IMO, Kiss college football fall season goodbye.
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? No it hasn't? It's done terribly there, Africa especially, the entire continent. Look at South America, they had very little transmission in February & March, but now--here it comes(this is Autumn there now, of course) . Australia, New Zealand...nada much. & exhibit A is India: that is a veritable petri dish of potential viral spread. They have millions packed in like sardines in their cities, yet they have a microscopic infection rate, AND death rate. Look, we'll see. I don't think it's going to disappear, like the Flu basically does in the summer, but I do think it will fade somewhat. The experts do too--that's why they keep talking about this "2nd wave" in the fall, although they haven't said a word about the "1st wave" leaving to begin with, but they do expect this virus to struggle to some degree in summertime(I think it's already slowing down a bit, tbh)they just won't say so because they don't say anything unless they know for 100% certain because that's just how the experts are, & this is a novel coronavirus that they haven't yet studied in summer time in North America.
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Says the guy named benchwarmer about somebody who went from assistant promotion director of the KC Royals to earning $85 million a year and a net worth in the high nine figures in 30 years! He can’t count? Really!
Here are some good stats. I particularly look at the deaths per million to see how it affects countries. I don't see a lot of African or South American (besides Brazil) countries that are that high.
Personally, I question the actual counts in these countries. I don't think it's consistent at all.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Careful, Hickory. You're going after one of the heroes to a bunch of angry old men.
Just heard NCAA president Emmert on CNN. Some basics: No Sports, without students on campus, not going to put athletes at greater risk than normal students. They don't expect all schools to start at the same time, will not be "normal" by any means, but working with experts (Docs and Scientists) to figure out a way to make it happen. If sports do occur, they know they'll have athlete/coaches get the virus, so developing a plan to deal with that when it (not if) happens.
Basically, said all of the common sense things, will see how it all plays out.
Basically, said all of the common sense things, will see how it all plays out.
And how much schools will listen to the ncaa or say F off. German soccer starts tomorrow. If a player tests positive they will take him out and isolate him but not the entire team.
Different standards (and there should be different standards) for professional athletes as opposed to 19-year old kids living in petri dishes (i.e. dorms).
P.S. Germany appears to be the gold standard for how the virus has been managed.
I completely agree. The point I wanted to make is that sports are feasible if when one player gets it you isolate him and continue on. If an entire team has to be quarantined it’s not feasible. Bc players will get it. I didn’t mean to opine as to whether playing is inappropriate or not.
The reason Germany has done so well is because Angela Merkel is trained and worked as a research scientist before she went into politics. So when she spoke to her people as a leader and scientist, they cooperated in their shut down and social distancing efforts. t
Been trying to read articles from other countries about the virus and found this one from Germany.I
https://www.bihealth.org/en/notices/what-cells-does-the-novel-coronavirus-attack/
I agree that the season is in jeopardy. This lockdown has gone off the rails.
Yes, and they've earned extremely high marks for testing. First, they developed the world's first diagnostic test which was quickly shared with many countries. We took a pass, though, which proved to be a disastrous decision as our first CDC test was flawed due to contamination issues. As a result, we lost critical weeks in testing.
Germany was able to quickly ramp up testing so they had an early grasp on how and where the virus was spreading. They shut down public life in time to avoid the devastating rush on hospitals and medical resources that many other countries experienced.
Germany's deaths/100k population is 9.51 compared to our 26.26. Nice job Angela et al.
The epoch times reported today that states that are open are dropping in numbers while states that are closed are climbing. Lets play ball. If you wanna go to the games GO. If you wanna stay home, stay home. Let people make up their own minds and accept whatever consequences. Im going to the game!
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How about you go to the game but you can't go to the hospital?
SEC Football is already going to play..... there will be football. It just might not be fans
You couldn't pay me to go to the hospital after this bullsh!t. I'll be at the game you continue to do what you wanna do.
Another big part of why Germany has done well is they are a regimented society that has little problem with a fascist actions by the gov't. People have lived with Hitler or Communist East Germany inculcating their kids with obeying a strong central gov't. Look at the countries around the world doing well and they are regimented societies while democratic societies built upon individual liberties have struggled.
There are many factors that go into the spread of this virus and not one factor that explains all of the issues.
With all due respect, that analysis is utterly ridiculous. They embrace individual liberties and human rights (and have for a long time) and they're a full democracy.
They've done well because they didn't lose several weeks like we did with a testing fiasco. They were all over this with extensive testing from the get-go.
They may be a regimented society, but i can assure you they have a very big problem with fascism. They are more of a socialist society, but they are very protective of their freedoms.
The Germans are much more homogenous society than we are. Although they are more diverse than in the past, they are still much more homogenous than the US. If you look at the countries that are doing well, the more homogenous countries are the ones doing better.
Take out 3 states, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut, and the US death numbers are cut in half. And let's not even consider the overcount of deaths attibuted to Covid-19.
The US, as a large and diverse society, is not doing that badly, despite the propaganda.
I don't even know where to begin with this. I'm going to avoid responding to the "homogenous" countries theory because I think it speaks for itself. Wow.
Yeah, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut took a terrible hit. But what sense whatsoever does it make to, as you suggest, "take them out" of the equation? Last I checked, they're part of the United States. Was Hurricane Katrina no big deal because it primarily affected only a couple of Gulf coast states? Maybe Pearl Harbor was overhyped because, after all, it was only Hawaii.
NY, NJ and CT got pummeled because the virus came in on literally hundreds of flights from Europe that landed at JFK. We limited travel from Europe way too late. The virus was able to spread like wildfire because of the dense population of the tri-state area and the crowded public transportation system which is the primary mode of transportation for New Yorkers, and also serves thousands of New Jersey and Connecticut commuters every day.
Europe through New York, not China through California, was likely the primary catalyst for coronavirus transmission in the United States,
Because of the testing debacle in February that spilled into March, we lost weeks in developing a clear understanding of how and where the virus was spreading. That, in turn, certainly contributed to our staggering death toll. That's not propaganda - - it's reality.
No, it's your standard talking points.
Did we shut down the country for Katrina? Did we shut down the country for Pearl Harbor?
Not really worth spending time arguing with you because it all goes over your head anyway.
Why can't you go to the hospital? Only a select few hospitals were overcrowded during this entire event. Heck in NYC, 30 different hospitals closed due to lack of patients and it was like that all over the country. Sure the media seasonalized the overcrowding of some hospitals there, as well as used footage from Italy to dupe people into thinking all hospitals were overran and the system was about to crash, but those were lies. In Indiana only Community North and Methodist hospitals in Indiana were close to capacity, but that was by design because that's where people with infectious diseases normally go. 98% of hospitals in Indiana have laid off nurses and doctors because of no work. Don't buy into the hype that the medical system was on the bring of disaster, it wasn't even close to that. For the system to really collapse, multiple millions (like 200 million or roughly 30% of the entire country's population would need to get deathly ill all at once) would need to get sick at one time. To date only .004% of the entire Nation's population has tested positive for the virus.
Wow... the US population more than doubled since last year?
And it's 0.4%.... or .004. Not .004%
There are roughly 1m hospital beds in the entire country. About 10% those beds are ICU beds.
Population is 325m. I suggest you break your abacus back out and try again.
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Nice straw man argument.
The population of New York isn't the only thing that's dense.
Have a great week.
I love how people ignore what is said and project their own feelings into post. My point was we can't look at one factor and think that was the answer because our two societies are different. I am not saying Germany is ready to endorse Nazism in fact I think they limit speech too much to stop any efforts for Nazis to gain support. However, if you think the generation, of that time, doesn't still influence society then we need to stop the racism call in this country as no one is still alive from the Civil War - that is a ridiculous position just as no one alive from WWII is a ridiculous position; there is a legacy in society that last for many years.
Too many try to reduce this virus and actions by societies down to one point that works well as a talking point. Life is much more complicated than that but the twitter world has reduce real discussions to a limited number of characters in a post.
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Not trying to argue with you, but there are more self-proclaimed Nazis in the US than in Germany.
Was Katrina a national event? Nooooo . . . .
Regarding Pearl Harbor, in fact we did "shut down the country". We mobilized everything and dedicated it to the war effort . . . .
You're right when you said it's not worth time arguing with you . . . it's waaaay over your head.
Um..... that was my point. Half of the deaths in the US are in one region. I really didn't think I'd have to explain it. I've noticed I have to do that a lot to Columbus-educated posters.
Whoooooooshhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think constitutes the southeast? Georgia and Florida pull everybody else along down here . . . including North Carolina . . .
. . . Georgia has about the same population as North Carolina, and has 1,642 coronavirus deaths . . . and 38,081 confirmed cases . . . similar to Indiana's 1,607 and 27,778. Florida has 1,973 and 45,588 . . . .
And those states have much larger populations than Indiana. Hardly apples to apples comparison.
North Carolina has an extremeley low death rate - around 500+ - compared to Indiana. and has around 3-4 million more people. South Carolina number of deaths is even lower.
I don't pay much attention to confirmed cases, because so many people have not been tested. Also, they're counting unconfirmed cases in the number of deaths.
Your analogy is inaccurate because the USA didn't shut down the economy but in fact boosted the economy with war effort. There was a shortage of workers due to so many in the military and the need to produce war products; the only thing suppressed were consumer products.
We have not seen our society shutdown to this extent since the Great Depression and life was miserable for millions of Americans. If this shutdown continues we will see similar conditions to the unemployment and lack of consumer products we saw during the depression.
You said that North Carolina's experience was the same throughout the southeast. I simply provided stats to prove you wrong.
Whether or not those states are of comparable size to Indiana is irrelevant . . . your statement about the southeast was and is factually incorrect.
That's a good point, to a point, but the fact is that the WWII economy didn't support the general population with its growth . . . all of the output went to the war effort. Meat was in more short supply for the entire war period than it is now. Other foods were scarce too, which is why most people grew the food they ate.
What's happening now only demonstrates two things: (1) Americans today are selfish to an extreme unheard of in the 1940s, and (2) Americans today are not tough. We like to walk around with our chests puffed out like bantam roosters, but in the scheme of things we're pansies compared to the men and women who lived, worked and fought during WWII.
Based on your numbers and the population, it looks like Georgia is the outlier.
I'm not wrong, based on the aggregate numbers of all the southeastern states.
Move those goal posts, DANC. That way you never have to take responsibility for being wrong . . . and you can keep your delusions about yourself.
For the record, outlier or not, Georgia is in the southeast . . . an inconvenient truth for you . . . .
Bad comparison. Rationing was implemented for almost everything during WWII. I believe the military is made up of American citizens and they had to be fed and clothed, too. Without a booming economy, we could never have produced the material that helped win WWI
Just because items were in short supply and rationed doesn't mean the economy wasn't growing - it certainly was. Or maybe you resent women being able to enter the workforce on a more equal basis?
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