The crazy thing is these Iran/Hamas apologists in the democrat party just don’t get it. Given the opportunity, they will kill them just like they’re killing Israelis.
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It is offensive. Imagine her calling for a ceasefire after 9/11, and advising the US to de-escalate the situation.
This is why people question you. 95% of us think that is an offensive statement. You were ok with it. And no, it was not in line with what US officials (not just "people") were saying. I am sure every Rep and Senator put out a statement and you can count on one hand those that called for "immediate ceasefire and de-escalation".
I am glad to see she condemned the rally. Don't believe the rest of the squad members have unless I missed it.
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I didn’t see the ceasefire and that’s not why people questioned me. I said that this evening. You questioned me BEFORE that. Like I said, I hadn’t even seen it and obviously I still didn’t see the whole statement, but you questioned me before I commented on that.
Nice conclusion Marv … after decades of poor economic results … (and widespread poverty) … there could well have been discord that required an Israeli invasion … to rekindle the flames of support for Hamas leaders. And yes, Tet was a psychological, public relations victory In the end.
(I heard Israelis left in 2006. Another poster cited fear of reprisal when speaking against Gaza’s leaders).
I think Gaza is too small in comparison… and the atrocities too big … to turn mainstream pubic opinion against the Israelies in the West. (As opposed to the US’ unacceptable TET causalities, turning opinion in the US).
The demonstrations before Israel invaded (in response) were premature and marked the demonstrators as naive or uninformed, due to the horror of the atrocities. They were discredited on the spot, and won’t be taken seriously later. The clearly planned nature of the atrocities reveal Hamas as true to their word … ‘Death to Israel’ means one thing … death. By planning atrocities… Hamas has defeated themselves… by losing all credibility.
[By inference Iran’s leadership should lose all credibility too].
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Yes, Hamas has lost any credibility forever. And I suspect when we find proof of an Iranian link, their will be retribution. Let me suggest one thing, I doubt that $6 billion is beyond the reach of the NSA. Though I doubt they want to advertise that.
NPR had a Middle East expert on Tuesday evening. He said he was in Gaza over the summer and said the feeling of desperation was palpable. He said the Palestinians expected a new policy from Biden and did not get it. He was pushing Israel and Saudi closer, which scared the Palestinians. He was asked if this was part of a strategy, he said no but it was a desperate attempt to throw all the cards into the air and hope their new hand is better.
Israel is reporting they killed 1500 terrorists in Israel. 1500. That also sounds like Tet, they lost the military engagement. And the willingness to lose 1500 suggests a desperate gamble. I don't know how many fighters they have, but 1500 has to be a percentage we consider significant.
Plenty blm signs near my work still in a white rich liberal area. These people have no idea what they support at all they just think its cool and make them hip with the in cocktail circle. But with gaza i dont support just bombing and destroying all including women and children. I may be conservative but I am not a war monger type who just wants to destroy everyone. I think in the end it only makes the terrorists more pissed and will mobolize them more imo. Yeah try and get the terrorists but dont just bomb the whole damn place. Twenty years we tried to take out the taliban and they are still around. You will never totally destroy them.
Correct. It's also the 7,622 that have liked the tweet.
There is a startling amount of antisemitism within the black community, some of which has been very public with athletes & entertainers. BLM supporting this is not surprising in the least.
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So because some people who consider themselves blm saying something stupid, everyone should decline to support blm?
So if a conservative said something stupid, everyone has the duty to switch to being liberals?
Don't take this as me offering an excuse, nothing excuses such hatred as antisemitism. There has been a long held belief that the slave trade (and even slave owners) were disproportionately Jewish. As below illustrates, that is incorrect but the myth lingers
Not sure I can link it directly but I saw a blurb in one of the Guardian reports overnight about the IDF clearing out the kibbutz where the massacre happened. They took away the dead Israelis, then stripped the dead Hamas militants (to look for explosives) and then left the bodies lying on the ground. Some were headless.
This is going to be a very ugly war. I think Hamas misplayed their hand on this one.
This is going to be a very ugly war. I think Hamas misplayed their hand on this one.
This is why I'm skeptical (and hopeful) that the beheaded babies is inaccurate. Still a horrific tragedy, but could have been worse.
nypost.com
Israeli couple murdered by Hamas hid their twin babies — who were found unharmed 14 hours later
A young Israeli couple were murdered by Hamas terrorists who broke into their home — but not before they hid their 10-month-old twins, who were found alive about 14 hours later.
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I wouldn't yet. Wait a few days for the food to run out and you hopefully convince some of the civilians to leave. To me that is one of the goals of shutting everything off. Get the kids and women out so I can kill those who need it and minimize killing those who don't.
Supposedly Israel is in talks with the US and Egypt about an evacuation plan for civilians.
BLM has been pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli from its inception.
I don’t believe in equating anti-Israeli with anti-semitic, though.
Serious question: where are they going to go and how are they going to get there?
My impression is that Palestinians are trapped in Gaza with no way out. Is that wrong?
ETA: looks like goat’s post covers this problem. Hopefully, they go to Egypt.
There is one border crossing into Egypt. So if Egypt opens that, they have a way. But one crossing for two million people?
I’m not sure they want to open it, though. They don’t want Islamic extremists, either, it sounds like:
Egypt moves to prevent exodus of Palestinians from besieged Gaza
Egypt is moving to avert a mass exodus from the Gaza Strip into its Sinai Peninsula, as Israeli bombardment halted crossings at the main exit point from the Palestinian enclave on Tuesday, Gaza officials and Egyptian security sources said.
Hamas is originally an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, so Egypt is naturally wary.I’m not sure they want to open it, though. They don’t want Islamic extremists, either, it sounds like:
Egypt moves to prevent exodus of Palestinians from besieged Gaza
Egypt is moving to avert a mass exodus from the Gaza Strip into its Sinai Peninsula, as Israeli bombardment halted crossings at the main exit point from the Palestinian enclave on Tuesday, Gaza officials and Egyptian security sources said.www.reuters.com
They are trapped because they are armed to the teeth and hate Jews enough to kill them all. During “peace” thousands of Palestinians leave Gaza every day to go to work in Israel.
Thousands is a far cry from 2 million. If someone were about to attack an area of Mexico of 2 million, would we let them in?
And thousands entering Israel would seem to indicate not nearly all people in Gaza are bloodthirsty savages looking to kill Jews. They are routinely going into Israel, working, and not killing anyone.
You are big at treating everyone as individuals and not group identity, but you seem to be determined to imply that all Palestinians are would be mass murderers. I suspect, have no data, there are many people who just want to get through their lives of quiet desperation.
What do you mean by this? Quds force supports Hamas and other terror groups and the world has known this for years. The support includes training, logistics, weapons and intelligence. Whether Quds Force planned this particular attack is irrelevant. The fact is that Hamas is a product of Iranian sponsored terror.
Biden‘s failure to at least mention that we will come after “State sponsored terrorism” (even if he couldn’t bring himself to say “Iran”) is another huge foreign policy blunder. It’s patently obvious that Hamas does not have the wherewithal to do this on its own. The United States pussyfooting around this issue will cost us.
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Yep, Hamas has damaged their brand beyond repair. I am one who really wishes Israel and the Palestinians could reach an accord. Obviously, it would be something neither is happy with but could live with. But this action makes that clearly impossible and it isn't Israel's fault. There is no way any American leader can try to coax Israel into an agreement for a long time. In fact, it is the opposite, I think the pressure will become overwhelming for direct US military involvement. I am not putting money on ships leaving Iranian ports and making it to their destination. Iran has opened shipping to Syria, I suspect that is about to close harshly.
There are like a million kids in Gaza. I would like to see the battlefield cleared before what needs done is done.
I agree with your last paragraph. But we live in reality. The reality is that all Palestinians schooled in Gaza are taught to hate Jews. Also Hamas has the support of 90% of Palestinians. Hamas enjoys support of millions right here in America, including some members of congress. Isreal has worked for decades to normalize that population and have them live and work like anyone would want. . But for various reasons that are both local and international, many are invested in making hate permanent.
Most of their immediate neighbors are. They "support" them against the Jews but none of them want those regions.
And the Palestinians have a history that includes assassinating the Jordanian king in the 50's and fighting them again 20 years later. They are seen as destabilizing by the autocratic leadership around the ME. None of the leadership gives a rip about them, they generally view them as problematic. They just make for good propaganda where they are.
Money and arms are pumped in and hate in those regions is fueled because killing Jews is better than assassinating local Kings.
More than 50% of population in Gaza are children. Of course they can’t get out without their parents. I do like that Israel is working on an exit plan, just not sure how it will work.
I can't imagine a bleaker place in the world to be born than Gaza. And I never really thought about it until Saturday. That's the lethal combination of terrorism.
7,000 is not really a significant number, but I do agree there is a surprising ( at least to me) number of antisemites in the black community. I became more aware of it when I was at IU . I wasn’t sure if it’s roots, besides the large number of Blacks who are Muslim.
Would be awful. Awful places all over though. It’s a sad world. Hell my Starbucks is awful right now. I just crop dusted the entire mobile order section
Unless something has dramatically changed, that's not true.
Important to keep focused on what really matters.
Where did you get that 90%? Last survey I could find said 58%. I also don’t believe all of the schools teach them to hate Jews. I know that some do, but when we were there last year we spoke to some educators who were working on unradicaluzing ( not a word) some of the education system.
