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Just because you don’t kill someone after planning to doesn’t make you innocent. Trump obviously planned to withhold funding in return of a favor and just because he ultimately didn’t carry it out doesn’t mean he’s innocent. His intent was an abuse of power and basically makes it look like the American government is corrupt or it at least is willing to entertain corruption. Bribery is corruption.
So politicians and business people, from the beginning of time on up thru the next 11 years when the world ends from AGW, make deals and bargains among themselves and have conversations about the parameters involved and its all ok EXCEPT for that one time Trump was on the phone with the Ukrainian president.

Riiiiiiiiight.

This stuff has been going on for 3 years straight. People are really tired of it. The Democratic party clearly has nothing else to offer.
I have no idea what I just read. It’s incomprehensible. Try dealing with reality and get back to me. The only thing I can get from what you wrote is, “everyone is corrupt and has been so since time began, but Trump is the only one who is being called on it.”

Is that what you’re trying to say?
 
I have no idea what I just read. It’s incomprehensible. Try dealing with reality and get back to me. The only thing I can get from what you wrote is, “everyone is corrupt and has been so since time began, but Trump is the only one who is being called on it.”

Is that what you’re trying to say?
"Tell Vlad I'll be more flexible after the election."
 
Lindsay Graham: "I made up my mind. There's nothing there."

Was that Lindsay Graham's opening statement? If he was/is being honest, I'm sure that it very well could have been.

The only farce in these hearings involve the fact that Graham, Jordan et al don't really care about anything said in these hearings. Their mind was made up as soon as Trump started tweeting about a 'perfect' call.
 
"Tell Vlad I'll be more flexible after the election."
What's great about that is that you're taking a huge leap in logic in assuming what that means.

It's a much bigger leap to assume that Obama may have been talking about any type of impropriety than it is to ascertain that Trump was implicitly asking for a quid pro quo.
 
I have no idea what I just read. It’s incomprehensible. Try dealing with reality and get back to me. The only thing I can get from what you wrote is, “everyone is corrupt and has been so since time began, but Trump is the only one who is being called on it.”

Is that what you’re trying to say?
"Tell Vlad I'll be more flexible after the election."
I see you’ve swallowed Trump’s ‘woe is me’ line of defense. We on the left realise he’s just a paranoid fool. Most criminals are.
 
Was that Lindsay Graham's opening statement? If he was/is being honest, I'm sure that it very well could have been.

The only farce in these hearings involve the fact that Graham, Jordan et al don't really care about anything said in these hearings. Their mind was made up as soon as Trump started tweeting about a 'perfect' call.
Alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella was Biden guest at State Department banquet

Dude was fired from the White House for leaking a false story that Trump fired Comey because Putin told him to. This guy equals the entire platform of the 2020 DNC. Lolz
 
What's great about that is that you're taking a huge leap in logic in assuming what that means.

It's a much bigger leap to assume that Obama may have been talking about any type of impropriety than it is to ascertain that Trump was implicitly asking for a quid pro quo.
The differences... 1) the vocabulary and 2) you like Obama. The transaction was the same.
 
Was that Lindsay Graham's opening statement? If he was/is being honest, I'm sure that it very well could have been.

The only farce in these hearings involve the fact that Graham, Jordan et al don't really care about anything said in these hearings. Their mind was made up as soon as Trump started tweeting about a 'perfect' call.
Alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella was Biden guest at State Department banquet

Dude was fired from the White House for leaking a false story that Trump fired Comey because Putin told him to. This guy equals the entire platform of the 2020 DNC. Lolz
It doesn’t matter one whit who the whistleblower was . It doesn’t matter if it was Joe Biden. It matters what he said. What he said has been proven true by multiple sources. Really. Stop posting and read up a little but so you can have a coherent argument.
 
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It doesn’t matter one whit who the whistleblower was . It doesn’t matter if it was Joe Biden. It matters what he said. What he said has been proven true by multiple sources. Really. Stop posting and read up a little but so you can have a coherent argument.
No it hasnt been proven true. Because you agree with the opinions of people who agree with the whistleblower's opinion of an event he didnt witness does not prove it to be true.
 
It doesn’t matter one whit who the whistleblower was . It doesn’t matter if it was Joe Biden. It matters what he said. What he said has been proven true by multiple sources. Really. Stop posting and read up a little but so you can have a coherent argument.
Hilz is channeling Jordan. Facts don't matter. Divert and discredit. Gaslight. Make shit up. That's the role.
 
Alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella was Biden guest at State Department banquet

Dude was fired from the White House for leaking a false story that Trump fired Comey because Putin told him to. This guy equals the entire platform of the 2020 DNC. Lolz
The whole defense of Trump and his mindless followers is 'tell us who the whistleblower is so we can discredit him'.

That said, their actual defense probably reads like a MadLibs book because it doesn't really matter who the whistleblower is:

<<<FILL IN THE BLANK WHISTLEBLOWER>>> is a deep state agent, presumably put in place by the Obama administration and is an Obama, Leftist loyalist.

<<<FILL IN THE BLANK WHISTLEBLOWER>>> may also have loose ties to Ukraine/Russia/other socialist/communist country (CIRCLE AT LEAST ONE) and is secretly trying to subvert Trump's 'Murica.
 
Prove it.
If Obama had said, "hey Vlad, can you see about digging up some dirt on Republicans so we can extradite them and you jail them", I wonder what your response would have been?
Trump never said dig up dirt either. The "dirt" was Biden's son working for a corrupt company overseas at a salary he wasn't qualified to make. Remember when Biden demanded the Ukraine fire the AG investigating that company? That dirt didn't need digging. What Trump was asking about was CrowdStrike and their cover-up of the DNC hack which exposed their collusion to deny Sanders the 2016 nomination.

He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

Most people who post at the cooler are unwilling to consider any alternative which doesn't include TRUMP BAD. That's attitude isn't confined to this forum. I predict the result will be 4 more years of Trump.
 
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Trump never said dig up dirt either. The "dirt" was Biden's son working for a corrupt company overseas at a salary he wasn't qualified to make. Remember when Biden demanded the Ukraine fire the AG investigating that company? That dirt didn't need digging. What Trump was asking about was CrowdStrike and their cover-up of the DNC hack which exposed their collusion to deny Sanders the 2016 nomination.

He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

Most people who post at the cooler are unwilling to consider any alternative which doesn't include TRUMP BAD. That's attitude isn't confined to this forum. I predict the result will be 4 more years of Trump.
You're immune to reality.
 
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Prove it.
If Obama had said, "hey Vlad, can you see about digging up some dirt on Republicans so we can extradite them and you jail them", I wonder what your response would have been?
Trump never said dig up dirt either. The "dirt" was Biden's son working for a corrupt company overseas at a salary he wasn't qualified to make. Remember when Biden demanded the Ukraine fire the AG investigating that company? That dirt didn't need digging. What Trump was asking about was CrowdStrike and their cover-up of the DNC hack which exposed their collusion to deny Sanders the 2016 nomination.

He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

Most people who post at the cooler are unwilling to consider any alternative which doesn't include TRUMP BAD. That's attitude isn't confined to this forum. I predict the result will be 4 more years of Trump.
What does it feel like to live in a bubble where you get absolutely no truth? Do you have any family or friends who can help?
 
Yep. Reading Hillz’s posts are like a case study in how right wing propaganda works. We have 10s of millions of people in our country that are completely disconnected from reality and are impervious to truth.
Same to you. Go Hoosiers!
 
Trump never said dig up dirt either. The "dirt" was Biden's son working for a corrupt company overseas at a salary he wasn't qualified to make. Remember when Biden demanded the Ukraine fire the AG investigating that company? That dirt didn't need digging. What Trump was asking about was CrowdStrike and their cover-up of the DNC hack which exposed their collusion to deny Sanders the 2016 nomination.

He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

Most people who post at the cooler are unwilling to consider any alternative which doesn't include TRUMP BAD. That's attitude isn't confined to this forum. I predict the result will be 4 more years of Trump.

I guess I don't read the right conspiracy theory websites. But I will point out the people that run those sites claim Crowdstrike is owned by a Ukranian when he is in fact Russian. If the owner is Russian, how the H E double hockey sticks does Ukraine become critical to this?

Biden did ask that the person that was supposed to be investigating the company be removed BECAUSE HE WASN"T INVESTIGATING ANYTHING. The Brits and the IMF wanted him fired.

I suppose on the conspiracy theory websites you have discovered that the Truthers were right and Biden was involved in bringing down the WTC?

How long after all this became known did Trump come up with the "it was to get Europe to kick in more" excuse? How many previous excuses had he offered at that point? And I suspect you believed each and every one of them?

What combat did you see in Jade Helm? I know all the conspiracy theorists into Crowdstrike certainly spent time on the front lines, I bet it was rough.
 
Trump never said dig up dirt either. The "dirt" was Biden's son working for a corrupt company overseas at a salary he wasn't qualified to make. Remember when Biden demanded the Ukraine fire the AG investigating that company? That dirt didn't need digging. What Trump was asking about was CrowdStrike and their cover-up of the DNC hack which exposed their collusion to deny Sanders the 2016 nomination.

He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

Most people who post at the cooler are unwilling to consider any alternative which doesn't include TRUMP BAD. That's attitude isn't confined to this forum. I predict the result will be 4 more years of Trump.

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You're immune to reality.

Yep. Reading Hillz’s posts are like a case study in how right wing propaganda works. We have 10s of millions of people in our country that are completely disconnected from reality and are impervious to truth.
And that’s what Fox News has done to this country. Brain washed millions of people to count on them to get the “real facts.” These people have lost the ability to think logically.
 
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Yep. Reading Hillz’s posts are like a case study in how right wing propaganda works. We have 10s of millions of people in our country that are completely disconnected from reality and are impervious to truth.

What % of these people were driven crazy by the fact we had a black man with a funny name as our POTUS for 8 years?
 
I wouldn’t know. I get my news sources from a variety of places. I actually watched today. I know the difference between fact and fiction. Sadly, you do not.
The places which feed you your newz all say the same thing tho right? So in truth I am getting the bigger variety of stories than you wouldn't you agree?
 
He says the delay was to pressure the rest of NATO to kick in their share of AID to Ukraine, which make logical sense to anyone who pays attention to Trump's MO wrt NATO.

So are you saying that because of withholding this aid Trump secured additional aid for Ukraine from the rest of NATO and that it didn't have anything to do with investigating Hunter Biden like testimony has said? If so, can you link something that shows this increase in aid that the President obtained, which led to him releasing U.S. funds?
 
Trump is scum, dangerous, and probably should be impeached for non stop obstruction in blocking testimony here and in the Russia thing.

that said, the fact that Biden IS corrupt as hell, and WAS corrupt as hell in Ukraine dealings, as well as with China, will always give Trump deniability that this was about Biden rather than about corruption.

even though it was about Biden, and everybody on both sides knows it, the fact that the blatant corruption was there will always give Trump a safe landing place, both in the impeachment thing, and with his cult..

the really sad thing is watching all the Pubs protect Trump, and all the Dems protect Biden.

when everything is about party, and only about party, and nothing is about right and wrong, that's the real problem here, and no one is even remotely about to address the real problem.
 
So are you saying that because of withholding this aid Trump secured additional aid for Ukraine from the rest of NATO and that it didn't have anything to do with investigating Hunter Biden like testimony has said? If so, can you link something that shows this increase in aid that the President obtained, which led to him releasing U.S. funds?
I am just reporting what Trump said. You'll have to google it.
 
Google it.
You are promoting conspiracy theories that have been debunked.

First you are saying that Viktor Shokin was fired because he was investigating Burisma. Here is info on Shokin you would know if you followed the news:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

The crowdstrike BS has been debunked over and over:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_related_to_the_Trump–Ukraine_scandal

European countries have given twice as much aid to the Ukraine then the US over the last several years:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/not-c...itary-and-development-assistance-ukraine-2014

I can provide more links on these topics if you find google are to navigate. I am more then happy to read links that you have refuting these stories, I have googled it an d haven't found much outside of Brietbart, The Daily Caller or infowars.

I will read any links you have and i will provide more on the stories above if you would like.

You seem quite confident in your information so I assume providing links will not be a problem.
 
Trump is scum, dangerous, and probably should be impeached for non stop obstruction in blocking testimony here and in the Russia thing.

that said, the fact that Biden IS corrupt as hell, and WAS corrupt as hell in Ukraine dealings, as well as with China, will always give Trump deniability that this was about Biden rather than about corruption.

even though it was about Biden, and everybody on both sides knows it, the fact that the blatant corruption was there will always give Trump a safe landing place, both in the impeachment thing, and with his cult..

the really sad thing is watching all the Pubs protect Trump, and all the Dems protect Biden.

when everything is about party, and only about party, and nothing is about right and wrong, that's the real problem here, and no one is even remotely about to address the real problem.
I'm tirrd of the clown show. I disagree that Trump has obstructed, but none of them are worth a damn. I just marvel at the leftists here who swallow what they're being sold whole cloth with no regard for any outside perspective. Lock. Step.
 
I wouldn’t know. I get my news sources from a variety of places. I actually watched today. I know the difference between fact and fiction. Sadly, you do not.
The places which feed you your newz all say the same thing tho right? So in truth I am getting the bigger variety of stories than you wouldn't you agree?
Um no that’s kind of the point. Not only do I watch Fox, I check out Breitbart, Drudge, NPR, Independent, international news, WSJ, etc. I also listen to podcasts and read political books from both sides.,,,Your Fox News isn’t really helping you out much.
 
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