Nobody who advocates women and children seeking the honor of martyrdom should be considered remotely reasonable.
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Nobody who advocates women and children seeking the honor of martyrdom should be considered remotely reasonable.
Maybe, but you're dodging the difficult value question.
There probably is no formula, and you have to wait to weigh the competing interests in the moment when you know all the facts. The older I get, and maybe the farther from studying math and science, I find that approach wise. But I find a theoretical answer or structure for an answer useful to prevent other biases (political, personal, emotional) from creeping in at the time the decision is made.
5 minute search. lots of hits on video clips and statements. I posted just a few highlights. Counsel, your research team is probably more skilled than me. have them compile the data (or lack of) and I am prepared to change my mind.
I agree with much of what you are saying. we suck. As Rick Majerus used to say, you are who you are in life.
Fair enough. I didn’t intend to dodge your value delima, which I view as a restatement of the trolly car delima.
Passively doing nothing but talking costs lives, Making threats with the intention of following through might also cost lives, but maybe different ones.
I guess I see value in advancing my view of what is right, as compared with only reacting to what others want knowing that it is contrary to my values. Of course this only makes sense if you hold clear beliefs and have confidence in those.
I’m not sure why you’d leak that. Seems like it would be better for Iran to be kept in the dark about how this was accomplished.
My guess is this time around their strikes will attempt to be more of a precise nature, while utilizing their tank brigades more as bait than as scalpels...
That's where I'll leave it though because I know very little about the Israeli order of battle these days...
October 7th made them appear incredibly weak when it comes to rapid reaction and makes one question how they'll do in the next multi-front war...
They're probably again pressing Biden on that 2,000lb bomb delivery about right now...
I don’t get the sense of withholding JDAMs. Wouldn’t we want Israel to be capable of making more precise hits and limit collateral damage?
It appears that the Iranian Navy isn't exactly a professional force to be reckoned with (here's an update on the Iranian fiasco first brought to us by Aloha):
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www.timesofisrael.com
Reads like we sent some of our Secret Service "professionals" over to supervise the refloating of their "stealth" ship... I guess that's one approach to making it invisible: just sink it...
The gang that couldn't sail straight, or, in this case, couldn't even get away from the pier...
Didn't want to slow the thread earlier, so I didn't ask, but what was leaked?
My phone won't allow me to view your link (old/can't be updated)...
Thanks in advance for the explanation...
Ismail Haniyeh was killed by an explosive device covertly smuggled into the Tehran guesthouse where he was staying. The bomb had been hidden approximately two months ago in the guesthouse. Once it was confirmed that he was inside the guesthouse, the bomb was detonated remotely.
Thanks... 😎
Thought it was a small guided missile that got him...
Maybe they're (the Israelis) just screwing with them (the Iranians)...
Either way, now the Iranians have two things to worry about...
Well played...
Again, I don't understand why they told people how they did this. Aren't they risking operatives' lives by doing this?
I'd guess because it wasn't going to take the Iranians long to piece it all together if they hadn't already. It was a card that likely could only be played once.
That it was placed two months ago? How in the world could anyone figure that out?
how do forensic teams in the West investigate bombings? I'm sure they go about it the same way but with less funding.
They probably figured that after they briefed us it would be leaked to the Iranians anyway...
Incredible if true:
The source claimed Haniyeh held a more hardline view on the deal than Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar and was making it more difficult to get a deal.
Evidently one Biden True Believer isn't quite up to speed (which isn't at all surprising)...
Perhaps these articles will help:
nypost.com
Perhaps these articles will help:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
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freebeacon.com
Ted Cruz warns of alleged ‘Iranian spies’ in Biden admin: ‘One of the greatest national security scandals’
Sen. Ted Cruz has struck an ominous tone about three people he says are “Iranian spies” working in the Biden administration, including some who have had access to classified information…
nypost.com
Whistleblowers Allege John Kerry Blocked FBI from Arresting Iranian Agents
An exclusive report by Fox News reveals the Obama-Biden State Department "actively interfered" to prevent the FBI from arresting individuals illegally in the US who allegedly supported Iran to develop weapons of mass destruction.
www.iranintl.com
Israel needed to take credit …. To get the message to Iran that they went too far.
Beyond retribution for the soccer field, this was retribution for 7 October.
It also a warning … This can happen to you too … the next time.
Beyond retribution for the soccer field, this was retribution for 7 October.
It also a warning … This can happen to you too … the next time.
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Evidently one Biden True Believer isn't quite up to speed (which isn't at all surprising)...
Perhaps these articles will help:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
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freebeacon.com
Ted Cruz warns of alleged ‘Iranian spies’ in Biden admin: ‘One of the greatest national security scandals’
Sen. Ted Cruz has struck an ominous tone about three people he says are “Iranian spies” working in the Biden administration, including some who have had access to classified information…
Whistleblowers Allege John Kerry Blocked FBI from Arresting Iranian Agents
An exclusive report by Fox News reveals the Obama-Biden State Department "actively interfered" to prevent the FBI from arresting individuals illegally in the US who allegedly supported Iran to develop weapons of mass destruction.www.iranintl.com
You sending Rick Scott and Tex Cruz? Sh*t, that's all you had to say.
also, you read some serious trash. damn
Easier to be a hardiner on negotiations when you are living a millionaire lifestyle in what you believe is safety from the bombs. He miscalculated the safety bit.
I doubt that he actually ever truly felt safe. I'm just surprised that Israel might actually believe that Sinwar is ready to negotiate but Haniyeh was getting in the way. That is a 180 from everything every expert has said on the matter. So is Israel blowing smoke, or are they actually onto something? I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Looks like the future administration of the Harris regime will be compromised by the Iranians too if elected:
nypost.com
GOP lawmakers probe Kamala Harris adviser for ‘connections’ to Iranian influence operation
Rep. Elise Stefanik and Sen. Tom Cotton wrote a letter to the vice president on Wednesday demanding answers to questions about the adviser, Philip Gordon.
nypost.com
Forces deployed:
nypost.com
www.airandspaceforces.com
I'm wondering who's already on site... Sounds like things are going hot sooner than later just based on the timeline of civilian flight cancellations...
Pentagon to deploy ‘land-based’ firepower and additional troops to Middle East to counter Iranian threats
The US military “posture adjustments” come as Israel gears up for a likely retaliatory strike from Iran and its proxies related to the assassinations of top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and Hezbolla…
nypost.com
US Deploying More Warplanes to Middle East as Iran Seeks Revenge on Israel
An additional U.S. Air Force fighter squadron is deploying to the Middle East to help protect Israel from an attack from Iran, officials said.
www.airandspaceforces.com
I'm wondering who's already on site... Sounds like things are going hot sooner than later just based on the timeline of civilian flight cancellations...
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You leak because your people are likely out of country and now you got them doing this to their people.
Hopefully this is a different source than what you linked...
Israel inadvertently bags more bad guys..., the Iranians are nothing if not murderously predictable:
Iran 'arrest dozens' at military-run guest house after Hamas assassination
IRAN has arrested over two dozen people after a Hamas leader was taken out by Israel in a rocket strike on capital Tehran this week. Senior intelligence officials, military staff and workers from h…
www.the-sun.com
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