It’s hard to spin the “You won’t have to vote in 4 years” comment

[ribbont]

I’m old. No offense

I guess you’ll think that way until it’s no longer the case. Problem is, by then it will be too late.

It's way past the case. The Pubs are spineless and have done nothing since 94 except bitch at each other and let pedos like Gaetz run things. Most talk a good game but do nothing.

Trump handed them a silver platter in 2016 with a win and they all went on a power trip, tried to rule without compromise, and f*ck the Pub voters that elected them.

 

[Bowlmania]

It's way past the case. The Pubs are spineless and have done nothing since 94 except bitch at each other and let pedos like Gaetz run things. Most talk a good game but do nothing.

Trump handed them a silver platter in 2016 with a win and they all went on a power trip, tried to rule without compromise, and f*ck the Pub voters that elected them.

I think the bearers of the silver platter in 2016 were Hillary (very flawed candidate) and Comey (reopening the FBI investigation into her emails).

Pubs scored the relatively rare trifecta (Oval Office, house, senate) in 2016 and squandered it. It’s been nothing but key losses for them ever since. That trend will continue in November. Just an utter shitshow under The Con.

 

[Mark Milton]

I think the bearers of the silver platter in 2016 were Hillary (very flawed candidate) and Comey (reopening the FBI investigation into her emails).

Pubs scored the relatively rare trifecta (Oval Office, house, senate) in 2016 and squandered it. It’s been nothing but key losses for them ever since. That trend will continue in November. Just an utter shitshow under The Con.

For me, Hilary was much more than just a flawed candidate, she was a narcissist and a con. There was far more in common between Trump and Hillary than Hillary would care to admit. She had all the charm of John Wayne Gacy. 2016 was a depressing election that set the stage for everything else that we've seen.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

Or a lib in Indiana...

or Florida

 

[Ohio Guy]

For me, Hilary was much more than just a flawed candidate, she was a narcissist and a con. There was far more in common between Trump and Hillary than Hillary would care to admit. She had all the charm of John Wayne Gacy. 2016 was a depressing election that set the stage for everything else that we've seen.

In hindsight, I think you're spot on. I voted for Hillary and was pretty surprised in real time that she didn't win, but the more I've heard from her the more I agree with your assessment. I do think she would have cleared the low bar of being a better president than Trump, but that's not saying much.

 

[Mark Milton]

In hindsight, I think you're spot on. I voted for Hillary and was pretty surprised in real time that she didn't win, but the more I've heard from her the more I agree with your assessment. I do think she would have cleared the low bar of being a better president than Trump, but that's not saying much.

I couldn't bring myself to vote for her or for Donald Trump. In hindsight, probably should have voted for the devil we do know, versus the devil we didn't know. It does, however, say a lot to the quality of candidates running in 2016. Dems had Clinton and Bernie Sanders as the main two. I think Bernie dropped out at the convention. I think Bernie is probably a pretty good guy, but not a huge fan of his politics as a whole. Terrible lot to choose from.

Republicans had Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Bush, Christie, Rand Paul and a few others. Maybe Kasich was too? Can't remember. Not an awe inspiring group either.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I couldn't bring myself to vote for her or for Donald Trump. In hindsight, probably should have voted for the devil we do know, versus the devil we didn't know. It does, however, say a lot to the quality of candidates running in 2016. Dems had Clinton and Bernie Sanders as the main two. I think Bernie dropped out at the convention. I think Bernie is probably a pretty good guy, but not a huge fan of his politics as a whole. Terrible lot to choose from.

Republicans had Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Bush, Christie, Rand Paul and a few others. Maybe Kasich was too? Can't remember. Not an awe inspiring group either.

Kasich was in that race. I've told people this before, but I wasn't excited about voting for Biden and in some alternate universe where this upcoming election was between Kasich and Biden, I would have seriously considered voting for him. I didn't vote for him for Governor, but I didn't hate what he accomplished in Ohio during his two terms.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

For me, Hilary was much more than just a flawed candidate, she was a narcissist and a con. There was far more in common between Trump and Hillary than Hillary would care to admit. She had all the charm of John Wayne Gacy. 2016 was a depressing election that set the stage for everything else that we've seen.

Hillary is about as likeable as a rock but outside of being a narcissist there really is no comparison between her and Trump when it comes to morals/scandals. The email server scandal was the worst thing she got caught doing and that wouldn't even be a blip on Trump's list.

She was a bad candidate no doubt but that should have been a walk in the park given who she was running against. If it wasn't for Comey's on again off again investigation and her deplorables comment, she probably would have pulled it off.

 

[Mark Milton]

Hillary is about as likeable as a rock but outside of being a narcissist there really is no comparison between her and Trump when it comes to morals/scandals. The email server scandal was the worst thing she got caught doing and that wouldn't even be a blip on Trump's list.

She was a bad candidate no doubt but that should have been a walk in the park given who she was running against. If it wasn't for Comey's on again off again investigation and her deplorables comment, she probably would have pulled it off.

I'm sorry, Hillary Clinton had no morals and was every bit the ego maniac Trump was and is, but far more intelligent and devious. She and Bill ran out of people to lie to.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I'm sorry, Hillary Clinton had no morals and was every bit the ego maniac Trump was and is, but far more intelligent and devious. She and Bill ran out of people to lie to.

Hillary paid off prostitutes, cheated, buried a relative on her property for a tax cut, bragged of grabbing men by their dicks, started up Clinton University to rip people off, stole from a charity, paid off porn star to keep him quiet, sold an altered Bible to raise money, refused to return classified documents, set up fake electors/pressure offices/incite mob to overthrow an election, etc

Really making that comparison? I'm not saying she's a saint but there is a large chasm between the 2 in the morality department.

 

[Mark Milton]

Hillary paid off prostitutes, cheated, buried a relative on her property for a tax cut, bragged of grabbing men by their dicks, started up Clinton University to rip people off, stole from a charity, paid off porn star to keep him quiet, sold an altered Bible to raise money, refused to return classified documents, set up fake electors/pressure offices/incite mob to overthrow an election, etc

Really making that comparison? I'm not saying she's a saint but there is a large chasm between the 2 in the morality department.

You said listed the following:

1. Hillary paid off prostitutes. No, but she damn sure tried to cover up evidence of her husband's out of control crank;
2. Hillary cheated. There is a long list of cheats she has been involved with. See e.g. Whitewater.
3. Hillary buried a relative on her property for a tax cut. I suppose she probably didn't do that, but given the opportunity to do so, I bet she would.
4. Bragged of grabbing men by their dicks. Well Hillary had the biggest crank in Washington DC until @mcmurtry66 got to town, but she certainly did her best to keep the allegations against her husband under wraps.
5. Started up Clinton University. Well there's that pesky Clinton foundation thing.
6. Refused to return classified documents. She may or may not have, but she certainly kept emails on her private server and then deleted them like a dummy gleefully chuckling as her cankles shivered "they couldn't possibly get access to these deleted emails".

I mean we could go on and on about the depth of depravity of Hillary and Trump, but she's a terrible person who should have never been considered for the presidency

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

You said listed the following:

1. Hillary paid off prostitutes. No, but she damn sure tried to cover up evidence of her husband's out of control crank;
2. Hillary cheated. There is a long list of cheats she has been involved with. See e.g. Whitewater.
3. Hillary buried a relative on her property for a tax cut. I suppose she probably didn't do that, but given the opportunity to do so, I bet she would.
4. Bragged of grabbing men by their dicks. Well Hillary had the biggest crank in Washington DC until @mcmurtry66 got to town, but she certainly did her best to keep the allegations against her husband under wraps.
5. Started up Clinton University. Well there's that pesky Clinton foundation thing.
6. Refused to return classified documents. She may or may not have, but she certainly kept emails on her private server and then deleted them like a dummy gleefully chuckling as her cankles shivered "they couldn't possibly get access to these deleted emails".

I mean we could go on and on about the depth of depravity of Hillary and Trump, but she's a terrible person who should have never been considered for the presidency

1) that's a stretch of a comparison. Bill's dirty deeds are his

2) I meant cheating on her husband

3) You betting she would do something doesn't count. She did or she didn't

4) You're repeating number 1 and that was Bill's dirty deed.

5) And Clinton foundation was to cheat students or anyone out of money?

6) She cooperated with feds.

Your comparisons are weak.

 

[Mark Milton]

1) that's a stretch of a comparison. Bill's dirty deeds are his

2) I meant cheating on her husband

3) You betting she would do something doesn't count. She did or she didn't

4) You're repeating number 1 and that was Bill's dirty deed.

5) And Clinton foundation was to cheat students or anyone out of money?

6) She cooperated with feds.

Your comparisons are weak.

I don't think so. A lie is a lie is a lie.

A cover-up. Attempted destruction of evidence. Whitewater. Rose law firm. Suppressing evidence.

And by the way, it would be impossible for her to cheat on husband because there would be no willing volunteers to conduct the deed. At least no one who is alive or hasn't been drugged...

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I don't think so. A lie is a lie is a lie.

A cover-up. Attempted destruction of evidence. Whitewater. Rose law firm. Suppressing evidence.

And by the way, it would be impossible for her to cheat on husband because there would be no willing volunteers to conduct the deed. At least no one who is alive or hasn't been drugged...

I'll give you A for effort in trying to make the comparison...even though you couldn't really stick with facts in evidence and entered your opinion on what she would do.

 

[ribbont]

I think the bearers of the silver platter in 2016 were Hillary (very flawed candidate) and Comey (reopening the FBI investigation into her emails).

Pubs scored the relatively rare trifecta (Oval Office, house, senate) in 2016 and squandered it. It’s been nothing but key losses for them ever since. That trend will continue in November. Just an utter shitshow under The

However Trump got there still doesn't take away the fact he and the Pubs squandered the opportunity.

And, to me, Trump did so many positive things from the border, tax cuts, inner city funding, economic growth, wage growth, minority job growth, SCOTUS, HBCU funding, Abraham accords, oil production and more.

But his failures to repeal Obamacare, get infrastructure, fix Medicare and social security, and dent the budget deficit or debt, really irritated me. Not to mention his constant "look at me" attitude.

But Biden/Harris took horrible to a new level with their policies. This inflation tax partly caused by their spending policies have killed the middle class. The border headed up by our border czar is a disaster with people paying with their lives. I could go on.

If Trump was not the candidate, the Pubs would win this easily with 55% of the vote. Haley would have mopped the floor with Harris.

But the Pubs have Trump who dems hate more than Fidel, Pol Pot, and Hitler combined. So, it'll be a toss up between a successful, yet morally repugnant Trump and an incompetent moron in Harris.

 

[Mark Milton]

I'll give you A for effort in trying to make the comparison...even though you couldn't really stick with facts in evidence and entered your opinion on what she would do.

There were plenty of facts. I can't help your myopia if you pretend they don't exist. After deleting her emails, the best you could come up with was "she cooperated". Of course she did, she had already deleted her emails. That's a big deal.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

There were plenty of facts. I can't help your myopia if you pretend they don't exist. After deleting her emails, the best you could come up with was "she cooperated". Of course she did, she had already deleted her emails. That's a big deal.

More than likely she deleted emails that were private in nature and she didn't want being made public. Also, some of the classified info in the emails were classified after the fact. Hard to blame Hillary if something wasn't classified when it was sent.

Emails containing classified info would obviously not be the only copy of said classified info. So removal/deletion of classified info doesn't really change anything and the fact there was classified info in a very small fraction of the emails wasn't hidden. The worry would be more about keeping it secure from people not allowed to see it...not whether or not hillary deleted a few. That's nothing but playing politics with the situation.

And yes, the FBI did get access to the server afterwards and had no issue with whatever it was that was deleted. Didn't even have to take her to court over it. And she didn't have to lie about having more documents.

Your comparisons are weak.

 

[Mark Milton]

Your comparisons are weak.

Feels like you are suffering from some kind of performance anxiety-projecting your "weakness" onto others. To be sure, you absolutely have become a prisoner of your opinions and ideology. It is no different than arguing with an ultra maga guy or gal--they won't change their mind or see things differently. I get it, it is very hard to put the genie back into the bottle, but Trump and Clinton are both cut from the same cloth. You have chosen to ignore specific examples of bad behavior, marginalize such bad behavior and resort to "but she ain't never buried a dead body to collect a tax deduction."

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Feels like you are suffering from some kind of performance anxiety-projecting your "weakness" onto others. To be sure, you absolutely have become a prisoner of your opinions and ideology. It is no different than arguing with an ultra maga guy or gal--they won't change their mind or see things differently. I get it, it is very hard to put the genie back into the bottle, but Trump and Clinton are both cut from the same cloth. You have chosen to ignore specific examples of bad behavior, marginalize such bad behavior and resort to "but she ain't never buried a dead body to collect a tax deduction."

lol, so need to resort to insults because you are stretching to make a comparison that isn't there.

Do you know what is like MAGA? Pretending everything equals everything and then using apples to oranges comparisons as some kind of proof.

weak

 

[mcmurtry66]

However Trump got there still doesn't take away the fact he and the Pubs squandered the opportunity.

And, to me, Trump did so many positive things from the border, tax cuts, inner city funding, economic growth, wage growth, minority job growth, SCOTUS, HBCU funding, Abraham accords, oil production and more.

But his failures to repeal Obamacare, get infrastructure, fix Medicare and social security, and dent the budget deficit or debt, really irritated me. Not to mention his constant "look at me" attitude.

But Biden/Harris took horrible to a new level with their policies. This inflation tax partly caused by their spending policies have killed the middle class. The border headed up by our border czar is a disaster with people paying with their lives. I could go on.

If Trump was not the candidate, the Pubs would win this easily with 55% of the vote. Haley would have mopped the floor with Harris.

But the Pubs have Trump who dems hate more than Fidel, Pol Pot, and Hitler combined. So, it'll be a toss up between a successful, yet morally repugnant Trump and an incompetent moron in Harris.

Perfect

 

[mcmurtry66]

Feels like you are suffering from some kind of performance anxiety-projecting your "weakness" onto others. To be sure, you absolutely have become a prisoner of your opinions and ideology. It is no different than arguing with an ultra maga guy or gal--they won't change their mind or see things differently. I get it, it is very hard to put the genie back into the bottle, but Trump and Clinton are both cut from the same cloth. You have chosen to ignore specific examples of bad behavior, marginalize such bad behavior and resort to "but she ain't never buried a dead body to collect a tax deduction."

You’re arguing with a tree stump. Unless you intend to interject insults best to move on

 

[Mark Milton]

You’re arguing with a tree stump. Unless you intend to interject insults best to move on

That is what I'm thinking. Time to move on and focus on trying to remember in vivid detail the dream and I had where I was transported back in time and seduced by Joyce Dewitt. Totally screwed up dream

 

[mcmurtry66]

That is what I'm thinking. Time to move on and focus on trying to remember in vivid detail the dream and I had where I was transported back in time and seduced by Joyce Dewitt. Totally screwed up dream

Was she holding a bloody knife over you??? So hot!!!

 

[Mark Milton]

Was she holding a blood knife over you??? So hot!!!

Hahahaha no. Weird stuff. Half expected Mr Roper or Mr Furley to barge in....

 

[DrHoops]

Harris is getting the nomination without having any democratic votes. Is that a threat to democracy?

Huh? She has the delegates she needs to win the Dem nomination now.

 

[DrHoops]

That’s likely to happen for border policies and drilling rights on Federal land, and off shore.

The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. More than the Saudis, more than Russia, more than anyone. The US is completely energy independent. It's crazy that people don't understand this.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545

 

[UncleMark]

Huh? She has the delegates she needs to win the Dem nomination now.

You're responding to someone who got everything he knows about politics and government from Schoolhouse Rock.

 

[Bowlmania]

That is what I'm thinking. Time to move on and focus on trying to remember in vivid detail the dream and I had where I was transported back in time and seduced by Joyce Dewitt. Totally screwed up dream

Wait. What? You're dreaming/fantasizing about Joyce Dewitt when her female co-star was Suzanne Somers? And later Priscilla Barnes? Next you'll probably try to make a case for Kate Jackson over Farrah Fawcett. Or Mary Ann over Ginger. Dude!

But quickly back to Trump and Hill. The comparison falls apart when you consider their post-election (hers in 2016, his in 2020) conduct. Yes, Hill groaned and moaned and made some inappropriate comments on the talk-show circuit, but here's the thing. She called Trump to concede the election early in the morning following Election Day, and she attended his inauguration. Trump did neither of those things when he lost to Biden. Then, to make matters worse, he promoted a bald-faced lie (a lie that he continues to perpetuate) that there was widespread fraud and that the election was stolen from him. Further, he meddled and likely broke the law in post-election interactions with state officials and others, and pressured his vice president to ignore the Constitution and decline to to certify the election on January 6. If Pence hadn't stood his ground, then all bets were off. Finally, The Con is once again insisting that the only way he can lose in November (the only way) is if the election is rigged. Rhetorical question, but do you realize how damaging this kind of reckless talk is? He's taken a sledgehammer to a cornerstone of democracy by undermining confidence in our elections.

His post-election conduct is the unforgivable sin and what sets him far apart from any other major party candidate for president in American history. He's wholly unfit for office.

 

[ribbont]

The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. More than the Saudis, more than Russia, more than anyone. The US is completely energy independent. It's crazy that people don't understand this.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545

What you don't get is the US could be energy DOMINANT. The BH policies are like taking out LeBron with the US up 20. We could win by 50, but not with BH. Instead, we allow the Saudis and Russia to produce oil in a dirtier manner. If you want to save the world from the existential threat of climate change; put Russia, Iran, and the Saudis out of the oil business.

 

[abraxis]

Except that’s not what will happen. I know Trump tries to distance himself from project 2025, but he constantly talks about stuff in it.

And the country isn’t ready for the type of mass deportations he’s talking about. “Show us your papers!” Used to be a bad caricature of the bad guys in movies. And I’m sure his retribution tour will go over well with his low information voters, but trying to get revenge on people like Liz Cheney will feel like crossing a line we never thought we’d cross.

It will become written in the Annals of US Government History as “Draining the Swamp, Part II - The Final Plunge.”

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

That is what I'm thinking. Time to move on and focus on trying to remember in vivid detail the dream and I had where I was transported back in time and seduced by Joyce Dewitt. Totally screwed up dream

You had that one too? whew, I suddenly feel so much better.

 

[TomEric4756]

The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. More than the Saudis, more than Russia, more than anyone. The US is completely energy independent. It's crazy that people don't understand this.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545

Yes the US is the largest producer. But didn’t have the capacity to replace the cuts made by Saudi led OPEC+ producers. (In MM barrels).

And other producers didn’t cheat as much as they had in the past.

Lower energy costs reduce costs in energy intensive transportation and electrical power generation. I’d like some lower utility bills. Consumers pay all the transportation costs.

 

[DANC]

Total nothing statement. People are triggered idiots with all things Trump. Vote Trump or vote far left progressive. Far left progressive equals idiot, loser, POS to me. But you guys do you.

These guys who claim to hate Trump but will vote for him have to apologize for their vote because the don't want to be ostracized by the self-proclaimed intellectuals in the media.

The amusing thing is, the Kamala voters all are excited about it and have no reservations about it or try to apologize because they know they'll get no blow back for it.

 

[DANC]

Dream Team needs to watch “Turning Point” on Netflix, but history might not really be understood by those blinded by single-source information. Really shows how Putin grabbed autocratic control. The good news for us is Trump is not Putin either intellect or work ethic.

I've seen it. It's not even remotely relevant to Trump or this election. But, as usual, you've got to work Trump into it somehow.

 

[DANC]

Another softy, I see.

So says his girlfriend

 

[Bowlmania]

These guys who claim to hate Trump but will vote for him have to apologize for their vote because the don't want to be ostracized by the self-proclaimed intellectuals in the media.

The amusing thing is, the Kamala voters all are excited about it and have no reservations about it or try to apologize because they know they'll get no blow back for it.

If you can’t understand the difference you’re even dumber than I thought.

 

[DANC]

One of the things I actually appreciated about Trump after 2016 is that he does what he says he will do. I actually found the media’s outrage at his actions humorous because he was very clear of his intentions. Because of this, I don’t understand now why all you Trumpophiles act like all his bombastic BS is hyperbole. He truly will go on a revenge tour like none ever seen in the past. I think some of you actually like that because you’d love to see revenge on those who dared to oppose him.

You claim he does what he says he'll do, but he's always said winning is his best revenge and he's not interested in getting even.

But you're right - I'd love it if he had his DoJ go after Joe and Kamala the way they've gone after him. Unfortunately, that's not how Republicans operate.

 

[DANC]

He does what he says? Really? Where's our new healthcare system? Why wasn't Hillary held accountable? Where's the balanced budget? Did Mexico pay for the wall? 4% GDP growth? Infrastructure? I could go on.

I voted for Trump in 2016 mainly for SCOTUS reasons and I liked what he espoused, and he got that SCOTUS done. In 2020, I voted write in as Trump failed on many of his promises.

And in 2024, I'll write in again as Trump won't keep his promises (but won't hurt the US) and Harris has policies that will absolutely hurt the US, IMO.

You left out getting control of the border and improving the economy and keeping us out of wars and establishing energy independence, but yeah, let's focus on the wall.....

 

[DANC]

Every election is "the most important" EVER. I heard it for the last 40 years. And the US is fine. Not perfect, but we are pretty good. Biden tried his best to destroy the economy, but has only damaged it. Harris will try as well, but will fail as no one person is greater than American innovation and capitalism.

As for social issues, the tide has changed with the courts and the libs know it, so they will try with packing the court. But that will fail. Maybe ethics reform or term limits could happen, but the latter won't effect the current set up as most proposals are fit 18-24 years.

With a $35 Trillion deficit and impending WWIII, I wouldn't say we're 'fine' right now.

There's no way the libs suddenly become sane on crime. Just wait until Trump is elected and you will see riots that make the Summer of Love look tame.

 

[DANC]

Not to be offensive, but I am guessing you are young and I could understand your position if that is the case. But I have endured many elections and hear the same thing every time.

It's true that every election is 'the most important' one in history. It depends on whose ox is being gored at the moment.

IMO, every election is important and 'most important' in its own way. 2016 kept Hillary from being President, thank God. Trump came in and did a good job and really changed direction of the Supreme Court.

In 2020, everyone said that was 'the most important' election and look what it got us. A President who literally cannot handle the job due to his mental decline.

You can go back in history and see how each Presidency changed the direction of the country when another Party is elected. The only one I can think of that didn't was the Clintons, who were constrained by 6 years of a Republican Congress who kept the Clintons from their leftist dreams.