would be hard for me to find a political issue I’m more worried about than avoiding a debt spiral (if we aren’t already in one).
If Harris came out and said balancing the budget and restructuring entitlements so they are sustainable for future generations was her chief priority, I’d probably vote for her.
But that won’t happen. They are all MMT adherents even if they can’t explain MMT if given an hour.
It's unfortunate that he enjoys trolling idiots like you, because idiots make up the biggest voting block. It may cost him the election.
Poll… everyone that understands how Aloha’s stance is understandable to his political persuasion. Not if he is right or wrong, but if what he states as the explanation makes understandable sense, while beating the conservative war drum.
Sow of hands roll call.
A fool calling me fool means nothing. It’s very unimpressive. Keep your butthurt feelings to yourself.
That’s also on my wish list for both parties - fiscal responsibility. Neither of the candidates is fiscally responsible so that’s a wash. If Republicans would adhere to traditional conservative fiscal conservative and actually do something about it that would be awesome. I vote for Republicans for Congress hoping they’ll do something about it or at least slow the fiscal insanity.
For congress, the forward looking position on the debt and interest payments appears to be “I’d like to see you come and collect”. That is absolute insanity.
The fact that they haven’t been forthright on fiscal restraint is, to me, the #2 reason they lost voter confidence and paved the way for populism.
The #1 reason is obviously illegal immigration. They’ve been really bad at both of them. And people noticed.
It is certainly very clear, in a "cutting off the nose to spite the face" or "tossing out the baby with the bathwater" type of clear.
Simply put, if you took every bit of Trump's policy positions and tossed it onto a generic throwback Republican NPC candidate, you would vote for that candidate. I agree with your claim that you are a Republican, it's just you (and other Never Trumpers like you) aren't a very practical one. And I say this as someone who loathes Trump the human being, as somebody who was a member of the Young Democrats as a teen, a Reagan Republican as a young to middle aged man, and a vindictive yet pragmatic libertarian leaning conservative as I entered the third trimester of my life.
You took the opportunity to thumb your nose at Trump and the party in 2016 and 2020 (as did I 2016). But I say the time for dillydallying is over. If there was ever a time to put aside the disdain of the unsavory candidate in favor of policy it would be now. The Biden Administration has started us down a rabbit hole that a Harris Administration will likely bury us in.
I couldn't agree more. Most dems would probably vote for a cardboard box if it would keep Trump, Project 2025, and the plan to replace Thomas/Alito with younger versions of themselves and extend this MAGA minority "supermajority on SCOTUS" for generations. It's certainly how I feel, even though it's highly unlikely I'd have to experience the world Trump represents. I just think Americans deserve better...
As to people whining about a coup (many of whom were fine with Jan 6) the last thing I'm going to do is cede the moral high ground to representatives of a party who are perfectly willing to nominate and vote for a twice impeached, 4x indicted liar, thief conman and convicted felon. To date, that is the source of most of the complaints. And for anyone who voted for Biden in the Dem Primaries and apparently didn't know they were voting to once again place KH a heartbeat away from the Presidency, they are free to vote for whomever they choose.
I'm going to say that over $250 million in grassroots contributions since Sun and 160,000 volunteers rushing to get involved shows that she has the overwhelming support of grassroots Dems. Biden's election was always going to be difficult because for some reason people were largely willing to cede the age/mental stability issue to Trump.
Not me, I know he's as looney as a fruitcake, but people have short memories of how pathetic it was to live under Trump. So a lot of "Biden voters" weren't going to be inspired to go out and work for, much less vote for and that's why it looked like Trump was more popular. I actually think KH will win handily because I'd say there are a lot of negatives heading Trump's way. In the end I just think people aren't going to vote for a convicted felon- maybe I'm wrong...
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