Is White Christian Nationalism good for America?

[mcmurtry66]

So white Christian nationalist automatically means racist?

in academic circles I would say yes. Founded on Protestant values with the idea of insulating same from immigrants, non whites, non Christians. Nationalism in keeping with same. Different than patriotism. Is that racist? Maybe? Probably. That’s the academic teachings you’ll find in poly sci public policy admin depts - at least it certainly was

 

[The Original Happy Goat]

So white Christian nationalist automatically means racist?

White nationalism is inherently racist. Doesn't matter if it's Christian or not. Same with black nationalism. Any kind of racially directed nationalism is racist, at least as the vast majority of us would understand the term.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

White nationalism is inherently racist. Doesn't matter if it's Christian or not. Same with black nationalism. Any kind of racially directed nationalism is racist, at least as the vast majority of us would understand the term.

Valid point.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

I suspect Jefferson was not touting Christian Nationalism given he was a Deist. Is Deist Nationalism a thing?

Correct.

Jefferson was also monotheistic and established church state separation. Broad sense Christianity aligns with this. I also recognize, as I said above, you can find isolated and unimportant groups who support those who can only criticize Christianity, nationalism, and Christian Nationalism

I don’t see your point.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

White nationalism is inherently racist. Doesn't matter if it's Christian or not. Same with black nationalism. Any kind of racially directed nationalism is racist, at least as the vast majority of us would understand the term.

White nationalism is Hitler, KKK, etc. it’s not Christian and likely not nationalist either. I think that is an entirely separate thing.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Correct.

Jefferson was also monotheistic and established church state separation. Broad sense Christianity aligns with this. I also recognize, as I said above, you can find isolated and unimportant groups who support those who can only criticize Christianity, nationalism, and Christian Nationalism

I don’t see your point.

Church-State separation is a myth. You know this.
Or should.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

White nationalism is Hitler, KKK, etc. it’s not Christian and likely not nationalist either. I think that is an entirely separate thing.

Laughable.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Church-State separation is a myth. You know this.
Or should.

So which church should control the state in your universe? Madison, Monroe, and Jefferson were Deists, you think they wanted a Christian church to rule over them?

 

[BradStevens]

I don’t accept any view of Christianity or nationalist proposed by people who are neither. In all cases, they intend their view to be a pejorative.

That's an illogical ad hominem argument.

Would you accept the same logic w/r/t socialism? Islam? That is, that someone shouldn't accept any view of socialism or Islam proposed by people who are not socialists or Muslim? Because " in all cases, they intend their view to be pejorative?"

 

[CO. Hoosier]

That's an illogical ad hominem argument.

Would you accept the same logic w/r/t socialism? Islam? That is, that someone shouldn't accept any view of socialism or Islam proposed by people who are not socialists or Muslim? Because " in all cases, they intend their view to be pejorative?"

That’s a fair argument. But I don’t think it applies. Islam and socialism enjoy a measure of objectivity from many. Christian Nationalism doesn’t benefit from that. This thread proves the point.