I don't know a lot about weed but I don't see how it or your concerns are any different than for alcohol
Indiana Jails
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The question for us in northern climates, is sleeping outdoors in winter a potential risk to self?
Alcohol metabolizes out of your system much quicker than weed. If a worker drinks a six-pack on their day off the worker will be clean. Not so with weed.
"For daily users, cannabis may be detectable for several months after last use. The longest-reported detection times are more than 90 days."
I know that. I guess I'm missing why it matters? If they show up and do a shitty job are you saying it's harder to fire them because you can't test them in a timely fashion?
I’m saying weed excludes people from a lot of jobs. Pharmacy techs is one of those. Meanwhile we have labor shortages.
The Indy Star has an article out about how overcrowded Indiana jails are becoming.
Since 2000, the state’s jail population has grown by 60%, according to 2019 federal data — more than five times the state’s overall population growth. But it's not like Indiana has been overrun by hardened criminals.Indiana's jails are largely filled with people arrested on relatively minor charges and often related to drugs, mental illness, the inability to afford bail or a failure to follow rules of probation. They are complicated, sometimes overlapping issues, exacerbated by a drastic shortage of state psychiatric hospital beds and the transfer of thousands of state prisoners into already crowded local jails since 2014.The story suggests most people in jail are not violent offenders, they are the drug addicts and the mentally ill. And many jails lack any ability to treat either. A money line was " 'Punishment is easy', Henry said. 'Changing lives is hard.' "
The article recalls the closing of the large state mental health facilities, and that has been a problem. All we have done is transfer the mentally ill to the criminal justice system which was never designed to handle that issue. But the Supreme Court made that choice so there isn't much to do there.
But there has to be some way of treating the addict, or counseling the mentally ill rather than lock them up. We probably can't afford to build a new jail in every county. But we all know cases where people who do commit violent crimes are let loose early and do them again. Those are the people that need to stay locked away, not a simple drug addict or even a drug seller (as long as no violent history).
Bigger jails stand as monuments to Indiana's failures as incarceration rate keeps climbing
Indiana's jails are largely filled with people arrested on relatively minor charges and often related to drugs or mental illness.www.indystar.com
Bigger picture: Americans are just punitive by nature. the psychotic bootstrap ethos we pay billionaires to feed us is the problem IMO. The programming is so severe that the middle-class actual feels righteous in keeping our perpetual untouchables dumb and arrestable.
Strangely, there are places in the world where the decision to arrest and imprison someone is a big deal. And where imprisoned people are treated like people who will live amongst us again. Very strange.
Sure, some percentage of any tribe will always be irrevocable but it is weird that our prison rates tick toward what you might see in a one-party system. F*cking billionaires
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Yeah, we throw adults into prison; but make the offenders when they are kids. The smash and grab offenders are largely kids. Near my home we had three shooting incidents in 2 weeks where the shooters were teenagers and so were the victims. And they were all Black. The political and social elites preach that we can fix this by yapping about White Supremacy or something and by creating departments of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in all of our institutions. All of that is bullshit. By the time these kids are adults, most of them are dead or headed to jail. Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion won't help them. It's all about the kids. Young kids don't know supremacy or diversity from a sack of potatoes. But they know about gangs, guns, and drugs. I have no idea what billionaires have to do with any of this.
What on Earth are you talking about?This is your go to station. He was connected to Cuomo who I am gueesing you watched nightly. A couple of real winners!
CNN Fires Senior Producer Charged with Luring Children into ‘Sexual Subservience’ Training
Former anchor Chris Cuomo's senior producer John Griffin was fired from CNN on Monday after he was indicted for baiting young girls into "sexual subservience" training at his Vermont residence.news.yahoo.com
You nailed it! It’s a Class War disguised as a Culture War. And, no offense, but I think you’ve fallen for it….
March on, or whatever…
LOL yes crime is a product of our punitive inclinations and billionaires. Never accountability and personal responsibility. Good grief. People who are in jail, absent very serious shit, have been given ample opportunities to stay out of jail. It's that they do bad shit. That has zero to do with billionaires and our punitive nature.
Punishment isn't the problem. How to stop the behavior is the problem.
I don’t totally disagree but ever wonder why the US, of all rich countries, stays locked in this particular cycle?
the best part about culture warriors is they don’t know know they are culture warriors. Lolzzz
Don’t forget most of those in prison are there because of ineffective lawyers and/ or they are innocent.
Ah yes. Ineffective assistance of counsel on my car theft charge under the 7 Eleven camera that captured my facial tattoo
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welp, I clearly stumbled in on two guys hard at work fixing America’s ills. Lol
the solution for ineffective criminal justice is always more criminal justice.
naw, you know the system. You just can’t imagine anything else. And that’s where the US education system fails even the middle class…
LMAO. The solution for ineffective criminal justice is fewer criminals and less crime. Maybe you think the criminal justice system seizes kids when they are 6 years old and turns them into criminals, but I don‘t.
Fails the middle class?. Okay I am tapping out. I understood every word you wrote but the order you put them in leaves me confused.
Carry on - be the voice of change
Haha. it basically does when you seize one of that kid’s parents for being non-violent but dumb as a box of rocks.
sure thing. And you keep solving societies problems with your grandpa’s playbook.
Mhmmm. You sound very young - and inexperienced. I read your post above re nonviolent. It's meaningless. Just feelings.
Going to prison for first time nonviolent minor offenses isn't a problem in America. I don't think you have a clue how many criminals never see a minute of jail time. I don't think you understand how much it takes for nonviolent minor criminals to go to jail. You have to **** up over and over and over again before you go. Hell the prosecutors in the highest crime cities are largely black.
A first time D or E felony is VERY unlikely to see a minute of jail time.
I'll be blunt - you don't know what you are talking about. We have a crime problem. Not a justice problem. Stop making excuses for people.
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Mhmmm. You sound very young - and inexperienced. I read your post above re nonviolent. It's meaningless. Just feelings.
So you’re saying we should be grateful we aren’t sending more people to prison? Lol
and one has to be young to use words like “non-violence”?
No one’s making excuses. Do the crime, do the time. But maybe there is a better way? Sorry, I know that would entail “change”.
Describe it. Use your words. Be very specific. What bonds/sentencing/probation/revocations do you want changed and what will replace them?
i just did. Vote somewhere in the middle of “lock them all up” and “ let them all out”. Vote for someone with the balls to take a new approach. Don’t have that option to vote for? Demand it.
What you absolutely can’t do is walk around normalizing the ridiculous messaging we’re bombarded w every day. The culture warrior BS. I know, I know, you alone are immune to news outlets telling you that everyone is either a criminal or a victim, and that it’s normal in a society for 1% to own half of everything and have outlandish political influence…
So you can't. I knew you wouldn't be able to. The reality is the devil is in the details. If you can't speak to the specific changes you would make you're just sharing your uniformed feelings.
You want more for profit private probation? Put every nonviolent in a scram? What? You have to be specific or it's just bullshit talk.
Oh pulease. Now who is engaging in stupid culture stereotypes? If you think the crime problem grows out of locking up non-violent offenders, you are way to naive to carry on here.
no, I really can. We need to change from the punitive mindset first or the details are gonna look awfully familiar. Yuck
What are you talking about now? Locking up parents who abuse their kids, kids of their bf/gf or spouses is a good thing.
Here is what the Star's story I linked said, bolding mine:
Since 2000, the state’s jail population has grown by 60%, according to 2019 federal data — more than five times the state’s overall population growth. But it's not like Indiana has been overrun by hardened criminals.
Indiana's jails are largely filled with people arrested on relatively minor charges and often related to drugs, mental illness, the inability to afford bail or a failure to follow rules of probation. They are complicated, sometimes overlapping issues, exacerbated by a drastic shortage of state psychiatric hospital beds and the transfer of thousands of state prisoners into already crowded local jails since 2014.
In his defense, he is probably typing one handed. The other hand is busy with his Brother.
That still doesn't tell us anything. Arrested on relatively minor charges...for the 5th time? Arrested on minor charges after violating probation three times? Or where they missed the third date for the probation revocation hearing? Again, I have sat through probably close to a thousand criminal dockets. Literally. People are not going to jail for first time minor offenses. Hell I can tell you by rote what you get for this stuff. Under 35 pot a fine, and amended down to nothing on your record. 1st time DWI a suspended imposition of sentence that goes away after 2 years of nonreporting probation. 2 DWI a suspended execution of sentence. No jail. Felony dwi you will do about 30 days.
All these newspapers are bs. And the idea that they are all mental patients is ridiculous. They are criminals who know what they are doing. Many are of course drug addicts. Maybe most. And I don't believe they don't know "the rules." These people are very familiar with how it all works.
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