Is this year a rebuild?
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No, this year was not a rebuild, the expectations were probably valid. Though lacking in spots there was still enough talent to be where you stated.
The team just didn't develop as a team and many players didn't improve. Green is still Green, Smith is worse than last year, Fitzner didn't pan out. Davis came back gimpy and we lost a lot of time to injury. All those things compounded and yes it's the coach who is accountable. It's his job to fix it, so let's see if he fixes it.
One season does not a career or program make.
Im just writing what I think fred thinks and will do. I believe fred will count year 3 as year 1.
Is ability only scoring?
How good of a 3-point shooter is Romeo at this stage of his career?
How's his defense? Motor?
You’re correct. He was the 5th big man behind Morgan, Smith, Fitz, and Davis. He also might still be the 5th big man next year.
Same people who are claiming hunter will be a diffence maker 5 star type stud from day one. Remember alot off people also had fitzner as a starter from day one and a lights out shooter from deep.
Scoring is kind of the most important part.
And he’s a very good defender. He’s struggled shooting the year but he has the technique to be great. With better coaching he’ll have his shot fixed by the summer league.
Would these people be the same ones who said Romeo would be a “legend” after one year at IU when he was a recruit? The same people who are saying we’d be better without him now?
Those clowns are fun to watch.
Actually, what I meant to say was, “Man, I wish we had Dennis Rodman on our team!”.
Except now hunter is the new romeo even though with have no idea if he will be healthy next year or even play.
He's an awful defender. Do you even watch the games?
It takes one screen to take him out because he's so weak fighting through them. He coasts on defense...just like Calipari and Greenberg said before the season.
He has the tools to be a good defender and he'll do it in spurts but as Dakich said, he's too cool.
Throw in the fact his handle is weak, his passes are weak, he struggles going left and shoots everything with his right, his vision is questionable and doesn't create well for others.
As my southern Indiana friend told me he has never been challenged in his life til now and thinks he can still coast and get points.
Last game and a half has been better but like Justin Smith his energy comes in spurts.
Some will blame the coach others like Dakich and Mark Titus will say motor is uncoachable and it doesn't matter how much you yell at or punish a kid, it's the kid's personality.
Archie needs to recruit better to make sure he surrounds his Romeo's with a bunch of Scott Skiles's.
Still remember jumping out of my chair at Skiles' wraparound pass vs. Georgetown in 86 tournament.
Thompson was ranked around 70-80 in his true class from an area that is historically under rated who comes from a football family and won multiple national AAU championships for his Howard Pulley team (featuring Hurt, Thompson, Zeke and Terry).
He was ranked similar to Smith and his attributes was his energy and multi position ability.
The gooroos ding him because he isn't explosive and is more an under the basket offensive player.
We could have used a 6'8" 230 pound freshman Justin Smith, Vince Edwards, Juwan Morgan in the rotation.
He's not a game changer this year but he's not a waste yet.
He's not going to get thrown in a competitive conference game when he just started practicing two weeks ago.
That's beyond stupid to believe even for trolls.
I loved Skiles growing up. Won me over when he beat Barlow and Hicks (I think) of national #1 Cathedral in the final four when he just willed that Plymouth team to the state title.
That Georgetown game was awesome. He was struggling and then the hoyas started woofing (even though Thompson told them not to engage him) and he just destroyed them after and woofed back.
He averaged something like 27 points a game his senior year without the three point line and was just a goon, bully.
You also think we’d be better off without Romeo. So I don’t really take anything you say serious.
I guess we'll find out next year if his phenomena is as big of a locker room distraction as I think it has been for the impact he's made to actual winning.
We're not dead yet this year either if he keeps playing with the effort of the past 45 minutes but we gotta win 5 out of our last 8.
Keep rooting against us.
Vanderbilt 9-13, 0-9 last place.
Shittu did score 12 points in their loss to Arkansas and is still considered a first round pick.
18 year old one and dones baby! Gotta get em for one year!! They have madd skiilz!!
I love how you keep mentioning Vanderbilt but ignore Duke, UK, Kansas, etc.
Why could that be? Could it be your bias?
Kansas has been made by transfers lately, including this year.
Grimes gives them around 6 points a game in 30 minutes. Remember he and Romeo we're talking about how they were going to be in the NBA in a year?
It's Duke and UK are the only ones having success depending on 18 year old freshmen.
Everyone else succeeds by getting old. Self has seemed to try to exploit that by taking in a lot of talented transfers.
We've had three one and dones...Gordon, Vonleh and Romeo.
All three put up great individual numbers.
Two of them are probably not going to get us to the tournament and then poof....gone after their one year sentence.
Like they never existed.
Sorry but he was ranked 134th by 247. Minnesota has 4 guys ranked in the top 50 for 2020 plus hurt top10 2019. Jones top 10 2018. How is minnesota underranked? Not saying he would have played but some of your statements are off imo
But drew was going to go to the final four if he got romeo anchors down nation said
Our problem is not that we’ve had 3 one and dones in 12 years. It’s that we’ve only had 3.
Uh Dukes one And dones look pretty damn good tonight, keep hanging your hopes on overachieving 3 stars.
He dropped when he reclassified and redshirted to 2017. He was around 80 for his real class which was 2018 at the time he committed.
Not talking gophers, talking Minnesota state prospects. The gophers don't get enough state prospects. Wisconsin has been feasting on the state the last 20 years.
Jordan Taylor, Carrot Top, Jerred Berggrun, Jon Leuer now Brad Davidson, Kameron Taylor.
Most were three star or unranked dudes from a strong Howard Pulley AAU team.
Bigger names like Royce White, Tyus Jones, Tre Jones, McKinley Wright (unranked), Reid Travis now at Kentucky, Vaughn who played for the Bucks, etc.
Race is another dude out of the Howard Pulley factory.
Again he's not an above the rim player like the great Hanner Parea or Nick Richards but he is a big, bully dude that can do a little of everything with a great motor.
Juwan is probably a good comparison even though Morgan has better hops but Race is a bigger, thicker dude.
At best I'm hoping for Jess Settles/Brian Cardinal. At worst he's Breusiwich (Carrot Top) from Wisconsin.
The big question is will he ever be healthy. He plays with a recklessness that's fun to watch but he's constantly dinged up. That was in high school too.
Zion is in his own world. He's a freak but also wants to steal your lunch money and bang your mom in front of you and there's nothing you can do about it.
Zion comes around once every five to ten years.
Have no idea how the gooroos had him ranked below Reddish in a lot of cases...Reddish isn't a killer like Zion is.
Sometimes I wonder if the gooroos just look at physical skills and not are they winning, competitive players.
See Nick Richards or Hanner.
Picked this team to finish no higher than 6th place and people said “you are a lunatic, we got Romeo!”
I told them “I saw red flags with the staff last year.”
Was told that it was “just the Crean guys and we’d be so much better this year.”
Riiiiiigggghht....
Fred says the first three years dont count. Unless the trustees say different fred will give him six years minimum
Depends on who is able to play next year.
Do we also lose Green, Smith and Davis, Hunter and Thompson?
Then yeah, we'll be relying heavily on Rob, Al, Anderson, Brooks and TJD.
That team will struggle.
Do we keep them all plus get a fully healthy Davis, Hunter and Thompson? If so I think we'll have a better record.
So you your assuming Jackson and Brooks... can replace Morgan and Romeo.. I don't see that even if we get Brooks and everybody is healthy will still don't have shooting 15 win team..
I think the Romeo phenomena has been a distraction for this team. Didn't say the individual, the hype phenomena.
Reminds me a ton of the Bracey Wright era.
Without him we go back to being talented lunch pailers, all working in the same direction, probably going through Davis on offense instead of a perimeter guard (if he can stay healthy and get in shape and yeah, doesn't leave which wouldn't surprise me).
We need much better pg play out of Phinesse. He shouldn't have half the fanbase yelling at him to pass it to Romeo next year (seriously, Frankievision rips him on Twitter for not passing it to Romeo and others join).
That's the distraction that I'm talking about...the hype.
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