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Incident in Sweden

Between Bowling Green, Atlanta, and now this, things are getting downright scary.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._to_believe_there_was_a_terror_attack_in.html

Maybe it was the multiple DUI incidences in Kiruna? He may have thought DUI stood for some Northern Swedish terrorist group?

Volvos are known for their safety for a reason -- why do you need so much safety unless its dangerous to start with! Sweden must be the most dangerous country in the world, after the USA of course. Stockholm is akin to Chicago.

Trump knows! (More than Bo)
 
I honestly don't understand how he just totally makes this type of thing up or why. I truly have never met anyone that lies the way he does. No wonder he has no true friends or allies.
 
I honestly don't understand how he just totally makes this type of thing up or why. I truly have never met anyone that lies the way he does. No wonder he has no true friends or allies.

He has lied so much in the past but it hasnt made a difference to the election result... so why not lie to get the right short term effects? He doesn't want to be a president anyway -- more like an emperor. Let the plebs do the work whilst he cut ribbons and soak in the adulations.
 
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He fabricates stuff off the top of his head without ever attempting to check it out before speaking it.
 
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Possible Swedish terrorists
 
Trump is a total buffoon, but not sure why everyone acts like Sweden is some semblance of Utopia these days. Mass refugee and migrant acceptance has caused some serious problems, just as it has in Germany, France, etc.



Then there was this recent atrocity:

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/...oman-in-sweden-broadcast-it-live-on-facebook/
Thump may have been unclear, but Sweden is experiencing a migrant crime wave.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-sweden-experiencing-migrant-crime-wave.html
 
I'll give Sweden props for trying to help their fellow man even though it may be inconvenient and costly to them.
 
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Trump is using Sweden as an example of what happens when you don't vet immigrants, so as to use Sweden's problems to support his immigration ban.

The key question, however, is how does Sweden's vetting compare with ours?

My neighbor, who is really careless about his home security (think Sweden), had a break in recently. Home security vendors have been bombarding the neighborhood with fear tactics as a result. Should I be concerned and spend money when my security has been more than adequate in the past?
 
Trump is using Sweden as an example of what happens when you don't vet immigrants, so as to use Sweden's problems to support his immigration ban.

The key question, however, is how does Sweden's vetting compare with ours?

My neighbor, who is really careless about his home security (think Sweden), had a break in recently. Home security vendors have been bombarding the neighborhood with fear tactics as a result. Should I be concerned and spend money when my security has been more than adequate in the past?
It is not possible to "vet" refugees from countries like Syria. If there are migrants coming from Aleppo, Who do you contact for background checks? ISIS? The Assad government?
 
It is not possible to "vet" refugees from countries like Syria. If there are migrants coming from Aleppo, Who do you contact for background checks? ISIS? The Assad government?

Boris, think you'll find this article about the vetting process prior to Trump interesting.

The refugees being discussed are in the Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan -- about seven miles from the Syrian border. They could very well have come from Aleppo. There are 80,000 Syrian refugees living in tiny, steel boxes as far as the eye can see.

The camp run by the U.N. sprang out of the Jordanian desert in 2012 as millions of refugees poured out of Syria. It’s now the largest Syrian refugee camp in the Middle East.

The article in part states the following about the vetting process,

Every single refugee is interviewed in detail multiple times by the U.N. for their vital statistics: where they came from, who they know.

Their irises are scanned to establish their identity.

And then they wait for the chance the U.N. might refer them to the United States. Less than one percent have had that chance.

For that one percent the next step has been this State Department resettlement center in Amman for a background check led by specially trained Department of Homeland Security interrogators.

All that information is then run though U.S. security databases for any red flags. To be a refugee in Jordan is to be patient. The U.S. security check goes on an average of 18-24 months.

Those who pass are then told to pack up for their new life in the United States.
 
I'll give Sweden props for trying to help their fellow man even though it may be inconvenient and costly to them.

Yea, it takes a big man to sit across the pond and give props. If you had a daughter in Sweden, Germany, etc., you'd be quite fearful.
 
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Yea, it takes a big man to sit across the pond and give props. If you had a daughter in Sweden, Germany, etc., you'd be quite fearful.

Germany and Sweden?

Heck, an American parent should be worried about a daughter at college right here in the U.S..

"Homegrown terrorists" with raging hormones fueled by drugs and alcohol.
 
Germany and Sweden?

Heck, an American parent should be worried about a daughter at college right here in the U.S..
"Homegrown terrorists" with raging hormones fueled by drugs and alcohol.
Point well made. The statistics are pretty appalling.
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf
"In a nationally representative survey of adults:
  • Nearly 1 in 5 (18.3%) women and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives.
  • Approximately 1 in 20 women and men (5.6% and 5.3%, respectively) experienced sexual violence other than rape, such as being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, in the 12 months prior to the survey.
  • 4.8% of men reported they were made to penetrate someone else at some time in their lives.
  • 13% of women and 6% of men reported they experienced sexual coercion at some time in their lives.
To get a sense of the magnitude of the problem:
  • During 2004-2006, an estimated 105,187 females and 6,526 males aged 10-24 years received medical care in U.S. emergency departments as a result of nonfatal injuries sustained from a sexual assault."
 
Germany and Sweden?

Heck, an American parent should be worried about a daughter at college right here in the U.S..

"Homegrown terrorists" with raging hormones fueled by drugs and alcohol.

While true, those homegrown terrorists are what they are. The only thing we can do is try and educate, impose harsher penalties (I'd be in favor of castration personally, but that wouldn't fly in today's snowflake world), etc.

It doesn't change the fact that hundreds (if not thousands) of European women have been assaulted (some even murdered) by anti-Western migrants given asylum. Those people wouldn't have otherwise been where they were without these special exceptions.
 
Point well made. The statistics are pretty appalling.
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf
"In a nationally representative survey of adults:
  • Nearly 1 in 5 (18.3%) women and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives.
  • Approximately 1 in 20 women and men (5.6% and 5.3%, respectively) experienced sexual violence other than rape, such as being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, in the 12 months prior to the survey.
  • 4.8% of men reported they were made to penetrate someone else at some time in their lives.
  • 13% of women and 6% of men reported they experienced sexual coercion at some time in their lives.
To get a sense of the magnitude of the problem:
  • During 2004-2006, an estimated 105,187 females and 6,526 males aged 10-24 years received medical care in U.S. emergency departments as a result of nonfatal injuries sustained from a sexual assault."

It is a huge epidemic. But, just because there is one doesn't mean there isn't another.

According to Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA) data (page 14), in 2013, migrants (Zuwanderer) committed 599 sex crimes, or an average of two a day. In 2014, migrants committed 949 sex crimes, or around three per day. In 2015, migrants committed 1,683 sex crimes, or around five per day. During the first three quarters of 2016, migrants committed 2,790 sex crimes, or around ten per day.

In fact, the actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany is at least two or three times higher than the official number. For example, only 10% of the sex crimes committed in Germany appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, head of the Criminal Police Association (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK).

In addition, the BKA data includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to police statistics, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote).

Moreover, BKA crime statistics do not include data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and the one with the largest number of migrants, or from Hamburg, the second-largest city in the country.
 
I'll give Sweden props for trying to help their fellow man even though it may be inconvenient and costly to them.

Yea, it takes a big man to sit across the pond and give props. If you had a daughter in Sweden, Germany, etc., you'd be quite fearful.
Half of our junior class is in Europe, some in Germany, some in Sweden, all over. No one seems frightened. Just like in US, hopefully they are aware of their surroundings and being cautious. But you are correct, there can be a problem both places.
 
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Point well made. The statistics are pretty appalling.
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf
"In a nationally representative survey of adults:
  • Nearly 1 in 5 (18.3%) women and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) reported experiencing rape at some time in their lives.
  • Approximately 1 in 20 women and men (5.6% and 5.3%, respectively) experienced sexual violence other than rape, such as being made to penetrate someone else, sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, in the 12 months prior to the survey.
  • 4.8% of men reported they were made to penetrate someone else at some time in their lives.
  • 13% of women and 6% of men reported they experienced sexual coercion at some time in their lives.
To get a sense of the magnitude of the problem:
  • During 2004-2006, an estimated 105,187 females and 6,526 males aged 10-24 years received medical care in U.S. emergency departments as a result of nonfatal injuries sustained from a sexual assault."
Being on a college campus, I've tried to bring up this discussion here multiple times. Front page of IDS today has another IU student charged with rape. The comments that come when I mention the statistics is that people think they are inflated ( actually rape is under reported) or discussion about men falsely accused of rape. It happens, but not nearly as often as many perceived. That would be my biggest fear if I had a college aged student.
 
It is a huge epidemic. But, just because there is one doesn't mean there isn't another.

According to Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA) data (page 14), in 2013, migrants (Zuwanderer) committed 599 sex crimes, or an average of two a day. In 2014, migrants committed 949 sex crimes, or around three per day. In 2015, migrants committed 1,683 sex crimes, or around five per day. During the first three quarters of 2016, migrants committed 2,790 sex crimes, or around ten per day.

In fact, the actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany is at least two or three times higher than the official number. For example, only 10% of the sex crimes committed in Germany appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, head of the Criminal Police Association (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK).

In addition, the BKA data includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to police statistics, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote).

Moreover, BKA crime statistics do not include data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and the one with the largest number of migrants, or from Hamburg, the second-largest city in the country.
Thanks for the links but they are in German and that is just one of many languages I don't know. Got any reputable studies in English? In the U.S. there doesn't seem to be any evidence of higher crime rates from immigrants as has been discussed in other threads.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
Check this out about Germany and scroll down to find out about Sweden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Germany
http://www.juancole.com/2017/02/invents-sweden-immigrant.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/refugees-crime-rumors/480171/
"Recent numbers from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Agency (BKA) suggest that the influx of refugees into the country this fall had a low impact on crime numbers relative to the natural uptick that would happen with any population increase: Although the number of refugees in the country increased by 440 percent between 2014 and 2015, the number of crimes committed by refugees only increased by 79 percent. (The number of crimes against refugees increased as well.) Furthermore, according to Deutsche Welle’s analysis of the report, the number of offenses increased in the first half of 2015 but “stagnated” in the second half, precisely when most of the refugees were arriving and the rumor mill switched into overdrive. And although sexual offenses account for over 25 percent of the rumors on the Hoaxmap, the BKA data showed that only 1 percent of refugee-related crimes fell into the sexual offense category."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/
"Sweden does indeed have far more reported cases of sexual assault than any other country. But it’s not because Swedes – of any colour – are very criminal. It’s because they’re very feminist. In 2005, Sweden’s Social Democratic government introduced a new sex-crime law with the world’s most expansive definition of rape.

Imagine, for example, if your boss rubbed against you in an unwanted way at work once a week for a year. In Canada, this would potentially be a case of sexual assault. Under Germany’s more limited laws, it would be zero cases. In Sweden, it would be tallied as 52 separate cases of rape. If you engaged in a half-dozen sex acts with your spouse, then later you felt you had not given consent, in Sweden that would be classified as six cases of rape.

The marked increase in rape cases during the 2000s is almost entirely a reflection of Sweden’s deep public interest in sexual equality and the rights of women, not of attacks by newcomers.

But aren’t refugees and immigrants responsible for a greater share of Sweden’s sexual assaults?

In a sense. Statistics show that the foreign-born in Sweden, as in most European countries, do have a higher rate of criminal charges than the native-born, in everything from shoplifting to murder (though not enough to affect the crime rate by more than a tiny margin). The opposite is true in North America, where immigrants have lower-than-average crime rates.

Why the difference? Because people who go to Sweden are poorer, and crime rates are mostly a product not of ethnicity but of class. In a 2013 analysis of 63,000 Swedish residents, Prof. Sarnecki and his colleagues found that 75 per cent of the difference in foreign-born crime is accounted for by income and neighbourhood, both indicators of poverty. Among the Swedish-born children of immigrants, the crime rate falls in half (and is almost entirely concentrated in lesser property crimes) and is 100-per-cent attributable to class – they are no more likely to commit crimes, including rape, than ethnic Swedes of the same family income.

What also stands out is that almost all the victims of these crimes – especially sex crimes – are also foreign-born. But for a handful of headline-grabbing atrocities, it isn’t a case of swarthy men preying on white women, but of Sweden’s system turning refugees into victims of crime."
 
Boris, think you'll find this article about the vetting process prior to Trump interesting.

The refugees being discussed are in the Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan -- about seven miles from the Syrian border. They could very well have come from Aleppo. There are 80,000 Syrian refugees living in tiny, steel boxes as far as the eye can see.

The camp run by the U.N. sprang out of the Jordanian desert in 2012 as millions of refugees poured out of Syria. It’s now the largest Syrian refugee camp in the Middle East.

The article in part states the following about the vetting process,

Every single refugee is interviewed in detail multiple times by the U.N. for their vital statistics: where they came from, who they know.

Their irises are scanned to establish their identity.

And then they wait for the chance the U.N. might refer them to the United States. Less than one percent have had that chance.

For that one percent the next step has been this State Department resettlement center in Amman for a background check led by specially trained Department of Homeland Security interrogators.

All that information is then run though U.S. security databases for any red flags. To be a refugee in Jordan is to be patient. The U.S. security check goes on an average of 18-24 months.

Those who pass are then told to pack up for their new life in the United States.

Are you really that gullible? "Their irises are scanned to establish their identity" Explain that to me.

The UN do-gooders are in a frothing frenzy to unload these migrants onto a third world country. Their credibility is zero. And here is the reality of the "vetting" process:

https://www.rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/
 
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Are you really that gullible? "Their irises are scanned to establish their identity" Explain that to me.

The UN do-gooders are in a frothing frenzy to unload these migrants onto a third world country. Their credibility is zero. And here is the reality of the "vetting" process:

https://www.rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/
I see that you are directing us to the Russia Times. How did you come across this link?
 
Thanks for the links but they are in German and that is just one of many languages I don't know. Got any reputable studies in English? In the U.S. there doesn't seem to be any evidence of higher crime rates from immigrants as has been discussed in other threads.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
Check this out about Germany and scroll down to find out about Sweden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Germany
http://www.juancole.com/2017/02/invents-sweden-immigrant.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/refugees-crime-rumors/480171/
"Recent numbers from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Agency (BKA) suggest that the influx of refugees into the country this fall had a low impact on crime numbers relative to the natural uptick that would happen with any population increase: Although the number of refugees in the country increased by 440 percent between 2014 and 2015, the number of crimes committed by refugees only increased by 79 percent. (The number of crimes against refugees increased as well.) Furthermore, according to Deutsche Welle’s analysis of the report, the number of offenses increased in the first half of 2015 but “stagnated” in the second half, precisely when most of the refugees were arriving and the rumor mill switched into overdrive. And although sexual offenses account for over 25 percent of the rumors on the Hoaxmap, the BKA data showed that only 1 percent of refugee-related crimes fell into the sexual offense category."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/
"Sweden does indeed have far more reported cases of sexual assault than any other country. But it’s not because Swedes – of any colour – are very criminal. It’s because they’re very feminist. In 2005, Sweden’s Social Democratic government introduced a new sex-crime law with the world’s most expansive definition of rape.

Imagine, for example, if your boss rubbed against you in an unwanted way at work once a week for a year. In Canada, this would potentially be a case of sexual assault. Under Germany’s more limited laws, it would be zero cases. In Sweden, it would be tallied as 52 separate cases of rape. If you engaged in a half-dozen sex acts with your spouse, then later you felt you had not given consent, in Sweden that would be classified as six cases of rape.

The marked increase in rape cases during the 2000s is almost entirely a reflection of Sweden’s deep public interest in sexual equality and the rights of women, not of attacks by newcomers.

But aren’t refugees and immigrants responsible for a greater share of Sweden’s sexual assaults?

In a sense. Statistics show that the foreign-born in Sweden, as in most European countries, do have a higher rate of criminal charges than the native-born, in everything from shoplifting to murder (though not enough to affect the crime rate by more than a tiny margin). The opposite is true in North America, where immigrants have lower-than-average crime rates.

Why the difference? Because people who go to Sweden are poorer, and crime rates are mostly a product not of ethnicity but of class. In a 2013 analysis of 63,000 Swedish residents, Prof. Sarnecki and his colleagues found that 75 per cent of the difference in foreign-born crime is accounted for by income and neighbourhood, both indicators of poverty. Among the Swedish-born children of immigrants, the crime rate falls in half (and is almost entirely concentrated in lesser property crimes) and is 100-per-cent attributable to class – they are no more likely to commit crimes, including rape, than ethnic Swedes of the same family income.

What also stands out is that almost all the victims of these crimes – especially sex crimes – are also foreign-born. But for a handful of headline-grabbing atrocities, it isn’t a case of swarthy men preying on white women, but of Sweden’s system turning refugees into victims of crime."

Yikes. This opinion piece from the Globe and Mail makes a broad claim about North American crime and immigrants and uses a study that limits its research to Canadian property crimes as support.

The difference between you and I is only our perception of fairness. I am not suggesting, as Trump did, that immigrants necessarily bring more violence or harm than domestic born people. In other words, I wouldn't expect (or hope) to see crimes committed by migrants increase on a 1:1 ratio with population inflow.

As I mentioned in other thread that received zero response, my issue is the responsibility of local, state and national governments to protect their citizens, constituents and taxpayers (yes, I realize that is largely redundant). By allowing a massive influx of migrants, there have been many women sexually assaulted, raped and murdered that otherwise would (likely) not have been.

In my view, leadership in Europe chose a humanitarian approach over a common sense approach. Protecting foreigners at the expense of its own people is exactly why so-called Populism has risen strongly in recent months.
 
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