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Israel under attack from Hamas



Iran has had IRGC advisors in the Mideast for decades. Dumb comment
Unfortunately the dumb comment belongs to you.
'Advisors'(facilitators/trainers/cadre) and funding are not the same. Qatar, as do most of the Arab states, plays both sides of the conflict.
American taxpayers $Billions pay for the airbase and port facilities, and that money pays militants as protection against domestic upheaval.
 
My suspicion, if American hostages end up dead, these places will have missions. My guess is we have sent that signal.
They already killed 29 Americans. We are already justified in doing whatever we want IMO.

The message I would be sending to Iran is to tell their dogs to let the rest of our people go or we will have no restrictions on where and when we hit you, up to and including destroying your ability to sell oil to all the other shitbag countries around the world that we don't like.
 
They already killed 29 Americans. We are already justified in doing whatever we want IMO.

The message I would be sending to Iran is to tell their dogs to let the rest of our people go or we will have no restrictions on where and when we hit you, up to and including destroying your ability to sell oil to all the other shitbag countries around the world that we don't like.
Agree 100%. You really think this shit can White House and State Department have the balls for this? Count me as a solid no.
 
Agree 100%. You really think this shit can White House and State Department have the balls for this? Count me as a solid no.
We won't attack without proof Iran knew of and helped this specific attack. We have funded groups all over the world. Imagine if one of them carried out an atrocity without us specifically knowing. And it has happened, below is one example. Assuming we knew nothing, are we to blame?


As others pointed out, we sold chemical and biological weapons to Iraq who used same on Iran.

We can't set a standard we refuse to live by. We get a smoking gun that Iran knew of, planned, aided, this attack, then we have causus belli against Iran. But we know we do against Hamas. But I suspect we are prioritizing getting our people out. A strike against them could be detrimental to that goal.
 
We won't attack without proof Iran knew of and helped this specific attack. We have funded groups all over the world. Imagine if one of them carried out an atrocity without us specifically knowing. And it has happened, below is one example. Assuming we knew nothing, are we to blame?


As others pointed out, we sold chemical and biological weapons to Iraq who used same on Iran.

We can't set a standard we refuse to live by. We get a smoking gun that Iran knew of, planned, aided, this attack, then we have causus belli against Iran. But we know we do against Hamas. But I suspect we are prioritizing getting our people out. A strike against them could be detrimental to that goal.
We did not sell chemical or biological weapons to Iraq.
 
Unfortunately the dumb comment belongs to you.
'Advisors'(facilitators/trainers/cadre) and funding are not the same. Qatar, as do most of the Arab states, plays both sides of the conflict.
American taxpayers $Billions pay for the airbase and port facilities, and that money pays militants as protection against domestic upheaval.
Iran is very active in Qatar, which has been a problem for the Saudis for years. IRGC and Hamas operatives run around Qatar with impunity. To think the Qatari’s were more at fault that the IRGC who has military advisors from Yemen to Syria, is not only asinine….but he probably needs professional help.

He’s been consistently wrong about Russia, Middle East….on and on

He made a dumb comment
 
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We did not sell chemical or biological weapons to Iraq.
Iraq purchased 8 strains of anthrax from the United States in 1985, according to British biological weapons expert David Kelly.[47] The Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.​
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The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[50]​


I completely agree with you selling a non-military helicopter isn't selling a weapon. Anthrax though? Other chem and biological? Maybe other things were dual use, but anthrax? We could sell vaccines, selling live anthrax seems far less dual use.

And we gave them military intelligence on using banned weapons:

 
Iraq purchased 8 strains of anthrax from the United States in 1985, according to British biological weapons expert David Kelly.[47] The Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.​
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The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[50]​


I completely agree with you selling a non-military helicopter isn't selling a weapon. Anthrax though? Other chem and biological? Maybe other things were dual use, but anthrax? We could sell vaccines, selling live anthrax seems far less dual use.

And we gave them military intelligence on using banned weapons:

Anthrax was sold to them. Should not have been done, and Iraq eventually weaponized a strain we sold. It actually wasn’t weaponized until after the war with Iran ended, but they still weaponized it and we had a part in that since we sold it to them. The US had no role in their chemical weapons development program.

I remember the Iran-Iraq war. We didn’t want either side to win. We definitely put our thumb on the scales when it appeared one side or the other might gain too much of an advantage. From our perspective there was no “good guy.” It does get ugly at times.
 
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I’m curious to see if acting-President Blinken can pull a rabbit out of a hat with his diplomacy tour.

So far, results seem scant. Raha crossing remains sealed to refugees, Palestinian American still in Gaza, no indication of hostages being released any time soon. Hezbollah continues to escalate in the north east. Qatar stands shoulder to shoulder with us in the morning while Hamas and Iranian leaders meet in Doha in the evening. 10’s of thousands of Palestinians seem dug in in northern Gaza either out of fear of Hamas or defiance to Israel.

Kudos to Iran/ HZ/ Hamas. They’ve put the Israel in a real pickle where the only way out is to acquiesce on their plan to totally eliminate Hamas or go scorched earth on the Palestinian population. This was a cleverly planned sticky wicket they’ve put Israel in.
 
Iran is very active in Qatar, which has been a problem for the Saudis for years. IRGC and Hamas operatives run around Qatar with impunity. To think the Qatari’s were more at fault that the IRGC who has military advisors from Yemen to Syria, is not only asinine….but he probably needs professional help.

He’s been consistently wrong about Russia, Middle East….on and on

He made a dumb comment
Let's see...retired, graduate of VMI, West Point, and PhD University of Virginia in International Relations, long successful military career, or you.....

Consistently wrong?

You make me laugh.
 
There is a vigil tonight in Indy for Gaza. Below is from the WXIN website. I think, at least what we see below, this is totally appropriate. Does anyone think it inappropriate?

INDIANAPOLIS – A vigil for Gaza will be held on Monument Circle at 5:30 p.m. Sunday in Indianapolis, according to the Jewish Voice for Peace-Indiana.

The vigil will be a night of poems and prayers.

To learn more about the vigil please view here.
 
We did not sell chemical or biological weapons to Iraq.

Iraq purchased 8 strains of anthrax from the United States in 1985, according to British biological weapons expert David Kelly.[47] The Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.​
...​
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including anthrax) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[50]​


I completely agree with you selling a non-military helicopter isn't selling a weapon. Anthrax though? Other chem and biological? Maybe other things were dual use, but anthrax? We could sell vaccines, selling live anthrax seems far less dual use.

And we gave them military intelligence on using banned weapons:

Want to move the goalposts again, Company man?

So sick of the continuous gaslighting bullshit from you.

Get a new script.
 
I own guns you freaking moron. I just don't have to talk about them incessantly. And if God forbid the time comes to have to save someone, I won't ask if they are conservative or liberal. You ane nothing but a shit stirrer.

And I'm an idiot for posting here arguing with people I don't even know. With that, I bid you all farewell. For me, this place is no longer worth it.
Bye Felicia!
 
I’m curious to see if acting-President Blinken can pull a rabbit out of a hat with his diplomacy tour.

So far, results seem scant. Raha crossing remains sealed to refugees, Palestinian American still in Gaza, no indication of hostages being released any time soon. Hezbollah continues to escalate in the north east. Qatar stands shoulder to shoulder with us in the morning while Hamas and Iranian leaders meet in Doha in the evening. 10’s of thousands of Palestinians seem dug in in northern Gaza either out of fear of Hamas or defiance to Israel.

Kudos to Iran/ HZ/ Hamas. They’ve put the Israel in a real pickle where the only way out is to acquiesce on their plan to totally eliminate Hamas or go scorched earth on the Palestinian population. This was a cleverly planned sticky wicket they’ve put Israel in.

NKOTB, your take that Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas has put Israel in a pickle is bound to make a stir at the Cooler. Also your reference to Blinken and diplomacy with many Coolerites who can only think in terms of military responses will also shake things up.

NKOTB, stick around so you can take the heat and fire back.
 
NKOTB, your take that Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas has put Israel in a pickle is bound to make a stir at the Cooler. Also your reference to Blinken and diplomacy with many Coolerites who can only think in terms of military responses will also shake things up.

NKOTB, stick around so you can take the heat and fire back.
NKOTB is most like an OKOTB.
 
NKOTB, your take that Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas has put Israel in a pickle is bound to make a stir at the Cooler. Also your reference to Blinken and diplomacy with many Coolerites who can only think in terms of military responses will also shake things up.

NKOTB, stick around so you can take the heat and fire back.
If we have a Palestinian Americans stuck in Gaza, do we want them back assuming they're like the people we've seen protesting the last few days? I would make that last on the priority list.
 
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If we have a Palestinian Americans stuck in Gaza, do we want them back assuming they're like the people we've seen protesting the last few days? I would make that last on the priority list.

KDOTB, need help.

Tell me, who are "Palestinian Americans".
 
I've read some tough talk recently about how "This 'aint your grandma's, Hezbollah". They're 100K strong, with 100K+ precision guided missiles pointed at Israel, and battle hardened from Syria.

I still don't see how they possibly could mount an offensive into Israel with no armor or air. Best they're going to be able to do is fire in some rockets and then duck for cover.
 
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I've read some tough talk recently about how "This 'aint your grandma's, Hezbollah". They're 100K strong, with 100K+ precision guided missiles pointed at Israel, and battle hardened from Syria.

I still don't see how they possibly could mount an offensive into Israel with no armor or air. Best they're going to be able to do is fire in some rockets and then duck for cover.

And if "we" would stop worrying about the people who hate peace at all cost, it would be over in less than 24 hours. There is no better culture change agent than a total inhalation type defeat, followed by humanitarian support. F"U" are "your" (not you) OMG genocide.... WE've played that game for 1,000 years. Your emotions only create more loss. Rip off the band aid.
 
I've read some tough talk recently about how "This 'aint your grandma's, Hezbollah". They're 100K strong, with 100K+ precision guided missiles pointed at Israel, and battle hardened from Syria.

I still don't see how they possibly could mount an offensive into Israel with no armor or air. Best they're going to be able to do is fire in some rockets and then duck for cover.

Agree. But the bigger point is that Lebanon isn't a sovereign nation under government control.
 
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Having two separate exes do kid exchanges at the police station is one of the greatest things I’ve ever heard
Circling back to this. My life is encircled with crazy shit, that is why I drink. Ok not the only reason, I enjoy it. When I pulled to most stupid thing a man could do, which was divorcing my first wife, I was cast into a life of paying for my sin. It's a purgatory on earth, but I admit, I deserve it.
oddly one of the best people that I can always count on when I eventually flip my MF'ing lid... The first wife.

Now, when you are taking this current vile thing that I somewhat live with? She'd be the best thing for your little feller.
 
Circling back to this. My life is encircled with crazy shit, that is why I drink. Ok not the only reason, I enjoy it. When I pulled to most stupid thing a man could do, which was divorcing my first wife, I was cast into a life of paying for my sin. It's a purgatory on earth, but I admit, I deserve it.
oddly one of the best people that I can always count on when I eventually flip my MF'ing lid... The first wife.

Now, when you are taking this current vile thing that I somewhat live with? She'd be the best thing for your little feller.
I empathize believe me. I dropped my little guy off this am. Hour later I get a text that he won’t eat. He’s yelling COOKIE. And I just thought mother f*ucker I have 16 more years of this. How is that possible. And she’ll text me all week. Every day. Then go on vacation this weekend with her bf. More and more I think it’s a sims world and some of us are just meant to be F’d with as their entertainment
 
I empathize believe me. I dropped my little guy off this am. Hour later I get a text that he won’t eat. He’s yelling COOKIE. And I just thought mother f*ucker I have 16 more years of this. How is that possible. And she’ll text me all week. Every day. Then go on vacation this weekend with her bf. More and more I think it’s a sims world and some of us are just meant to be F’d with as their entertainment

Ngl wives are exhausting and annoying. Maybe I’ll join you schmucks
 
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