Is Biden seriously trying to rekindle relations with Iran, Venezuela and Saudi right now?
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Your argument is "Well, Putin COULD have invaded Ukraine when Trump was President".
Yeah, a lot of things could have happened. But you no reason to think it would have happened. Unlike Biden, when it actually did happen in an Administration he was a part of.
If you're happy with how Biden is doing, good for you. I just ask you to own it.
You must not have read much after 9/11, because a lot of Democrats were blaming Bush.
You are willfully ignoring Biden's history in the Obama Administration of kow-towing to Iran and refusing to aid Ukraine with lethal weapons.
Just own it.
And as far as Clinton and 9/11, Clinton knew all about bin Laden's plans, starting with the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.
There's a reason you won't spike the football, because you know Clinton could have stopped bin Laden himself.
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At 10:30 a.m. local time, a massive truck bomb explodes outside the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. Minutes later, another truck bomb detonated outside the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, the capital of neighboring Tanzania. The dual terrorist attacks killed 224 people, including 12 Americans...
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You must not have read much after 9/11, because a lot of Democrats were blaming Bush.
What do you think Trump was doing - or would have done had he won a second term - to dissuade Russia invading Ukraine?
What do you think Trump was doing - or would have done had he won a second term - to dissuade Russia invading Ukraine?
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By your logic, Bin Laden didn’t orchestrate 9/11 while Clinton was in office so it wouldn’t have happened if he were in office. See how looney that sounds?And as far as Clinton and 9/11, Clinton knew all about bin Laden's plans, starting with the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.
There's a reason you won't spike the football, because you know Clinton could have stopped bin Laden himself.
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1998 Missile Strikes on Bin Laden May Have Backfired
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U.S. embassies in East Africa bombed | August 7, 1998 | HISTORY
At 10:30 a.m. local time, a massive truck bomb explodes outside the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. Minutes later, another truck bomb detonated outside the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, the capital of neighboring Tanzania. The dual terrorist attacks killed 224 people, including 12 Americans...
You think a surprise attack by terrorists is the same as watching a year-long buildup of military and eventual invasion by a world power are the same thing?
What was that exactly? Magic? Salesmanship? Sending Putin the complete Apprentice series on DVD?
Sorry, “Trump would have prevented this because he was doing Trump things” isn’t cutting it.
Weren’t you the one who just posted articles saying that the build up to 9/11 started in 1998?
But you prefer Biden doing Biden things, which evidently encouraged Putin.
It's difficult to discuss anything logically with someone who lives in la-la land.
And you have no evidence that Putin wouldn't have done it if Trump hadn't lost the election in a landslide. No one can possibly know what would have happened, but there is zero reason to believe Putin wouldn't have done it if Trump was President.
I actually think Biden has taken the right steps under the circumstances. He's apparently listening to his advisors - that was a problem with Trump because he didn't.
Right, the fall back cult theme. By the same rational blind Biden supporters are a cult too. The exact same thing, would seem @Ohio Guy is the leader of the Ohio branch of the liberal cult.
I wasn't happy with either candidate and I'm not happy with Biden as President either. Like with every President, I'll agree with some things the President does or wants to do and I'll disagree with others. As much as I dislike Democratic policies I'm OK with Biden being President over Trump and his Trumpster policies. We'll have another President in 2024 and I hope like hell it's not a Democrat and not Trump.
There is no Biden cult. There are people that support him and those that don't support him or his policies, even in his own party, but I've not seen any evidence that he has blind followers willing to swallow every lie he tells, no matter how outrageous, like Trumpsters do with Trump. Be a Republican, not a Trump cult member.
Never in a million years. I don't think I ever have banned you, have I? But you must have a serious enemy around here somewhere!
No, that’s not what I said at all. I haven’t brought up or directly defended Biden in this thread at all.
When your whole argument hinges on ‘Trump would have stopped a Ukrainian invasion because he would have kept doing whatever he was doing’ and you accuse me of being unhinged and detached from logic I don’t really have a response to that.
It seems pretty obvious in hindsight that Putin was going to do this all along, and the only reason he waited until after the election was the hope that a Trump victory would lead to an even weaker NATO before he launched.
Nope.
For the record, I hope Biden is a one term president, albeit that has little to do with what’s going on in this thread. I hope the Democrats can come up with a better option for 2024, but I’m not sure what that is.
Yes, I’ve typically voted Democratic, but politics hadn’t ever been a binary, zero-sum, cult for me.
I never said a word about the Ukraine invasion was merely commenting on you and how there are people on the far left just the same as far right of which I am Neither that will blindly follow
That makes zero sense, but that's what I expect from Trumpsters.
Exactly. Putin is most fundamentally at war with the United States. When Trump said in Finland he trusted Putin more than his own intelligence organizations, Putin knew that Trump was his pawn just as Trump knows his followers are his pawns.
Putin sneers at Trump in private because he knows Trump is a spineless chickenshit. #BoneSpurs
There certainly is an anti-Trump cult. There's no denying that.
Cults require a cult leader. Who would be the anti-Trump cult leader? There isn't any because there is no anti-Trump cult.
Who says a cult needs a leader? Is that your rule?
You can have a cult built around a belief.
I think you are correct. There really isn't such a thing as an "anti" cult. When you see what appears to be an "anti" cult, it's really just a personality cult disguised. For example, militant atheists who behave like a cult aren't really anti-God as much as they are pro-Dawkins and pro-Hitchens.
Actually, by definition, you cannot. A cult requires a object of worship. However, it's true that you don't necessarily need a human leader. Cults are most famously built around human individuals, but they can also be built around physical objects.
That's in opposition to what Aloha said. He said you need a leader.
Anti-Trumpism is a religion.
cult
kŭlt
noun
- A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
- The followers of such a religion or sect.
- A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
And technically, he's wrong. You almost always have a leader, but you don't actually need one. You simply need an object of worship. That object of worship is usually an individual, and that individual is usually a leader, but it doesn't have to be.
Anyone who votes against their beliefs or best interests because they don't personally like the candidate is either stupid or hypnotized by some kind of cult or media message.
I'll be kind and say they are easily manipulated by the media. Ex: Russian Collusion Hoax.
You can argue whether or not that's stupid, but it's not remotely cult-like. Best to reserve words for what they actually mean.
I don't think either of you really have any idea WTH hell you are talking about or attempting too. I think of horses pulling buggies with blinders on when I read your posts
LOL. Okay.
My favorite is those who claim that atheism is a religion, too.