Iran just attacked U.S. base in Qatar hope Netanyahoo is awake so he can tell TACO

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

That's just Trump's style. It is what it is at this point.

If the price for taking out Iran’s nuclear program and head of the IRGC is some telegraphed attacks that allow Iran to attempt to save some face.

I would think we’re all willing to accept that bargain. This is shaping up exactly like taking out Soleimani.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Here are the bunker-buster bombs used on Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility

The GBU-57 A/B, weighing roughly 30,000 pounds, is a precision-guided bomb capable of penetrating about 200 feet below the surface before exploding.

www.defensenews.com

How the US bombarded Iranian nuclear sites while avoiding detection

Taking off from the U.S. heartland, B-2 stealth bombers, aided by refueling tankers and fighter jets, delivered a total of 420,000 pounds of explosives.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[Ohio Guy]

ICE is trying to conduct massive deportation operations on a scale that hasn’t been seen in decades. So they demand a bigger budget.

Noem and the other guy aside there are 10’s of thousands at DHS and FBI who are trying to ward off terrorist threats and by all evidence they are operating more effectively than the last administration. FBI has already nabbed three people on the ten most wanted list correct? I believe that figure was four for the entire duration of the last administration. Likely not a huge crossover between them and 1/6’ers.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. Noem and the other guy aren’t perfect, they’re a massive improvement.

They might demand a bigger budget, but that still needs to be approved by congress.

This snipet from Chris Murphy addressing Noem at the U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security in May reveals either her lack of knowledge and/or disregard for the laws she's supposed to uphold:

“You're on track to trigger the Anti-Deficiency Act. That means you are going to spend more money than you have been allocated by Congress. This is a rare occurrence, and it is wildly illegal. Your agency will be broke by July, over two months before the end of the fiscal year. You may not think that Congress has provided enough money to ICE, but the Constitution and the federal law doesn’t allow you to spend more money than you've been given, or to invent money. And this obsession with spending at the border, as the Chairwoman mentioned, has left the country unprotected elsewhere. The security threats to the United States are higher, not lower, than before Trump came to office. To fund the border, you have illegally gutted spending for cybersecurity. As we speak, Russian and Chinese hackers are having a field day attacking our nation. You have withdrawn funds for disaster prevention. Storms are going to kill more people in this country because of your illegal withholding of these funds. Your myopia about the border, fueled by President Trump's prejudice against people who speak a different language, has shattered many of this country's most important defenses.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

They might demand a bigger budget, but that still needs to be approved by congress.

This snipet from Chris Murphy addressing Noem at the U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Homeland Security in May reveals either her lack of knowledge and/or disregard for the laws she's supposed to uphold:

“You're on track to trigger the Anti-Deficiency Act. That means you are going to spend more money than you have been allocated by Congress. This is a rare occurrence, and it is wildly illegal. Your agency will be broke by July, over two months before the end of the fiscal year. You may not think that Congress has provided enough money to ICE, but the Constitution and the federal law doesn’t allow you to spend more money than you've been given, or to invent money. And this obsession with spending at the border, as the Chairwoman mentioned, has left the country unprotected elsewhere. The security threats to the United States are higher, not lower, than before Trump came to office. To fund the border, you have illegally gutted spending for cybersecurity. As we speak, Russian and Chinese hackers are having a field day attacking our nation. You have withdrawn funds for disaster prevention. Storms are going to kill more people in this country because of your illegal withholding of these funds. Your myopia about the border, fueled by President Trump's prejudice against people who speak a different language, has shattered many of this country's most important defenses.

I try not to be won over by BS moral grandstanding at Senate hearings, but you do you.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I try not to be won over by BS moral grandstanding at Senate hearings, but you do you.

Meh....we're still a nation of laws and Murphy wasn't wrong.

 

[SqueakyClean]

If the price for taking out Iran’s nuclear program and head of the IRGC is some telegraphed attacks that allow Iran to attempt to save some face.

I would think we’re all willing to accept that bargain. This is shaping up exactly like taking out Soleimani.

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

 

[Ohio Guy]

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

I have no idea how it will play out, but I totally get what you're saying. If Trump really just wanted to let them have their little moment and move past this, maybe spiking the football in the f*$king faces wasn't the best move:

"Iran has officially responded to our Obliteration of their Nuclear Facilities with a very weak response, which we expected, and have very effectively countered. There have been 14 missiles fired — 13 were knocked down, and 1 was “set free,” because it was headed in a nonthreatening direction. I am pleased to report that NO Americans were harmed, and hardly any damage was done. Most importantly, they’ve gotten it all out of their “system,” and there will, hopefully, be no further HATE. I want to thank Iran for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost, and nobody to be injured. Perhaps Iran can now proceed to Peace and Harmony in the Region, and I will enthusiastically encourage Israel to do the same. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Meh....we're still a nation of laws and Murphy wasn't wrong.

Agencies frequently run over budget and re-allocate funds. Murphy was being extremely selective and disingenuous.

He also scaremongered….. a lot.

That kind of stuff is good red meat to partisan constituents, but ultimately meaningless.

 

[IUNorth]

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

Some seem to be falling in to the trap of actually believing the words that come out of our President's mouth, or from his phone?! Its been some time in this country since we should feel comfortable believing what our POTUS is telling us...speeches or social media alike. Probably since January of 2017, or so.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

I don’t think the Iranian people broadly are as jihadist as you portray them here.

The strikes are more for the mullah’s to save face internationally.

The same exact scenario played out after Soleimani. This leads me to conclude, the Iranian regime is scared of Trump.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I know it's been reported that Iran gave US advance notice of launching their missiles at our base in Qatar. It was good that we had time to evacuate all personnel and to take countermeasures. I'm not disputing that.

It's just seems weird to thank someone for giving you a heads up that they're going to try to blow up some of your property.

It's info warfare. They did the strike to look strong at home. Trump cut them off at the neck with this statement.

 

[BradStevens]

I don't like the idea of the US getting into even a proxy war that involves China and/or Russia. I fear that president TACO and his administration would get played beyond belief if that played out.

That said, I share your concern about this impacting American lives. All major US cities were on high alert this weekend. Forgive me, but I don't have a lot of faith in Kristi Noem and Thomas freakin' Fugate to prevent a terror attack.

You're using the TACO moniker in a thread related to Trump's decision to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Odd choice.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[BradStevens]

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

They'll just call Trump a liar.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Where have you been? We’ve been in a proxy war with Russia for three years.

He doesn’t count that

 

[BadWakeboarder]

You're using the TACO moniker in a thread related to Trump's decision to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Odd choice.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

He’s not a serious person. Rampant TDS.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Some seem to be falling in to the trap of actually believing the words that come out of our President's mouth, or from his phone?! It’s been some time in this country since we should feel comfortable believing what our POTUS is telling us...speeches or social media alike. Probably since January of 2017, or so.

Remember when one said you could keep your doctor? Or does that not count?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

The problem is, if it becomes public knowledge that Iran warned us, doesn't that kinda undermine the concept of a retaliation strike? I mean, is that really going to make the Iranian people happy knowing that their response, even knowing that it was relatively just a token gesture, is further meaningless because it didn't even kill a single infidel? (Saying that from the Iranian perspective).

I mean, what’s Iran gonna do? They can’t do anything and Russia and China ain’t getting involved.

 

[StollCpaGoat]

how to respond

What do you think of the ceasefire?

 

[StollCpaGoat]

If the price for taking out Iran’s nuclear program and head of the IRGC is some telegraphed attacks that allow Iran to attempt to save some face.

I would think we’re all willing to accept that bargain. This is shaping up exactly like taking out Soleimani.

Not from idiots.

 

[ulrey]

I’m sure Harris or Biden would have been so much better

Don’t.

 

[UncleMark]

Remember when one said you could keep your doctor? Or does that not count?

Nothing in the ACA caused doctors to refuse to accept the coverage made available through the exchanges.

 

[StollCpaGoat]

Nothing in the ACA caused doctors to refuse to accept the coverage made available through the exchanges.

Accept payments that were unprofitable.

 

[SqueakyClean]

What do you think of the ceasefire?

What ceasefire?

 

[IUNorth]

Remember when one said you could keep your doctor? Or does that not count?

I don't think a "lie scoreboard" is necessary with Obama and Biden/Trump... do you? Trump normalized lying. Biden continued it. Now Trump is beyond any level of reproach with it, it seems.

And doctor's decisions after ACA was enacted were very wide ranging. I suspect Obama knew the potential ramifications though, so there's 1... sort of... and I'm sure there are more examples. But by and large, despite not agreeing with many of the things he said, I don't remember being overly skeptical of Obama outright lying to "us".

 

[Ohio Guy]

I don't think a "lie scoreboard" is necessary with Obama and Biden/Trump... do you? Trump normalized lying. Biden continued it. Now Trump is beyond any level of reproach with it, it seems.

And doctor's decisions after ACA was enacted were very wide ranging. I suspect Obama knew the potential ramifications though, so there's 1... sort of... and I'm sure there are more examples. But by and large, despite not agreeing with many of the things he said, I don't remember being overly skeptical of Obama outright lying to "us".

I think I'm on the same page with you. I'd guess every president in my lifetime has been accused of lying to the public at some point. And for the most part, those accusations were valid. And campaign trail promises should always be looked at with more than a hint of skepticism.

That said, Trump takes lying to a whole new level. Almost everything he talks about publicly is based on lies. And oftentimes they're easily refutable. His claims that he's better at everything than any president in history, or that he's presided over the best economy in US history or that no one can run the country better than him are just the baseline. Throw in frivolous (and vanity) lying like saying he's at the height and weight of DK Metcalf or that people tell him he looks like Elvis and it's pathological even before you get to day to day lying about policy and decision making.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

I think I'm on the same page with you. I'd guess every president in my lifetime has been accused of lying to the public at some point. And for the most part, those accusations were valid. And campaign trail promises should always be looked at with more than a hint of skepticism.

That said, Trump takes lying to a whole new level. Almost everything he talks about publicly is based on lies. And oftentimes they're easily refutable. His claims that he's better at everything than any president in history, or that he's presided over the best economy in US history or that no one can run the country better than him are just the baseline. Throw in frivolous (and vanity) lying like saying he's at the height and weight of DK Metcalf or that people tell him he looks like Elvis and it's pathological even before you get to day to day lying about policy and decision making.

You don't think his bootlickers tell him he looks like elvis?

He may not be lying about some of the ass kissing that people around him are doing.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Nothing in the ACA caused doctors to refuse to accept the coverage made available through the exchanges.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Countless people had to change doctors as a result of physicians not agreeing to reimbursement rates. Countless.

I don’t have the same bogeyman fears of the ACA that most conservatives do, but to say that Obama didn’t lie (either knowingly or unknowingly) about causing changes to care providers is ignorance climaxed.

The point is that all modern politicians are full of shit but most of the shitlibs in here pretend Trump invented lying.

 

[BradStevens]

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Countless people had to change doctors as a result of physicians not agreeing to reimbursement rates. Countless.

He's saying the law didn't force the doctors not to agree to the lower reimbursement rates.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

He's saying the law didn't force the doctors not to agree to the lower reimbursement rates.

Sure. If one didn’t understand simple economics, I can see thinking that way.

 

[UncleMark]

He's saying the law didn't force the doctors not to agree to the lower reimbursement rates.

Sure. If one didn’t understand simple economics, I can see thinking that way.

You can keep your doctor, but he might not want to keep you.

 

[Spartans9312]

You can keep your doctor, but he might not want to keep you.

Most people couldn’t even keep their plan that the doctor had a contract to accept.

 

[UncleMark]

Most people couldn’t even keep their plan that the doctor had a contract to accept.

That was the whole point.

 

[Spartans9312]

That was the whole point.

To cost middle class American workers vast sums of money?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

You can keep your doctor, but he might not want to keep you.

This is exceptionally daft. The ACA forced many people out of their physician group that they’ve been a part of for years. Obama lied - again either wittingly or unwittingly. Was it their doctor’s decision? Probably - but it’s because conditions were set by the legislation and resultant economics.

Or do you tell your friends that the US didn’t really have to respond to Pearl Harbor in the way we did?

 

[IUNorth]

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Countless people had to change doctors as a result of physicians not agreeing to reimbursement rates. Countless.

I don’t have the same bogeyman fears of the ACA that most conservatives do, but to say that Obama didn’t lie (either knowingly or unknowingly) about causing changes to care providers is ignorance climaxed.

The point is that all modern politicians are full of shit but most of the shitlibs in here pretend Trump invented lying.

I think some of the ACA rhetoric, for sure, falls in to misleading, if not all out lying, on Obama's part.

And while I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, I'm sure there were many others. But over his 8 years... maybe a hundred? Doubt its that high, but maybe?

Trump's fact checks are measured in multiples of 1,000. Its normalized now. Most have stopped even checking or worrying about it. For many, its become "endearing".

The my original point... its to the point where many people just took him at his word that Israel and Iran have agreed to, and will abide by a ceasefire. When they don't, there will be no real pushback on Trump. He knows that... he'll actually continue to get credit for "stopping" their war. And if there's any sort of acknowledgment on Trump's part that there hasn't been a ceasefire, it will assuredly be because of Obama/Biden's decisions to give them money. And that will then be accepted.

Its really difficult to keep up with. But we're stepping closer to the edge of what really my only legit fear was of another Trump Presidency.

So... again... I don't know why or how it will work, but I hope it does.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

I think some of the ACA rhetoric, for sure, falls in to misleading, if not all out lying, on Obama's part.

And while I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, I'm sure there were many others. But over his 8 years... maybe a hundred? Doubt its that high, but maybe?

Trump's fact checks are measured in multiples of 1,000. Its normalized now. Most have stopped even checking or worrying about it. For many, its become "endearing".

The my original point... its to the point where many people just took him at his word that Israel and Iran have agreed to, and will abide by a ceasefire. When they don't, there will be no real pushback on Trump. He knows that... he'll actually continue to get credit for "stopping" their war. And if there's any sort of acknowledgment on Trump's part that there hasn't been a ceasefire, it will assuredly be because of Obama/Biden's decisions to give them money. And that will then be accepted.

Its really difficult to keep up with. But we're stepping closer to the edge of what really my only legit fear was of another Trump Presidency.

So... again... I don't know why or how it will work, but I hope it does.

It’ll all be fine. They’re all liars and narcissists. It’s a requirement of the job. The TDS and ODS just ruins lives and relationships and ain’t nobody got time for that.

 

[IUNorth]

It’ll all be fine. They’re all liars and narcissists. It’s a requirement of the job. The TDS and ODS just ruins lives and relationships and ain’t nobody got time for that.

Maybe they all are, maybe not. There's never been as big of a liar or narcissist...ever... in the Oval Office than Trump though. Does the degree matter, when they all inherently do lie and protect themselves first and foremost? I kinda think it does.

And I have always been in the camp that in the end, we'll all "be fine". But I think he's approaching some situations that could challenge that. And I don't trust his abilities to manage those situations...like at all.

But like I've said in many posts now, I do hope it all works.

 

[snarlcakes]

To cost middle class American workers vast sums of money?

Obamacare was a major tax increase for the middle and working classes. Of course he lied and said it wasn't and would lower healthcare costs🙄

 

[IUNorth]

And now intel is suggesting the bombs didn't do what they were intended to do... do I believe Trump? Or the reports of the Intel? Hmmm???

Obviously doesn't matter. The truth, and then how everyone responds to the truth, are what matters. I seriously question that Trump allows truths, when they're in opposition to his intentions, to enter in to his tent though.

 

[IUNorth]

Obamacare was a major tax increase for the middle and working classes. Of course he lied and said it wasn't and would lower healthcare costs🙄

Ehh... kinda. The trajectory of rising health care costs, has been made in to a less steep hill most of us are on, since ACA. Very few saw their increase trajectory get more steep, compared to historical trends leading up to ACA.