Israel under attack from Hamas
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Previous intercepts have been about 8 miles from the destroyer. This is the first to occur less than a mile from a U.S. Navy ship
It will bring Palestinian demands back to the center of Middle East geopolitics.
The White House states it will recognize a Palestinian and Israeli state. It will use its influence to allow this Palestinian state to join the United Nations.
Netanyahu: “ I will not compromise on full Israeli security control over all the territory west of Jordan - and this is contrary to a Palestinian state.”
State Department saying we are rethinking policy. NSC says “It has been longstanding U.S. policy that any recognition of a Palestinian state must come through direct negotiations between the parties rather than through unilateral recognition at the UN. That policy has not changed.”
Does the left hand know what the right hand is doing?
The boundaries for this empire would have to be set. What does that look like? Would it be a terrorist empire?
Maybe State is losing control and is just throwing shit against the wall desperately. I still don't see how it can be blamed for any potential failure of the Abraham Accords. Palestine is front and center again in any Arab-Israeli talks. Hamas made sure of that.
It will be nearly impossible for any Arab nation to continue relations with Israel if Israel refuses to accept the recognition agreements that is being reported that the White House envisions.
“Irreversible progress to a two-state solution”
I don't have a problem with the order in theory, but this feels like bad timing. Smells to me like it's another manifestation of deep divisions within State.
I understand your complaint. I'm saying I don't see how it's up to the US. I think Hamas accomplished its primary goal on Oct 7, which was to place the Palestinian cause back in the very center of Arab-Israeli relations. This isn't a situation where Israel has room to ignore the statehood issue, and the US is forcing them into it.
The U.S. was quite successful with the Abraham Accords. I believe at the time, I referred to it as the Arab world finally abandoning the Palestinians. Hamas undid that success. Arab leaders were reminded that abandoning the Palestinians creates problems for them. And those problems cannot be assuaged by anything the U.S. does or says. There is no Arab populace anywhere in the world that will become more anti-Israel because the U.S. publicly backs statehood.
In reality, this was probably always where we were going to end up, and whatever hope we had that the Arab world could move past the Palestinian question was a false hope. It simply took Hamas' attack for us to realize it.
“The US is forcing them into it”
If this is not derailed, we have effectively abandoned our alliance with Israel.
What country will control the government in this new state? We will hand that country a major strategic victory.
Yeah I'm sorry but this is a waste of time. You're almost always reasonable but on this particular issue you've gone round the bend.
I don’t think it’s going “round the bend” to ask what the boundaries for this state will look like, to ask if it will be a terror state, to wonder what the impact will be of an Iranian-controlled state bordering Israel, to ask if this state would have mutual defense treaties with nations hostile to Israel, to ask about UN representation, to ask if the U.S. has taken into account that Israel will refuse to accept this state.
You are correct..this is probably a waste of time….but 100% of activity here falls under that statement
What's "round the bend" is calling it "effectively abandoning our alliance with Israel." Or, again, taking this back to where we started, pretending that we have any control over this. If Israel wants to engage diplomatically with the Arab world, they must find an acceptable path toward Palestinian statehood. That's just reality. It is not our fault, and it is not within our power to change it.
Yeah we’re talking past each other.
“The US is forcing them into it” is counter to “pretending we have any control over this”
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CENTCOM Statement on U.S. Strikes in Iraq and Syria
TAMPA, Fla. - At 4:00 p.m. (EST) Feb. 02, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces conducted airstrikes in Iraq and Syria against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Quds Force and
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The billion dollar question is:CENTCOM Statement on U.S. Strikes in Iraq and Syria
TAMPA, Fla. - At 4:00 p.m. (EST) Feb. 02, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces conducted airstrikes in Iraq and Syria against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Quds Force andwww.centcom.mil
What (and who) did they actually hit...???
Sleepy Joe and his 5th rate National Security team gave the hostiles a 4 full days to displace and disperse anything and anyone of value... Makes one wonder who those people are actually working for?- (speaking of Bidens National Security team)...-
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Good timing as far as Biden is concerned......going to be in Michigan later in the day.
From the comments: Mexico appreciates the assistance
We out! Looks like those militias scared us off successfully.
This is gonna be a shit show, just like Afghanistan. Biden weakening Western influence, one day at a time.
What's the over/under on the number of troops Biden will get killed on the way out?
A shit-show is right.
what's the over/under on lives saved by having fewer US troops in the ME?
neither party wants to do forever wars anymore., get used to it.
I agree with your sentiment. But no one knows what might happen if we withdraw. Who fills that vacuum?
Looks like the US is banking on our partners and proxies doing the heavy lifting. it's really the only chance for sustainable peace in the ME. we've put immense effort into balancing the region. at some point you've toppled and propped up enough governments at enormous expense with limited results to realize you might be a big part of the problem.
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